@ketamineKitty: As do I, as do I. I suppose that I fit that bill and still do for many a gay boy. I grew up in Montana and the gay men and I generally hung around each other to protect each other. I was an outsider, and so were they and we bonded.
Do people really think gay men make straight women feel better about themselves? I can see how it plays out that way in movies and TV, but in real life, not so much. I've been in the gay community since I was 14 and all too often my friendships with gay men have been painfully one-sided; they want me to be the confidant, audience, flatterer and ego-booster, but they don't want to hear anything about my life. It's not always like that, but happens enough to be a definite pattern.
But yeah, some of my straight women friends definitely exoticize gay men. Then again, I've been fetishized as a bi woman about 8 million times (and as part of a lesbian couple - progressive straight couples are just dying to show you off at their dinner parties!) and I know that it'll die off as we become more visible and befriended as people, not stereotypes.
I have, in the past, called myself a fag hag. And I really don't care - I'm not a person who uses my gay friends to bitch about men and/or to drag on shopping trips. I'm also very self-deprecating. I don't have a gay friend to validate my lifestyle or to identify as "hip." I just happen to have a lot in common with my gay friends, and I've felt incredibly at home in the community and have been deeply involved in activism, especially for gay marriage. Since I was 12 I have befriended SO MANY gay men... more gay men than women, in fact. My two best friends happen to be gay. I made them my co-men of honor in my wedding. "Fag hag" was a term I always thought to be reserved for straight/bi (I'm bi myself) women who respect and enjoy being an ally to the gay community, not Sex and the City knockoffs who want to accessorize with well-dressed, sassy gay men.
@royaume de coeur: I agree - I've called myself a fag hag in that sort of self-deprecating way, as I just tend to get along really well with gay men. My best friend came out to me during high school and I was like well, duh - it didn't change how well we got along. He gives really awesome advice, is hilarious and yeah we do the odd shopping excursion but fuck it, he's my best friend. Who doesn't get along like that with their best friend.
Plus, we've both encouraged each other to be more politically active and aware in the LGTBQ community. I definitely concur that it's about respect and enjoying being an ally.
this may sound antiquated, but i feel like the term 'fag hag' or 'gay boyfriend' is a way for a straight woman to let the world know "yes, he's not playing for my team, he's a buddy and pal and not my future husband"....and i can't help but think that the reason for the term goes back to the old 'when harry met sally' adage, that a straight man and a straight woman have a very difficult time being friends without sex getting in the way. WOMEN may not have a problem with it, but MEN do. hence, the term.
When I was 18 I became friends with a recently out of the closet (and recently off the farm) gay boy. I absolutely hated it when he tried to call me his fag hag. Maybe I'm too literal, but hag isn't exactly appealling. I really don't think friendships need titles anyway.
I think some young gay men probably really look for fag hags as part of the media approved gay lifestyle. When they get a little older and more secure, the friendship may not be worth it. I'd rather not be part of anyone's quota system.
I find it interesting that Grace from Will and Grace is always portrayed as some quintessential gay collector or "fag hag" when I never got that impression from the show. Grace wasn't friends with Will because he was gay, didn't try to force herself into the gay community, and she didn't consider his friendship an alternative to straight love or a sexual relationship, but as a support system and genuine friendship. Sometimes Will or Grace would occasionally joke about giving up and marrying each other or something, but I've done that with friends of varying genders and sexualities.
Women who make a huge deal about having gay friends, whether by using terms like "fag hag" or "my gays" or chatting about them all the time (while unnecessarily emphasizing that they're gay) always strike me as trying to make themselves appear interesting, open minded and worldly. Or trying to convince themselves of those things.
I remember my first RA in college made her gay friends one of the "interesting facts about herself" and that about sums it up. It's just as lame as announcing that you have wealthy friends or black friends or lots of guy friends in order to show people how fascinating YOU are.
Back in the 90s I was a fag hag lezzie. I was a fixture at the gay clubs..I loved the glitz and the glam. I loved my gay menz--the majority of my friends were gay men. I appreciated the camp humor and wished that my gay sisters appreciated the gay boys' joie de vivre as much as I did. I don't regret my days in faghagdom and I think it made me into a tomboy diva that I am today!
Are there other lezzie jezzies out there who were/are fag hags?
"It is also worth noting that a gay friendship of any sort allows white people to feel as though they are a part of the gay rights movement. While white people love being a part of any movement, the gay movement is especially important to them because they can blend in at rallies and protests and spend an afternoon feeling the sting of oppression."
Consider Clueless. Cher thought she was going to lose her virginity to Christian until he was revealed as being a "cake boy" by Murray, which neither she nor Dion had considered ("are you bitches blind or something??"), but then he became one of her best friends, and the fact that he was gay wasn't mentioned for the rest of the movie. True, they did go shopping together, but he was not seen as "an accessory".
Once again proving that Clueless is one of the greatest movies of all time.
The first time I heard the term used was in "Fame" and it wasn't used nicely. I've avoided it since. As someone said downthread, both "fag" and "hag" are offensive onto themselves so why should they be okay together? My experience with gay friends has always been that, FRIENDS (I was the go to first person to come out to in college).
I'm a big fan of "fruit fly" rather than "fag hag" - less insulting to both parties! As to the nature of the relationship between straight women and gay men, its complicated. Altering the semantics is WAY easier!
"Men got the appearance of heterosexual legitimacy and intimacy free of sexual tension; women got a touch of glamour and performance and exoticism."
I have to disagree. This may be the blueprint for some gay man/straight woman friendships, and I can see how quickly it would lead to the gay man being treated as an accessory. Honestly, who values their friends for being glamourous, exotic performers. That's offensive.
The biggest reason a lot of straight women gravitate toward gay men as friends is that too often during one's single years, it's challenging to find a friend who is just a friend. Despite the ideal that Sex and the City tried to sell us, friendships among single women are very difficult to maintain, because unless you go through relationships and dating and breakups at the exact same time, or never like the same guy, or are just incredibly self-confident and generous, there's probably going to be some competition/jealousy there. Friendships with straight men, on the other hand, can be made difficult by the sexual politics. Even if you never date or never dated, odds are pretty good that someone is crushing on the other, or did once, and even if not, when one of you starts dating, [i]that[/i] person can put a damper on the friendship.
But straight women and gay men can be understanding, honest cheerleaders for one another during the single/shitty boyfriend/bad breakup phase of their lives. You don't have to worry about crushing on each other, but you'll also never return from a bar bathroom to discover your gay friend flirting with the guy you like. These friendships are often the closest thing adults can get to those pre-pubescent relationships of our childhood -- both less complicated and more intimate than most adult friendships.
@emfish55: While I agree that being friends with straight men can be hard because of the sexual tension, I think you are being too hard on female friendships. Yes, liking the same guy can be a problem but I have never had a huge problem based on where a friend's relationship was. Occasionally a friend disappears when a new man shows up, but that shouldn't be a friendship ender.
It sounds like you've had some really bad luck with female friends.
@clevernamehere: I certainly don't mean to indict all female friendships -- I have a number of female friends I treasure. I was merely pointing out that the dynamics of friendships between straight women and gay men can be less complicated, particularly during one's single years.
As for my "bad luck" with female friends... yes, that would be one way of putting it. Sadly, in the last year, I've had several girlfriends behave like the backstabbing high school girls of Heathers or Gossip Girl. I attribute this to a general sense of panic (that I identify with but do not exactly share) over entering one's 30s while still single. My gay male friends have a lot of the same issues -- we talk about feeling left behind or become premature old maids (with a sense of humor, of course). But the main and welcome difference is that my gay friends have never taken out their frustrations with their love lives on me. They don't view themselves in competition with me. Unfortunately, many of my girlfriends apparently do and it's been pretty unpleasant.
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But yeah, some of my straight women friends definitely exoticize gay men. Then again, I've been fetishized as a bi woman about 8 million times (and as part of a lesbian couple - progressive straight couples are just dying to show you off at their dinner parties!) and I know that it'll die off as we become more visible and befriended as people, not stereotypes.
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Plus, we've both encouraged each other to be more politically active and aware in the LGTBQ community. I definitely concur that it's about respect and enjoying being an ally.
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I think some young gay men probably really look for fag hags as part of the media approved gay lifestyle. When they get a little older and more secure, the friendship may not be worth it. I'd rather not be part of anyone's quota system.
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I remember my first RA in college made her gay friends one of the "interesting facts about herself" and that about sums it up. It's just as lame as announcing that you have wealthy friends or black friends or lots of guy friends in order to show people how fascinating YOU are.
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Are there other lezzie jezzies out there who were/are fag hags?
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"It is also worth noting that a gay friendship of any sort allows white people to feel as though they are a part of the gay rights movement. While white people love being a part of any movement, the gay movement is especially important to them because they can blend in at rallies and protests and spend an afternoon feeling the sting of oppression."
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Once again proving that Clueless is one of the greatest movies of all time.
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I have to disagree. This may be the blueprint for some gay man/straight woman friendships, and I can see how quickly it would lead to the gay man being treated as an accessory. Honestly, who values their friends for being glamourous, exotic performers. That's offensive.
The biggest reason a lot of straight women gravitate toward gay men as friends is that too often during one's single years, it's challenging to find a friend who is just a friend. Despite the ideal that Sex and the City tried to sell us, friendships among single women are very difficult to maintain, because unless you go through relationships and dating and breakups at the exact same time, or never like the same guy, or are just incredibly self-confident and generous, there's probably going to be some competition/jealousy there. Friendships with straight men, on the other hand, can be made difficult by the sexual politics. Even if you never date or never dated, odds are pretty good that someone is crushing on the other, or did once, and even if not, when one of you starts dating, [i]that[/i] person can put a damper on the friendship.
But straight women and gay men can be understanding, honest cheerleaders for one another during the single/shitty boyfriend/bad breakup phase of their lives. You don't have to worry about crushing on each other, but you'll also never return from a bar bathroom to discover your gay friend flirting with the guy you like. These friendships are often the closest thing adults can get to those pre-pubescent relationships of our childhood -- both less complicated and more intimate than most adult friendships.
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It sounds like you've had some really bad luck with female friends.
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As for my "bad luck" with female friends... yes, that would be one way of putting it. Sadly, in the last year, I've had several girlfriends behave like the backstabbing high school girls of Heathers or Gossip Girl. I attribute this to a general sense of panic (that I identify with but do not exactly share) over entering one's 30s while still single. My gay male friends have a lot of the same issues -- we talk about feeling left behind or become premature old maids (with a sense of humor, of course). But the main and welcome difference is that my gay friends have never taken out their frustrations with their love lives on me. They don't view themselves in competition with me. Unfortunately, many of my girlfriends apparently do and it's been pretty unpleasant.