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    12/15/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    It's a horrendous mess, and I, like most everyone else here, am conflicted about the legal and ethical issues being raised. I am certain about one thing - what the Bakers did to the Kehoes - letting them take the twins home only to reclaim them a month later because they supposedly fear what Ms. Kehoe's mental state MIGHT someday be? Reprehensible.

    The Kehoes may not have physically experienced the pregnancy like Laschell Baker did, but mentally, emotionally, they shared the excitements and the anxieties. When the twins were born, and then they brought them home, their dream of being parents was finally realized. It was cruelly taken away from them because someone else decided that they were unfit to raise the children that would not exist were it not for them based on what? A mental disorder that's been controlled for the past eight years?

    I am adopted, and so is my little brother; we have no genetic ties to our parents, or to each other. I realise that adoption is a separate issue from surrogacy, but some of the same ethical and moral questions arise.

    For example, the discussions here about how the Kehoes and other hope-to-be parents essentially "bought" their children. In the end, does it really matter? Are they really any less of a family? Are their relationships less genuine or loving?

    Assuming that other methods were not successful in providing the couple with children, they chose surrogacy. Maybe it was the only option left to them. If anything, it shows that the Kehoes are dedicated to having children, and have gone through a lot to be parents. Speaking from my own experience, knowing that my parents went through so much to bring our family together has always made me feel special, and reminded me that I'm loved and wanted.

    Biological bonds, mother-child, are something I don't know about so I can't speak to Ms. Baker's side in all of this, but I do know that it's possible to grow up happy and healthy without them. Family doesn't need to be about genetics. Family is what you make it. These twins need to be with the people who will provide them with the love and support they deserve. It's ridiculous that the people who claim to have their best interests at heart are the ones creating the discord and conflict. For their sake I hope this is settled - permanently and peacefully - soon.
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    12/15/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    I'm really annoyed that Baker's entire argument is based on Amy Kehoe's schizophrenia and how Baker thinks it may affect her ability to care for the twins. What about Scott Kehoe? Does he not factor into the family's care and welfare at all?

    Oh right, only women raise children. He probably just sits on the couch and drinks beer and doesn't care about his kids or his wife's mental health. Clearly, the Kehoe's extraordinary efforts to have children indicate he has absolutely no interest in participating in their upbringing.
    /sarcasm
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    It sounds to me that at least part of the problem for Baker was that the Kehoes chose not to disclose the information about Mrs. Kehoe's mental illness and drug addiction up front. Baker may be prejudiced against people with a history of mental health issues. But a surrogate is not performing some required public service. Potential surrogates reject potential adoptive parents for a variety of reasons you or I might consider unfair. Some surrogates won't work with single parents. Some make decisions based on age. Some won't work with gay couples. Those are all prejudices with which I don't agree. But no surrogate should be compelled to carry a child for an individual or couple unless she wants to. And she can choose not to for whatever reason.

    Baker says if she'd known about Mrs. Kehoe's history beforehand she wouldn't have agreed to surrogacy. So from a contractual standpoint (if surrogate contracts were enforceable in Michigan) you might have a problem of misrepresentation. And from just a human standpoint, I'm uncomfortable with setting a precedent that surrogates must hand the children over to the contracting parents no matter what.

    I feel terrible for the Kehoes. And I really respect them for their decision to move on -- it's probably what's best for the children at this point, and that's a noble act. But I don't necessarily see Baker as a villain here. She was expected to hand off children she'd carried to term, children she'd nourished and cared for, even though she felt betrayed by the people to whom she was expected to give those children. I might disagree with her reasons for rejecting the Kehoes as parents, but I just can't imagine forcing her to pass of the kids if she wouldn't have agreed to surrogacy with them in the first place, knowing what she knows now.
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    12/15/09

    @emfish55: But they're not her kids. If they're genetically not yours, why do you have any more right to them than any random person? like the doctor who helped implant the embryos or helped deliver them? It just seems arbitrary to say that the surrogate (if they aren't related to the baby) should have any claim. It makes me more uncomfortable to think that the surrogate should ever have the option of holding on to them just because she gestated them.
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    12/15/09

    @Sadako: I think carrying and giving birth to the children gives Baker more of a right to them than "any random person", including the doctor who delivered them. And the rights the surrogate has with respect to the babies aren't arbitrary. They are based on the fact that the surrogate actually gives life to the baby. But for the surrogate, the child would not exist. That's not arbitrary. It's also why surrogacy contracts can become very messy. For instance, if early tests revealed that a child carried by a surrogate had down syndrome, could the adoptive parents force the surrogate to abort the baby? Absolutely not. The surrogates involvement isn't minor and it isn't arbitrary. It's essential and central.

    I'm not saying what Baker did was right. But in my mind, there is little difference between forcing Baker to give the children to the Kehoes after finding out things that would have prevented her from surrogating at all, and forcing her to be a surrogate. Baker became a surrogate under false pretenses. That, to me, makes it unclear whether the twins "belong" to the Kehoes or Baker.
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    Edited by emfish55 at 12/15/09 9:49 AM emfish55 was starred emfish55 was unstarred
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    12/15/09

    @emfish55: If not for her they could have given them to any other woman with a uterus to gestate. There's nothing special about what Baker did. She carried them but they're not hers. If they were hers genetically I'd feel differently, but tehy're not.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    I wasn't going to get into this-I have ART in my future & belong to the board the baby-stealer posts on but the adoption comments get me every damn time. Why don't we adopt? Do you ask women who have babies why THEY didn't adopt instead? If there's a reason why *we* should adopt, it must be a reason why every single person should adopt, otherwise you discriminate against the infertile. And I wouldn't wish infertility on my worst enemy.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    How awful for the Kehoes. I suffer from depression and anxiety, but it's been under control for years. I can't imagine someone saying, "Oh, you are an unfit mother, sorry!"

    "What if she doesn't take her medication" is such a cop-out. If Mrs. Kehoe developed a mental illness ten years down the road, would the surrogate take them back? I can't believe Michigan doesn't have laws pertaining to this eventuality.
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    12/14/09

    @Ultraprison!: Schizophrenia is a different story though, and while Baker doesn't have the right to make that call, the fact that the Kehoes didn't go the adoption route makes me think that someone else did. I don't take it at face value that anyone is taking their medication as faithfully as they claim they are. Depending on the degree of the disease, she really could be a threat to her kids. In general terms, I think it's reductive to be automatically sympathetic because of the "mental illness stigma."
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    12/14/09

    @voteforme: I automatically have empathy because something very similar happened to me only - it was MY BABY. But my parents forced me to give him away, despite the fact that my mother raised me (albeit very poorly) with bipolar disorder. I was young and they were able to economically depress me and pressure me, they even got to my doctors and had them pressuring me WHILE I WAS IN LABOR.

    And I DO think we should take people at face value when they say they're taking their meds - I DO. I take mine, right? And yet people always say, "oh well I can't take it at face value..." Even when I'm more stable than most of my friends without mental illnesses because I have to be so super careful about what I eat, how much I sleep, etc. that I can't just go off the deep end like them.

    The kicker to my story is that the woman my mother hand-picked for my son ended up being bipolar as hell, doesn't take her meds, and my mother is constantly complaining to me about how irrational and irratic she is.

    So I don't know why you put "mental illness stigma" in quotes as if it never happens, or as if it's a problem that is somehow blown out of proportion. She said she didn't give the baby to them because of the wife's mental disorder. Period. It doesn't get more cut and dried than that.
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    12/14/09

    @hollymar: I meant that some commenters are noting the mental health stigma as the reason behind all of this. Just because there's a stigma doesn't negate the reality that schizophrenia can severely limit one's ability to care for a child. It's a valid concern, although as I said, it's not up to Baker to determine how bad Mrs. Kenoe's disease is.
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    12/14/09

    @voteforme: Schizophrenia can severely limit one's ability to care for a child. But so can a million other things I could name off the top of my head, some of them ARE the person's fault (like drug addiction), and some are not.

    Okay, look at it like this: Schizophrenia is not a woman's fault. Nor is being in an abusive relationship. Yet there are certain states where having been to the hospital for domestic violence or rape can render you uninsurable, due to a pre-existing condition. Sure, you're more at risk for needing health insurance if you've had an abusive partner, or you're a rape victim. Does that mean you shouldn't get health insurance? Likewise, just because you HAVEN'T been in the hospital for domestic abuse or rape doesn't mean you won't ever be. Just because you HAVEN'T been hospitalized for a mental illness doesn't mean you won't ever be.

    I view them as the same thing.

    I also highly doubt her husband would have thought having a baby would be a good idea if she was on and off her meds.
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    Ultraprison! promoted this comment hollymar was starred hollymar was unstarred
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    12/14/09

    @voteforme: I'm not being reductive or sympathetic because of a perceived stigma, I'm sympathetic because of people just like you, who say "Well we can't trust her, she could be a threat, why didn't she just adopt."

    Maybe she didn't want to adopt - she wanted an infant from birth without the hassle of domestic adoption? I don't think two adults would pour hundreds of thousands of dollars into this process (and before that, probably lots of IVF and other fertility drugs) if they doubted the wife's ability to care for her children.

    And furthermore, there was a home check made by the government, and they passed. Does the surrogate really think she knows better? She way overstepped her bounds.
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    12/15/09

    @voteforme: No, it's not. She has been medication- compliant for eight years and has a ltter from her doctor. Something tells me hir is a better judge than Ms. Baker. It is a valid concern, and many of those with schizophrenia do have trouble being compliant with treatment. However, Ms. Kehoe does not seem to have that trouble, or the doctor would never have written her a letter. If she were non-compliant, this would be a completely different issue.
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    12/15/09

    @JessIsElf-ity: I also find it really interesting that all this handringing over the mother's "fitness to parent" in light of her mental illness seems to completely ignore the fact that she has a partner who, presumably, will be there to a) parent the children as well, and b) notice if she does go off her medication. I mean, the two of them both very clearly want these babies, they're both going to parent them... This just seems to have the "mother=parent, father=babysitter" mindset all over it. I wonder if the surrogate's case would seem as "valid" if it was the father with the mental illness.
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    12/15/09

    @voteforme: Maybe they wanted a baby, though. It is incredibly difficult to adopt an infant, and if they wanted a child from birth then they may have discared adoption as a choice. We dont' have any proof that they were turned down previously.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    This sentence absolutely kills me: "Not making judgement I'm glad she is working on changing her life, however I did not want to release the babies in their forever care and never know if something ever went wrong."

    First of all (to me), saying that someone is "working on changing their life" implies that the things that are wrong are that person's fault. Also, her doctor has given a written statement saying that she is fit to parent. So I would say that she has already put a lot of work into changing her life. Also, yes, you are judging. You really, really are.
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    Edited by Annabellie at 12/14/09 7:46 PM Annabellie was starred Annabellie was unstarred
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    12/14/09

    @Annabellie: She's pulling a Sarah Palin: she's calling a duck a goose and hoping no one notices because it's all the same anyways, right? Wrong: it seems clear that Ms. Kehoe has already changed her life. Ms. Baker is purposely painting it as if this is a process that is just beginning and she's blatantly ignoring the fact that Ms. Kehoe has been symptom-free for 8 years. Also, her specific language ("working on changing her life") lightly but effectively implies that being schizophrenic is something that Ms. Kehoe should be able to help.

    I've never had a baby so I can't pretend to understand Ms. Baker's hormonal/emotional/physical attachment to those twins so I won't pass comment about her decision to take the twins back. However, I find her use of false justifications infuriating. I would respect her statement more if she had just said: "look, judge me if you want but I really felt like this was the right thing to do and I know in my heart that I made the right decision". I think her need to justify her actions belies the fact that she is probably not sure that she did the right thing.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    What about the bonding between parents and children?

    These children are probably bonding with the parents, and then they're yanked away. I mean, children imprint on the parents. And then when they go to the surrogates....it can't be good.

    And, besides, what is this woman thinking - she might not take her medication? Like, what? This woman wouldn't have other people to help out if something happens?

    And WHAT mental illness does she have that she may not take her medication?
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    12/14/09

    @GGobsessed: According to the woman's husband, paranoid schizophrenia. And as we've seen tragically, not all women have support systems at home when they're having a mental health crisis. See also Andrea Yates.
    It might not be fair, but I would probably have some concerns about handing over babies to a woman with a serious mental illness too. What's probably unspoken is that surrogates can really bond with the babies. It's possible the surrogate started out looking for a reason to renege.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    I'm sorry, but you can't legally or ethically determine the outcome of someone else's pregnancy. The reason why surrogacy is a gray area is because it rests on deciding what happens to the contents of someone else's uterus. On a personal level, it's sad that this particular gestational surrogate was so prejudiced against people in treatment for mental illnesses that she won't consider a medical opinion.

    It's a shame that our legal system can't handle a surplus of qualified parents who want to be part of a child's life better.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    Laschell is identified in the story as a pre-med student. I sincerely hope that if she intends on pursuing health care as a profession, she educates herself thoroughly about mental illness, lest she extend this judgmental perspective to her future patients.

    Also, the surromoms board indicates that she is now planning to adopt the children to a third couple, although that is not included in the NYT story.
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    GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11) promoted this comment Edited by individa at 12/14/09 5:29 PM individa was starred individa was unstarred
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    12/14/09

    @individa: The egg donor was pre-med. Lashcell carried the children but did not provide the egg.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    It's interesting how, even in cases where the surrogate is not biologically related to the child, the experience of childbirth seems to be enough to deem the woman the "mother." See also the story of the woman who was a surrogate for her gay brother and his partner. They used a donor egg and the partner's sperm, yet the family court has temporarily awarded her three days a week of parenting time while she is trying to gain custody.
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    12/14/09

    @rodmanstreet: Technically the surrogate is the child's "birth mother".
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    rodmanstreet promoted this comment dodo-bajoe was starred dodo-bajoe was unstarred
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    12/14/09

    @dodo-bajoe: Legally? Seems strange to me. Like a photographer handing film to a developer, and then the developer saying the photo is hers because she developed it. Even though she wasn't the one who took the photo.
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    12/14/09

    @rodmanstreet: The analogy you use is interesting because it's about intellectual property. Can we think of children as intellectual property?

    The experience of pregnancy and childbirth are hard for me to interpret as a mere service, like developing film, too. A surrogate may be able to intellectualize that the baby is not "hers" but our bodies (including the parts of our brains that aren't doing the intellectualizing) are not. Everyone seems to understand that a woman giving up her child for adoption is making a great emotional effort, but surrogates, because they signed up to perform this service, are expected to be emotionally detached?

    This is a case when our ethical (as well as biological) framework hasn't caught up with our technology yet, I think.
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    rodmanstreet promoted this comment girlleastlikelyto was starred girlleastlikelyto was unstarred
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    12/14/09

    @girlleastlikelyto: Honestly the more I think about it the more I confuse myself, and I really don't know where I would say I stand, officially. What's more important: the genetic material the child is made from, or how the child was brought into the world? And when I say more important, I mean more important legally, if we were a jury trying to sort through these disputes. Think about ten years down the road, too: is that ten year old more hers, because she carried him for nine months and gave birth, or is the ten year old more the other person's because he looks just like his mother and inherited his father's build?

    You're absolutely right: our technology has outpaced our own understanding of it, and that itself is pretty fucking scary.

    ETA: I also wouldn't expect a surrogate to be emotionally detached, but I wouldn't consider that emotional attachment enough to warrant lifelong custody.
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    Edited by rodmanstreet at 12/14/09 8:48 PM rodmanstreet was starred rodmanstreet was unstarred
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    12/14/09

    @rodmanstreet: Actually, if you've ever developed in a darkroom, you'd see that developing can be a far more difficult and creative process than taking the photo is.

    I'm just ribbing ya!
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    12/14/09

    @rodmanstreet: My cousin surrogated for her sister (using the sister's egg and her husbands sperm), and my father, who is an attorney, helped draw up all the legal papers. The cousin who surrogated was legally referred to as the "birth mother" because she was the person actually giving birth to the baby. My other cousin was legally referred to as the "biological mother". I'm just saying how its done.

    I'm not sure what exactly the Kehoe's would be referred to as in this case. Maybe something similar to adoptive parents....?
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    rodmanstreet promoted this comment dodo-bajoe was starred dodo-bajoe was unstarred
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    12/14/09

    @rodmanstreet: This may or may not have to do with why society/the courts/whoever-it-may-be deems the woman who does the literal child-bearing the child mother's even when that isn't biologically or legally true but it's obvious to me that a huge part of what's going on here is that women are hard-wired to feel attached to their babies within minutes of giving birth. Oxytocin levels (sometimes called "the love hormone") surge in women who have just delivered a baby and they feel instantly attached.

    Think about it: is it logical to love a wrinkled pink thing who you just met and who just caused you hours of pain and discomfort and is now - quite unappreciatively - wailing blood murder? Oxytocin was nature's way of ensuring that prehistoric women didn't leave their babies to the wolves. In the 21st century, when children have taken on a cultural significance which has largely taken over Oxytocin's job, this chemical attachment seems to be causing some problems.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    I'm an adoptive mom who went the foster care route in Texas. I can tell you that adoption done domestically that links up parents with kids who are existing in State-run foster systems, costs me about $250. Time was the expensive thing in our situation - it took about 2 years from licensing to placement to court appearance. most of that was waiting for the initial placement. And the kids in foster care NEED parents - they are already walking the planet, developing and growing up without the love a family can provide them. A better moral choice on how to spend your procreative dollars?
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    12/14/09

    @lileigh: Including the home study? In Idaho, the home study alone ran my coworker at least $2K.
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    12/14/09

    @lileigh: Foster care and adoptions are wonderful things. "A better moral choice" that's not really a thing you get to decide for others. It may have been the best choice for you, please don't try and mandate that for others.
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    12/14/09

    @Little Time Bomb: Thank you. People choose their routes for different reasons. Making a moral judgment about them is a bit out of line.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    This whole mess makes me all twitchy, we need better rules and regulations.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    I tend to agree with the judge in the Times article who is quoted as saying "There are, in a civilized society, some things that money cannot buy." This entire process treats children as commodities, and its incredibly disturbing to me. A person shouldn't be able to order a baby. Our culture says that enough money can buy the American dream. But there is a big difference between a house with a white picket fence and the children that go with it. These are human lives we are dealing with here, reducing them to a financial transaction is scary and inhumane. I feel for everyone involved in this situation, but its not really surprising to me that so much heartache would result from this.
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    At least Ms. Kehoe is being treated for her mental illness. It's entirely possible the surrogate has some sort of mental illness as well that has gone undiagnosed.

    Regardless, surrogate mommy is a horrible person - how dare she take these children away from their parents! She's also inevitably going to make the kid's lives harder because as they grow up, and this goes on (because it probably will), they're going to know there's a conflict around/because of them. That's just a terrible thing to do to a child.

    If Ms. Kehoe was a recovering alcoholic, would Baker congratulate her for staying sober for 8 years, or do the same thing she's doing now?
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    12/14/09

    In reply to Baby Tug Of War: Everyone Loses
    This just doesn't make any sense to me. If you agreed to carry someone's babies for them, you are simply bearing their children through pregnancy. How can you have any claim over the children once they're born (even if, as in this case, the actual genetic material is not the hopeful parents' anyway)?

    Besides, how on earth can Laschell Baker be the judge of whether or not a schizophrenic person, who seems to be working on making her disorder not an issue, be a good mother? How is that even her place? Her role here was carrying the children, and that does not make her the arbiter of who is a good mother, even if you have four kids of your own.

    This is just so heartbreaking. I can't imagine being in that situation.
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    12/14/09

    @laurasaurus: I know - its stupid right? Unfortunately, courts are loath to enforce surrogacy contracts where the surrogate is either the genetic parents or the parents-to-be are not the genetic parents. Like Jez said, the law is all over the map on this one. Some states forbid surrogacy contracts completely. Other states allow a few days for the surrogate mother to back out. But in no state (that i know of) is a surrogacy contract ironclad.

    The courts' objections to surrogate contract usually goes like this - "but women can't give up their parental rights through contract - it's inconceivable!" That belief is rooted in the outdated notion that women just want to be mothers and the only way that a woman would ever contract away these rights is in situations of duress (i.e. no other way to make a living).

    Perosnally, i think it's an insult to
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