I think what she was doing was seeking protection from men, but it went the other way, she was often beaten up, abused and she simply used herself up,"
Yeah, the men had nothing to do with that. Damn sexual freedom for making my sister beat herself up.
@J.D.Regent: On the one hand, we're uptight boner-killers who need to be more "sex positive", on the other, we're forcing women to have so much sex we end up all messed up.
One personality disorder ... er "trait" that many ultra-conservatives have is that they tend to be able to hold two opposing and contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time without cognitive dissidence. Go figure.
People who aren't feminists or choose not to call themselves feminists on this blog usually have a decent argument, even if I don't agree with it. On some of the other sites I frequent (really, anything other than feminist ones)? It's the F-word. Women are constantly 'psycho ex-girlfriends,' 'golddiggers' or 'hysterical.' At the same time, feminism is a throwback that's no longer needed in these enlightened times. Everyone is assumed to be male unless their user name is Vagina(IHaveOne)87, and when they're discovered to be female 'You write like a guy' is the highest praise. Oh, and god forbid rape ever come up – apparently it is everyone's duty to point out as early as possible that women lie about it all the time. No discussion needed, just in case it's all lies. Let's wait for the rape kit to come back (if she can afford it and if they process it within 10 years) and for the trial (if it goes forward). No matter if no one personally knows the people involved or if everything else under the sun is discussed, often unquestioned.
Maybe I should get off comic book and movie sites.
Of course women's sites are needed. I used to hop around the internet pretty bored and listless. Then I started dating a guy who is a feminist and he directed me to this site. I was instantly obsessed, I read EVERY article and comment for at least a month. I was hypnotized by the notion of a site that has male commentators but has majority of female. Even when I didn't agree with people it was an eye-opener to read so many opinions and personal experiences. I admit I don't always agree with some articles but I LOVE having a base point to start a discussion with other people and already have had my mind opened to other sides of the story.
I think all the sites have their place. I go occasionally to Gawker, and Kotaku and I09 are right behind Jezebel on lists of places to kill some time, but Jezebel has something special in the setup. Yes there should definitely be a wide variety of unisex sites but there is nothing wrong with a little personalization and someone has to write them.
I came to Jezebel nearly two years ago (!!!) from, of all places....Fark. I had been frequenting Fark for about four years before I was drawn over to the ligtht side of the force - I think it was that "Photo Shop of Horrors" about the infamous Faith Hill Redbook cover. I have been coming back ever since.
I mean, when I want really mean-but-funny snark, angry debate for the sake of debate, over-the-top silliness I still like to go to Fark (hell, I have a Fark thread open in another tab). (Gawker just doesn't rate IMO)
But, when I want actual intelligent conversation with people I can actually relate to, and when I get to experience actual snippits of other people's lives, and feel like I am part of a community, Jez is it. Fark does have an element of community, but it's not a place where you can discuss your experiences with, say, sexual assault.
Ok you can, but the next posted response will probably a hotlinked image of the 40 pound box of rape.
Not so say Jezzies can't be irreverent or bring the funny - obviously they can, and they do - or that Farkers can't have intelligent conversations - I've learned a lot from Fark discussion threads.
But, in general, like many of the other readers, I consider Jez a place of sanctuary from the rest of the way women are treated - and the way women present themselves - on the internet. (although I think some of it rears its head in the "OMG I am 6' and weigh 120 lbs and am a DD cup and it is IMPOSSIBLE to find clothes!" type discussions) My only real beef is with the system for commenting - but that's neither here nor there, and no one cares what I think about that anyway.
The thing I like best about Jezebel is the variety of commenters. I love that there are high school students that comment here. When they say things like "I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I'm beginning to realize xxx" with xxx being something about normative life that's totally fucked up for women*. Not only do I go "Ah I totally remember when I realized that!" but it reminds me that not everyone is at the depth of feminism I am. Which may sound arrogant, but I do not mean it in a judgy way. I mean that not everyone has spent hours and hours hating on the patriarchy, not everyone had the luxury of going to a women's college and seeing the difference a lack of men has on women's lives, not everyone reads Dworkin for fun (some haven't even heard of her).
As for echo chambers, I also tend to think of this as the most conservative site I read. I read more radically feminist sites (some of which are run by commenters here) than Jezebel, and so when I'm here part of me thinks of it as crossing the line into less fringe and more mainstream territory. I guess the fact that I consider this place as mainstream as I ever want to be says something about my own politics. But being around people who do not share my somewhat extreme views has helped me articulate my own beliefs. Has anyone here ever drastically changed my opinion of something I hold dear? No. But the nuances have made a difference. I also think that the writers employed by the site have a variety of views. I can usually tell who's writing what because they do actually have a spectrum of political views. I just don't consider "Obama's an African Terrorist" to be a view worth my time. So when you cut out the crazy part of the conversation, which is usually the explicitly racist sexist homophobic conservative side, the space for reasonable people to have different opinions becomes smaller, and I think the writers here cover lots of space within that "Reasonable" span.
Also sometimes there are threads that make me feel insane. Whenever there's a really long thread about rape, or heterosexual relationships and marriage, and people start telling their stories, it can get so intense. It's often painful and sad (because such is sexual assault) but also weirdly raw and beautiful, because it seems like for the first time in history women can come together from all over the world and share these things, and consciousness raise, and support each other. And so often the responses are touching and wonderful and kind, and several threads have reminded me how much work we have to do. But it's also like--these are the threads that are doing it. The conversations here are women communicating with each other, something that has been discouraged by the western dominant paradigm since the fucking 16th century. I love the TMI posts, because I think they are radically fucking feminist. #womensblogs
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Parents who use contrarian sexist banalities have children who use contrarian sexist banalities.
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Yeah, the men had nothing to do with that. Damn sexual freedom for making my sister beat herself up.
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One personality disorder ... er "trait" that many ultra-conservatives have is that they tend to be able to hold two opposing and contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time without cognitive dissidence. Go figure.
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Am I just misunderstanding that sentence, or did he just refer to his sister as "It"?
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Maybe I should get off comic book and movie sites.
11/18/09
I think all the sites have their place. I go occasionally to Gawker, and Kotaku and I09 are right behind Jezebel on lists of places to kill some time, but Jezebel has something special in the setup. Yes there should definitely be a wide variety of unisex sites but there is nothing wrong with a little personalization and someone has to write them.
11/18/09
I mean, when I want really mean-but-funny snark, angry debate for the sake of debate, over-the-top silliness I still like to go to Fark (hell, I have a Fark thread open in another tab). (Gawker just doesn't rate IMO)
But, when I want actual intelligent conversation with people I can actually relate to, and when I get to experience actual snippits of other people's lives, and feel like I am part of a community, Jez is it. Fark does have an element of community, but it's not a place where you can discuss your experiences with, say, sexual assault.
Ok you can, but the next posted response will probably a hotlinked image of the 40 pound box of rape.
Not so say Jezzies can't be irreverent or bring the funny - obviously they can, and they do - or that Farkers can't have intelligent conversations - I've learned a lot from Fark discussion threads.
But, in general, like many of the other readers, I consider Jez a place of sanctuary from the rest of the way women are treated - and the way women present themselves - on the internet. (although I think some of it rears its head in the "OMG I am 6' and weigh 120 lbs and am a DD cup and it is IMPOSSIBLE to find clothes!" type discussions) My only real beef is with the system for commenting - but that's neither here nor there, and no one cares what I think about that anyway.
11/17/09
As for echo chambers, I also tend to think of this as the most conservative site I read. I read more radically feminist sites (some of which are run by commenters here) than Jezebel, and so when I'm here part of me thinks of it as crossing the line into less fringe and more mainstream territory. I guess the fact that I consider this place as mainstream as I ever want to be says something about my own politics. But being around people who do not share my somewhat extreme views has helped me articulate my own beliefs. Has anyone here ever drastically changed my opinion of something I hold dear? No. But the nuances have made a difference. I also think that the writers employed by the site have a variety of views. I can usually tell who's writing what because they do actually have a spectrum of political views. I just don't consider "Obama's an African Terrorist" to be a view worth my time. So when you cut out the crazy part of the conversation, which is usually the explicitly racist sexist homophobic conservative side, the space for reasonable people to have different opinions becomes smaller, and I think the writers here cover lots of space within that "Reasonable" span.
Also sometimes there are threads that make me feel insane. Whenever there's a really long thread about rape, or heterosexual relationships and marriage, and people start telling their stories, it can get so intense. It's often painful and sad (because such is sexual assault) but also weirdly raw and beautiful, because it seems like for the first time in history women can come together from all over the world and share these things, and consciousness raise, and support each other. And so often the responses are touching and wonderful and kind, and several threads have reminded me how much work we have to do. But it's also like--these are the threads that are doing it. The conversations here are women communicating with each other, something that has been discouraged by the western dominant paradigm since the fucking 16th century. I love the TMI posts, because I think they are radically fucking feminist. #womensblogs
11/17/09