It's kind of sad that the woman profiled here wants a baby so badly that she will pay for this procedure and undergo fertility treatments, but that she wouldn't consider having a child outside of the traditional hetero relationship, so she is freezing her eggs until she waits for "Mr. Right." That does not seem terribly empowering. #eggfreezing
@KentuckyBabe: You can have my future babies then, when they're self-shitting. But once they can speak in complete sentences, please to return them. #eggfreezing
Only 1000 births worldwide? That can't be right. There's been at least a thousand births, plus subsequent murders, plus subsequent twists (they were the receptionists eggs!) on Law and Order SVU alone. #eggfreezing
If a person has the funds to do this and would like to do so, then I will not stand in their way. But please don't tell me that it's "empowering" - it's such an overused word, and often heralds an effort to sell women an expensive service that really isn't necessary to their overall life happiness.
What is empowering is telling women that any decision they make - to be mothers, not to be mothers, to have children naturally, to adopt, to not give a flying fuck about what anybody thinks about any of it except what they know in their heart is right for them - that is to truly empower women. Providing them with yet another way to expend large amounts of money to live up to social pressures - eh, I'm not so sure about that. Yes, many women really do want to be mothers, and I think it's great that there are resources for them - I'm just uncomfortable with how often it seems to be couched in a sales pitch.
And it would help if some medical professionals could refrain from saying "You go girl" while holding out their hand for money. #eggfreezing
And please, no more "you go girl," especially not when aimed at grown-ass women. It reminds me too much of my pink "Get In Shape Girl!" exercise equipment from when I was 7. #eggfreezing
@Flackette Goes Retro: I don't agree that women freeze eggs--or have children, for that matter--to live up to social pressures. They do it because they want to have children. #eggfreezing
@ihateyourescalade: Maybe I should rephrase what I originally said. I guess I just don't like the idea that for whatever reason women (and men) seem to believe that the most legit way to have children is by having them with their own DNA - even if that means extreme (and extremely expensive) measures like egg-freezing. My family has a history of adoption, so I just get edgy about anything that smacks of insisting that bio kids are the most legitimate kids. It's the same reason I get squirmy around conversations about egg donation, IVF, etc., by couples who do not investigate adoption.
It's a complicated thing, and for me it just reminds me of people who insist that I'm not related to some of my own relatives, because we do not share DNA.
So, I can totally see why this is empowering for someone who places a premium on having biologically related children and being pregnant themselves. I think my original discomfort stems from the idea that this seems to privilege the actual creation of biological children over any other conception of parenthood. There are lots of ways to become a parent, at any stage of life. This is my personal issue, I recognize, but I just feel very squicky when people talk about extending fertility via very expensive methods like this.
@Flackette Goes Retro: Your reasoning makes sense. This stuff is tough. I really wanted my own child--not because I thought it was "better" per se but out of love for Mr. Escalade and the desire to "create" a person with him. (Weird-sounding, I know, but for many the desire to reproduce is as strong and consuming as sexual desire.) That said, had I been unable to conceive, I would have personally preferred adoption to fertility treatments, though I have nothing against anyone who wants to go that route.
It's wrong of any person to say one way of having a child is any better than any other way, or that having a child is better than not having one, or that not having one is better than having one. And it's really wrong to say that an adopted child is any less legitimate than a biological child. I'm so sorry you have had to put up with ignorant people.
Great Britain, in the face of the plummeting value of the Pound, has considered switching to "babies" as its new form of currency, as babies are plentiful and worth essentially the same as the British Pound, but have a more stable value internationally.
@morninggloria: What's the conversion rate for babies? Is my one American baby worth 2 British babies? Because I might invest in some British babies. Perhaps Gerard Butler or Daniel Craig would like to help me.
@ahpooks: British babies are worth about three American babies, provided that they pledge to remain in England long enough to learn to speak with that adorable baby British accent.
@morninggloria: British accents on children are all adorable until one of them starts seeing ghosts or getting murderous telekenesis. People never think of that; they only want to hear the cute stuff. Let me tell you something, missy, it's damn hard to get rid of poltergeists once your "adorable" British child summons them. And let's not forget that British children grow up to play all the villains in American movies!
@LaComtesse: Perhaps we should consider the even one American baby for one Canadian baby exchange. It will take a generation, but we will have universal health care.
It seems to me that quieting the fertility uptick at the high end of prosperity wouldn't have nearly as great of an effect than making the people who are already on this earth (however many there are) more environmentally sustainable. It seems like we're worried about the wrong thing here.
Of course it's bad for the environment: when you have too many babies, people just toss them anywhere instead of in the appropriate bins, as seen above.
@curiousgeorgiana: It couldn't be simpler. Cranky babies go in the green bin, giggly babies go in the blue bin with the burpy babies and the chatty babies, and all other babies can go out with the regular trash.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: RIGHT? It's a waste of your most tender meat right there.
@ihateyourescalade: Though I will say, there's nothing cuter than a marauding band of infants.. except of course for that gang of biker kittens, the Hell Katz.
@curiousgeorgiana: I have to PAY for them to pick up my bin of babies!!
(Okay, but seriously. How is recycling supposed to catch on if you either have everyone driving to the center, which is counterproductive, or they have to pay to do it?)
@LaComtesse: Maybe where you live. I used to live an apartment that just had a bin labelled "baby" but it turned out they didn't recycle babies who started to get their teeth. Who knew? It wasn't listed anywhere. My current place, you can put all the recyclable babies in one bin. So much easier.
@likepenguins: That isn't everywhere. Every place I've lived, except the town I grew up in, gives you recycling bins and picks it up at the curb. My dad's town does the same. It's covered in your taxes.
@curiousgeorgiana: Ugh, and they leak all over your car on the way, and you've got to Febreeze that shit for months. I mean, can't someone just invent a bag that can handle those tiny little claws? Force Flex my ass.
Sadly, even trying to stay safe and taking every precaution will not always prevent an abduction, rape, or other crime. But maybe there was no crime and Annie will be found safe and sound.
@KiddyKat: There's no suspicion of foul play and (despite my first thoughts going to domestic) her fiance is fully involved. But our city can be scary in places, especially the area she disappeared from. I just hope everything turns out ok. I know the police have been in overdrive since Wednesday.
Her coach says she's "not feeling well."
No shit. I wonder if you can feel well when everybody is wondering about your sex, making nasty comments about it and questioning if you deserved your win.
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@boobookitteh: Oh my god, how is that possible? The Met is my favorite place, ever, so I'm very biased, but you should definitely go! I was thinking about going tonight for a glass of wine and art, but it's getting to be too late.
@IBleedGlitter: The High Priestess of Tinsel: There's a whole iTunesU podcast available for free about this painting, if you want to cram before going.
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What is empowering is telling women that any decision they make - to be mothers, not to be mothers, to have children naturally, to adopt, to not give a flying fuck about what anybody thinks about any of it except what they know in their heart is right for them - that is to truly empower women. Providing them with yet another way to expend large amounts of money to live up to social pressures - eh, I'm not so sure about that. Yes, many women really do want to be mothers, and I think it's great that there are resources for them - I'm just uncomfortable with how often it seems to be couched in a sales pitch.
And it would help if some medical professionals could refrain from saying "You go girl" while holding out their hand for money. #eggfreezing
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And please, no more "you go girl," especially not when aimed at grown-ass women. It reminds me too much of my pink "Get In Shape Girl!" exercise equipment from when I was 7. #eggfreezing
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It's a complicated thing, and for me it just reminds me of people who insist that I'm not related to some of my own relatives, because we do not share DNA.
So, I can totally see why this is empowering for someone who places a premium on having biologically related children and being pregnant themselves. I think my original discomfort stems from the idea that this seems to privilege the actual creation of biological children over any other conception of parenthood. There are lots of ways to become a parent, at any stage of life. This is my personal issue, I recognize, but I just feel very squicky when people talk about extending fertility via very expensive methods like this.
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It's wrong of any person to say one way of having a child is any better than any other way, or that having a child is better than not having one, or that not having one is better than having one. And it's really wrong to say that an adopted child is any less legitimate than a biological child. I'm so sorry you have had to put up with ignorant people.
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Ha, my Gentleman Caller is British. If I went off the BC, I bet you I could pay off the ten British babies fine in no time.
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Not only that, but to do all of those things with the particular kind of cancer she has? I don't even like to leave the comfort of my own bathroom when things get crazy down there.