I'm a super-picky quasi-vegetarian. I eat veggies because they cost less and are easier for me to prepare, but I don't turn away all meat if someone else makes it for me. The few times I've tried to be a vegetarian purposefully have all turned into eating disorder-like obsessions. It is better for me to remember that I'm too poor to buy meat or eat out often (which is when I get meat), and concentrate on delicious vegetables made at home. It gives me some leeway, too, that the vegetarians I know don't have--I can only object to restaraunt choices because the menu is unappealing, not because they literally have no food I can eat.
I guess this post helped me to understand why some vegetarians find it difficult not to eat meat and stay vegetarian. I never really understood it before, to be honest.
I'm 23, and I've been fully vegetarian for 8 years, and in the few years before that I only ever ate meat to be polite at friends' houses and such, I never ate it at home. My parents both eat meat, but from an early age I never liked it so eventually they just stopped giving it to me.
I'm also ethically against eating meat, as well as just not liking it, but I think in my case the two are linked; my primary school faced out onto the back entrance to a slaughterhouse, so at break and lunchtime, we could watch all the cute animals going in the back on trailers. In addition, my Mum worked there, and one of her friends there gave me a lovely tour one day, so I knew that all the cute animals going in were going to be hanging carcasses by the end of the day.
I daresay that's probably where my vegetarianism comes from, but anyway, for ethical and "just not liking it" reasons, I never even contemplate eating meat, let alone miss it. So it always made me wonder why people who didn't feel the same as me bothered. Not in a judgemental way, just in a curious way. And now I understand a bit more.
One of my former places of employ kept a saltwater tank with several cleaner shrimp. I always enjoyed putting my hands in the water and letting them clean out beneath my nails.
Colonics are "gross." Highlighted hair is "unnecessary." These adjectives are not good reasons to suck down legislators' time with weird statutes banning colonics and highlights. I don't understand how anyone can get that het up about fish pedicures.
I was a pescatarian for probably 10 years and I recently expanded my food choices for a variety of reasons. It was never a major thing for me because I've never seen meat as very exciting. My choice really had more to do with a rejection of "beef eating is American" than anything else. Some people seem to think it is anti-american to not eat meat. I think that's a symbol of our very gluttonous culture (which I was also rejecting).
But put in context of emotional attachment, I can see why people are so shocked by those who don't eat meat. Food and emotions are quite mixed up - it just so happens that my emotional attachments had more to do with a mix of pasta, cream cheese, and butter.
My boyfriend and I are vegetarians. At home, it's not too hard, because we have food available. But when we go out to dinner, it can be really tempting to just go with the path of least resistance and order something with meat in it. I've found there are not a lot of options out there...
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@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: Ask the chef what they will do for you, what options they offer for veg*ns. I get amazing (and usually quite simple) meals that are not on the menu all the time just by asking. Sometimes they just send out pasta with marinara, but other times- like the other night- I get a meal everyone else envies. (They served me polenta with lightly braised mushrooms, perfectly cooked spinach and a fresh romescu sauce, all vegan.) Of course it depends on the restaurant- you're SOL at any chain, basically- but a good cook or chef will often have a dish they usually make for veg*ns or will have a little fun with it.
I'm really suprised so many of these comments are so negative - I really want to get a fish pedicure .... if I had a spare $50 and the means to get out to the place in VA that does it.
@sampagita: Ha ha, that is pretty funny. I know someone who actually uses a ped-egg to grate parmesan cheese nice and fine.
I have a "Revlon" brand ped-egg knock off that I bought at Bed Bath and Beyond. It actually works better than my brand name ped-egg. (Yes, I have more than one.)
My friends and family think they are all disgusting, but I'll tell you what - some Flexitol cream (or the Target brand equivelant) overnight for a couple days under socks and a good warm soak and I was able to take off all the horrible old cracked skin in one day with a ped-egg that I had been always in the past been unable to get rid of over several weeks. Gross it may be, but I now have lovely heels I am not embarassed of! (Which I have never had, it seems to be the way I walk.)
@applejuice: Oh, not knocking the ped egg - I also have rough heels. That's hilarious that someone actually does use it for cheese though! Because I think the foot shavings do look exactly like parmesan.
@applejuice: My husband bought me one of those so he could use it on my gross feet as part of his "4 step process." He calls it the grater and when he's done, he's covered with disgusting skin shavings but if he's not, he doesn't consider it a job well done. I haven't paid for a pedicure in years thanks to him.
Even though it's my own dead skin it still grosses me out way more than him.
@artyfarty: Try it with using the Flexitol for a night or two first. I have tried it with and without and it totally works soooooo much better with the Flexitol! Seriously, flexitol overnight for a couple nights and then a soak and you won't believe it!
@sampagita: They so do (look like cheese). My sister and I were amazed when it actually looks like the stuff the lady dumps out in the ad! And I always want to show someone else! It is this overwhelming urge. Invariabley they are totally disgusted and tell me to go away. (I need to learn to control the urge!)
Why pay for it? Just go to a freshwater lake with sunfish and those babies will munch away for free. I never called it a pedicure, I called it "summertime at the cabin."
@Devonna: But then you have to take the fish out to dinner, they expect you to make conversation and then call them. Sometimes it's just easier to pay for it.
When are women going to learn to stop using parasites for beauty rituals? Leeches, tapeworms, fish pedicures - seriously, when does gross trump pretty?
@rixatrix: I would put "removal of already-dead skin" in a different category than "blood loss" and "intestinal parasites". I don't really think this is that gross, I think it's sort of neat -- fish get a snack, I get happier feet. Why does it automatically have to be about pretty?
@cate3710: Demi Moore has said she uses leeches as part of her beauty regime. For what, I don't care to find out.
@Sadako: There are ads from the early 1900s that encouraged women to buy tapeworms as a way to keep their girlish figures. At the very least, they were being SOLD, but who knows if they were very popular.
@dissolver: What is a pumice stone for if not for that very thing? Parasites are parasites; gross is gross. Also, how are your feet "happier" when you have dead skin taken away? As far as I know, it is about the aesthetics of feet - how pretty they look, how smooth they feel. I can't imagine letting something feed off me to get results I could get from a $5 drugstore callus shaver and a bottle of lotion.
I was raised vegetarian for awhile and both my parents were veg 25 years plus... I am now an omnivore, and my challenges with vegetarianism at this point in my life are kind of like Foers, in that they are not exclusively practical, but have an emotional component as well.
I travel a lot, and have lived in several different countries long term. Often, I have lived with other people, and in places where vegetarianism is really rare. In my mind, if I am going to take full advantage of living in another culture, I need to be a person who says "yes" to the experiences offered to me, and food is part of that experience. I try to be a go-with-the flow type in every other way, I don't think demanding that others meet my dietary needs (that aren't really NEEDS but preferences) goes with this. It may also be that I fear being seen as rude, and I think to a lot of people rejecting food is not taken as well as say, in the States where everyone has a diet of some type. So, for better or worse, I can't be vegetarian because I need to be able to choke down some guinea pig or intestines when these times roll around.
@LaFemme: The fear of being seen as rude is the biggest problem I have being a vegetarian. I haven't traveled a lot, but I like to try new restaurants and be friends with people from different backgrounds. Sometimes I find myself explaining what a vegetarian is to people who look at me like I'm a crazy person, and I feel like such a jerk. I can't bring myself to go against my beliefs though (not to mention I'd get sick if I ate meat now, having been a vegetarian for over a decade). It feels like a need and not a preference to me though. I wonder how people with other food beliefs feel when traveling, for example, Muslim and Jewish people?
@tundrababe: I've had a few friends go back to eating meat after decade or more of vegetarianism and none of them got sick. I know each person is unique in this regard, but just wanted to pass along some information that not everybody gets sick when they start eating meat again.
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I'm 23, and I've been fully vegetarian for 8 years, and in the few years before that I only ever ate meat to be polite at friends' houses and such, I never ate it at home. My parents both eat meat, but from an early age I never liked it so eventually they just stopped giving it to me.
I'm also ethically against eating meat, as well as just not liking it, but I think in my case the two are linked; my primary school faced out onto the back entrance to a slaughterhouse, so at break and lunchtime, we could watch all the cute animals going in the back on trailers. In addition, my Mum worked there, and one of her friends there gave me a lovely tour one day, so I knew that all the cute animals going in were going to be hanging carcasses by the end of the day.
I daresay that's probably where my vegetarianism comes from, but anyway, for ethical and "just not liking it" reasons, I never even contemplate eating meat, let alone miss it. So it always made me wonder why people who didn't feel the same as me bothered. Not in a judgemental way, just in a curious way. And now I understand a bit more.
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Colonics are "gross." Highlighted hair is "unnecessary." These adjectives are not good reasons to suck down legislators' time with weird statutes banning colonics and highlights. I don't understand how anyone can get that het up about fish pedicures.
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But put in context of emotional attachment, I can see why people are so shocked by those who don't eat meat. Food and emotions are quite mixed up - it just so happens that my emotional attachments had more to do with a mix of pasta, cream cheese, and butter.
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I have a "Revlon" brand ped-egg knock off that I bought at Bed Bath and Beyond. It actually works better than my brand name ped-egg. (Yes, I have more than one.)
My friends and family think they are all disgusting, but I'll tell you what - some Flexitol cream (or the Target brand equivelant) overnight for a couple days under socks and a good warm soak and I was able to take off all the horrible old cracked skin in one day with a ped-egg that I had been always in the past been unable to get rid of over several weeks. Gross it may be, but I now have lovely heels I am not embarassed of! (Which I have never had, it seems to be the way I walk.)
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Even though it's my own dead skin it still grosses me out way more than him.
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I'm gonna go with "never", as long as people are willing to pay.
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@Sadako: There are ads from the early 1900s that encouraged women to buy tapeworms as a way to keep their girlish figures. At the very least, they were being SOLD, but who knows if they were very popular.
@dissolver: What is a pumice stone for if not for that very thing? Parasites are parasites; gross is gross. Also, how are your feet "happier" when you have dead skin taken away? As far as I know, it is about the aesthetics of feet - how pretty they look, how smooth they feel. I can't imagine letting something feed off me to get results I could get from a $5 drugstore callus shaver and a bottle of lotion.
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I travel a lot, and have lived in several different countries long term. Often, I have lived with other people, and in places where vegetarianism is really rare. In my mind, if I am going to take full advantage of living in another culture, I need to be a person who says "yes" to the experiences offered to me, and food is part of that experience. I try to be a go-with-the flow type in every other way, I don't think demanding that others meet my dietary needs (that aren't really NEEDS but preferences) goes with this. It may also be that I fear being seen as rude, and I think to a lot of people rejecting food is not taken as well as say, in the States where everyone has a diet of some type. So, for better or worse, I can't be vegetarian because I need to be able to choke down some guinea pig or intestines when these times roll around.
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