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duetoprivacy
02/10/09

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Can someone explain to me this stimulus package? ANd will it help me...who is claimed as a dependent and earns less than $20,000 a year (however, my parents do not support me and I have to support myself on little to no money) Thank god for student loans.
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
02/10/09

@duetoprivacy: Well, maybe. It probably won't help you directly, since you probably aren't paying that much in taxes, and presently aren't crippled by debt (though, if you've got student loans, you probably will be when you graduate). However, if the longer term job generation effects pan out, then it'll make it easier for you to get a job in the future. Heck, if the economy even stabilizes and stops hemorrhaging jobs, it'll make it easier for you to get something.

Likewise, it'll make it more likely that you'll be able to get a mortgage at a decent rate, and should (depending on what gets put in here) make it possible for you to finance your debt in such a way that it's not crippling.
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
02/10/09

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I think Obama needs to just bulldoze this stimulus bill through, and let the Republicans try and shoot it down, and then just be ready to paint them all as amoral fat-cat obstructionists, who care more about preserving their reputations than they do about actually helping the economy.

"Oh, Senator jackass didn't want to pass the stimulus bill because it devoted too much money to special education. I want you to remember that, Florida voters. I want you to remember your Senator. I want you to remember when times got tight, who Senator Jackass decided to throw to the curb. When times got hard, and we all had to start tightening our belts and rolling up our sleeves, who did Senator Jackass want to let fend for themselves? He didn't say let's let the bankers fend for themselves. He didn't say let's let the politicians fend for themselves. He didn't offer to take a pay cut. He said let's let the kids with special needs--the kids with Down's syndrome and autism and Aspergers--let's let THEM fend for themselves. In a time when charity is most needed, Senator Jackass wants to let suffer those people most in need of charity. Children. Children who suffer under a burden of disadvantage that is no fault of their own, no responsibility of their own. Children who now need our help more than ever.

And Senator Jackass, to preserve his reputation as being opposed to "pork" [use the dick fingers, here], has decided to cut those children loose, and let them survive this financial winter on their own.

Remember this, Florida, when it comes time to find yourselves a new Senator in the next election.
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badmutha
02/10/09

@braak: I think we have a Gov. Jackass here in Texas. Sounds eerily similar.
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
02/10/09

@badmutha: There was a real senator that did it, but I can't remember where he was from. I thought it was either Florida or Arizona, but it could have been Texas.

I heard it on NPR and was so furious that I was literally blinded by rage and had to pull the car over.
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ItchykooParker
02/10/09

@braak: Braak, this seriously makes me love you, with a heart full of agreement and empathy. Well said.
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badmutha
02/10/09

@braak: They did this exact thing in Texas 5 years ago when they threw thousands of children off of SCHIP, and our Gov Perry was behind it all. GOP get on the cut children's healthcare soapbox all the time due to people "abusing the system."
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Numbuh 5
02/10/09

@braak:

Awesome, love, awesome!

What is the dick fingers? Me no know....
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@Numbuh 5: At one point during the debates, McCain put something women's-health-related in air-quotes (it is perhaps telling that my mind has blocked the precise comment, but I'm pretty sure that it was about choice), and from that moment on, the Jezebelles have known such dismissive and disrespectful air-quotes by their rightful title: Dick fingers.
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
02/10/09

@ellaesther: Specifically, it was in response to a question about abortion and the Freedom of Choice Act, and John McCain referred to: the "health" of the mother.

I believe it was Jon Stewart that coined the phrase "dick fingers."
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@braak: Ah yes! Now it's all coming back in all its enraging glory! But, on the other hand, remembering Jon Stewart's role is a happy thing. So it evens out.
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kimsama
02/10/09

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True fact: in Japan, when something is shiny they say "pika pika" instead of "bling bling."
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@kimsama: ... so every time Pikachu opens his mouth, he's saying "shiny, shiny"? (I have a fourth grader. Forgive me!)
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Bunny_of_doom
02/10/09

@kimsama: Hee, I learned that the other day. I never made the Pikachu connection until five seconds ago.
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kimsama
02/10/09

@ellaesther: LOL, it's the other way around. People say it because Pikachu says it and sparkly stuff reminds them of Pikachu. I don't have a fourth-grader, and I am ashamed to say I know a little too much about pokemon for a grown woman.

@Bunny_of_doom: Is in a glass case of emotion: HAHAHA! I made the connection instantly because [see above embarrassed admission of having watched/played too much pokemon]
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@kimsama: I love learning stuff like that! Culture is so complicated, and we constantly make these leaps of logic that make perfect sense, except for the fact that they're, you know, wrong.

I will tell said fourth grader! And I will sing the praises of the grown-up who knew enough to tell me.
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Raspberry Swirly
02/10/09

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This was on for a while as I was visiting with friends, and a friend of a friend proclaimed that she did not like or vote for "the man", and was waiting for someone to assassinate him.

Wanted. To. Punch. Her.

Husband o' friend informed her that disagreeing with policies was one thing, but to wish a president to fail was to wish our country to fail, and she promptly shut up. Good lord I hate people.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@Raspberry Swirl: Now with more yruppls!: "Good lord I hate people." I say this ALL THE TIME.

Also: People are morons.
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anOCgirl
02/10/09

@Raspberry Swirl: Now with more yruppls!: omg. your friend of a friend was offensive. unfortunately, i hear quite a bit of that sentiment too and it makes my blood boil. as much as i hate bush, i never hoped for someone to assissinate him.

and obama's only been in office for 3 weeks! what's to hate at this point?
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Bunny_of_doom
02/10/09

@Raspberry Swirl: Now with more yruppls!: I have an acquaintance who spouts similar things, except she says things that will probably make me punch her in the face next time I see her. (Seriously, its horribly racist)

Agreed: People are morons.
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Raspberry Swirly
02/10/09

@ellaesther: @anOCgirl: @Bunny_of_doom: Is in a glass case of emotion: It was enough to make me regret my decision not to whip up an excuse not to hang out. But I'm just going to enjoy watching Obama NOT fail and see people seething.
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badmutha
02/10/09

@Raspberry Swirl: Now with more yruppls!: To wish someone dead could be construed as a threat. Miss Thing better watch what she says.
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whynotshesaid
02/10/09

@anOCgirl: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's the fact that he's black. Just a thought.
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devilchyld22
02/10/09

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I too watched on mute.

But only because I was waiting for How I Met Your Mother to Come On...
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Sparadise
02/10/09

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Long-time lurker, lefty Obama-lovin' commenter here,

Please help me: Did Obama not begin a sentence by saying that he was "jizzed up" about something (meaning, he really said "jazzed up" but it came out weird)?! I was traumatized- but I figure since no one else said anything about it, I must have imagined it. Anybody?

Also, I hate when people say "the reason is because..." (as opposed to "the reason is THAT..."). Is criticizing Obama in this regard ridiculous? Yes. Yes, it is.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@Sparadise: I don't know the answer to your question, but you have certainly come to the right board for discussing little annoyances involving mis-use of the language. Why, remember that thread just last week?

And welcome to commenting!
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vintagegoddess
02/10/09

@ellaesther: @Sparadise:

He said ginned up.

jizzed up, hahahahahaha

I wish he had said that.
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Sparadise
02/10/09

@vintagegoddess:
Ah! That's what my roommate said he said. Is that a common expression? I might have to start saying it all the time.
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Hiroine Protagonist
02/10/09

@Sparadise: I'm ginned up right now.
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Aesop's Foibles. YES.
02/10/09

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Fair is fair, and the current minority does have the right to be heard. Even if it's a bunch 'o the same old bullflop they've been churning out since, oh, forever. If the election had (shudder) gone the other way, and dems were the minority, we'd demand said right for ourselves. That being said, the Repub foot-stomping and pouting shit is getting old, and quick. It's politics, yall. Not a playground. Sheesh.
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pandorasmittens
02/10/09

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I'm sure Strom Thurmond would be happy to eliminate the filibuster as well, in order to forever preserve his impressive record.
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badmutha
02/10/09

@pandorasmittens: FROM THE GRAVE! I just got an image of Thurmond ZOMBIE!
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ellaesther
02/10/09

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I've said it before, and I'll probably keep saying it for a long, long time, but: The gall, sheer, unmitigated fucking GALL, of the GOP/John McCain talking -- in tones of great affront and worry! -- about the debt that this bill will leave to our children...!

It's a good thing heads can't just explode from rage, it really is.
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kelsium
02/10/09

@ellaesther: It's just a whole pile of asshattery. I mean sometimes the Dems are just as ridiculous about things, but the lack of self-awareness...OR ANY AWARENESS in the Republican party is astounding.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@kelsium: All I have now is an image of asshats, in a pile. It's a good image, actually, and I think I'll enjoy it for awhile, rather than do anymore enraged fuming about the GOP's FUCKING LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS!!! Ah shit, there it went.
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kimsama
02/10/09

@kelsium: @ellaesther: OH I EFFING KNOW! I was listening to a GOP talking head on NPR this morning, and he was all "we lost the election because we don't know very much about using web 2.0 and social media, like the democrats do." And Rene Montagne was all, "don't you think it was maybe the failing economy and your party's control over the government during the economy's most recent bout of excess and lax regulation?"

OH SNAP, RENE!
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RoseColette (fewer thorns; more coffee)
02/10/09

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The Republicans aren't just being whiny brats, they're crowing about taking tips from the Taliban. Seriously?! You want to be the Taliban of Congress?! Explains so much about the whining, the hatred of reproductive rights, and the demand the country be classified by only one religion.

Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Tex.) suggested last week that the party is learning from the disruptive tactics of the Taliban... [www.washingtonpost.com]
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HarpMadness
02/10/09

@RoseColette (fewer thorns; more coffee): How the F can somebody even say that and it not be the biggest thing? I am always amazed at the crap that comes out of some people's mouths, but yet they try to bran the other side as "un-American". I think learning ANYTHING from the Taliban is just about as un-American as you can get.
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J.D.Regent
02/10/09

@RoseColette (fewer thorns; more coffee): dude Sessions has teh crazy, so so bad. Remember his hideous immigration bill? He was going to criminalize offering charity to "illegal" immigrants. What a fucking nutter. At least he is admitting his tactics are terroristic.
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drunken marmot
02/10/09

@RoseColette (fewer thorns; more coffee): OMG.
You know, I want to move to Texas, but now I really think the place is full of nutjobs...(says the broad from the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts)
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Speeble
02/10/09

@drunken marmot: Austin is full of hippies and is my favorite Texas city. Live music capital of the US :)
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badmutha
02/10/09

@drunken marmot: We are not nutjobs! Most of us are really nice in Texas. But move to Austin or a smaller town. And pay no attention to the cape in my avitar. I just wear it for Jezz time.
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drunken marmot
02/10/09

@Speeble: I keep hearing awesome stuff about most of Texas. Does the good outweigh the crazy?
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badmutha
02/10/09

@drunken marmot: Oh hells yes. Sunshine, friendly people, and the crazy is more like eccentric, not mean crazy. Plus we have great Mexican food! Mountains, snow, deserts, beaches, piney woods, we have it all.
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hellosunshine
02/10/09

@drunken marmot: Most of us are actually very nice and normal. Though you may not be able to understand us, what with our crazy words like "y'all" and "fixin'" :-)
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hellosunshine
02/10/09

@badmutha: Bluebonnets! Dublin Dr Pepper! Wide open spaces! Shiner!!
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drunken marmot
02/10/09

@badmutha: I dimly remember sun amd warmth...
I'm definitely ready to move but alas, Hubs is the original stick in the mud...
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badmutha
02/10/09

@drunken marmot: Really? Then he is obviously related to Mr. Badmutha, who I consider Mr. Wet blanket sometimes.
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NefariousNewt
02/10/09

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My wife thought Helen Thomas was some old lady from Indiana who wandered off the street and into the press conference.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: Oh dear. Tell her we love her anyway.
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LaComtesse
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: The color on your TV must have been off, because if it were up to par, she'd have seen the purple glow of awesomeness radiating off Ms. Thomas.
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J.D.Regent
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: she was so cute, trying to get Obama to admit Israel has nukes at his first conference!!! Gotta love the old broad.
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RosePetalPlace
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: Actually, awesome as she is, I thought Ms. Thomas was off her game last night. Her questions were kinda ridic. I can understand where your mom was coming from.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@RosePetalPlace: (psst! It was his wife!)
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NefariousNewt
02/10/09

@J.D.Regent: She is a fighter. She may not bring her A-game anymore, but she still has the power to sneak a curve-ball through the President's wheelhouse when he's not looking.
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badmutha
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: But they cut her off, did you notice? She was going to say something else, and they took the mic away. I guess only one question/comment each.
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sportz.star
02/10/09

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Nothing says desperately out of power with no hope for making a big show like trying to change the rules mid-game.

Also, can we please investigate the Bushies? I think the country has more important priorities, but this one should not be missed.
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elitza owns the last Enzo shirt
02/10/09

@sportz.star: If I was a conspiracy nut, I'd say that the economy is a big distraction from the Bushies so they can hide 'til we forget how badly they screwed up.

Hmm.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@sportz.star: I'm actually not sure that we have more important priorities than investigating the Bush Administration -- given the whole "rule of law" thingie and the "future of the Constitution" doo-hickey (sigh) -- but we sadly have more immediate priorities, thanks to all of the Bush Administration's hard work. So I still think it's not likely to happen. I think their malignant neglect and general fuck-up-ery were so epic and dangerous that most of them will wind up getting away with it, because we will have to focus on saving the country. Interesting ass-covering tactic, Bush Administration!
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sportz.star
02/10/09

@ellaesther: Very true. Important was not the best word. Having a constitutional law professor in office should really bring back the importance of that document to reasonable levels. It's possible, though, that the Bush administration was so dangerous that the Obama administration doesn't want to go there because of how bad it would be. A reason, not a good one, but a reason.
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dianersb was bit by a zombie
02/10/09

@sportz.star: The Judiciary Chairman does want to set up a Truth and Reconciliation Committee

[thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com]
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J.D.Regent
02/10/09

@ellaesther: we can chew gum and walk at the same time. Criminals are still being prosecuted nation wide. It's not a choice between save the economy and prosecute Bush co. It's really horrible precedent just letting them go like this. An election is not enough! I need a CRIMINAL trial, not just Leahy's truth commission.
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Speeble
02/10/09

@dianersb was bit by a zombie: Is it just me or does that committee seem very 1984? Just the name of it makes me nervous.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@J.D.Regent: @sportz.star: In theory, I agree, and in my heart, I really, really hope it happens. I just think it won't, and as in so many things these days, I'm choosing to leave myself open to being surprised by good news....
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kimsama
02/10/09

@J.D.Regent: But in some way, I think it'd be better to have the U.S. public less distracted when we do go after Bushtachi. Because part of it will be making an example of what happens when you so openly flout the rule of law and the constitution.

But I do agree that we could start at least start setting it up now or something, can't we? Please?
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dianersb was bit by a zombie
02/10/09

@J.D.Regent: I just don't think it will be effective in healing the wounds of the Bush administration. Typically TRCs are used after a war has ended, in order to bring justice to those affected (like in post-apratheid South Africa or in Rwanda). I just don't think it's the same thing as present day U.S. If only for the fact that we're still in economic crisis and two wars.
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sportz.star
02/10/09

@dianersb was bit by a zombie: I know, and I guess that's a start, but as others say below, it's not enough. I'm with @J.D.Regent that there needs to be criminal trials, of someone, with lots of discovery -- which will lead to fights about executive privilege that only legal nerds like me will find fascinating, but I want it.
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badmutha
02/10/09

@dianersb was bit by a zombie: My thought is that all this will come out anyway. As we go forward with Obama's policies, people will begin to see that they were living in a very strange world for 8 years. Last night they talked about the ban on filming soldiers coffins being flown home. HUH? I didn't know about that, but it makes sense because they wanted to control what we knew, and they controlled the media. THE GOVT. CONTROLLED WHAT THE MEDIA COULD SHOW. That is 1984 to me.
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dianersb was bit by a zombie
02/10/09

@sportz.star: It would be nice to constrain presidential power to its constitutional limits. I think a criminal trial would do that, however, I'm just not sure how likely it is. Or how likely a reversal of extra-constitutional powers is without it.
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dianersb was bit by a zombie
02/10/09

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The best part about the news conference last night was when a) the guy asked about A-Rod. Not the financial crisis. Not wars. Not foreign relations. A-Rod.

and b) the fact that Obama kept having to reiterate that he inherited the debt and the crisis and that it might take a while to get it fixed. Which to me is a big no-brainer, but I guess it's not to other people?
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NefariousNewt
02/10/09

@dianersb was bit by a zombie: The Republicans seem to have forgotten where this mess came from in the first place. The President was just doing them the courtesy of reminding them -- and the American people.
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dianersb was bit by a zombie
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: I love that people have to be reminded. Ummm...the whole financial crisis didn't rise up out of no where on January 20.
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prestocaro fears the culling
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: It's funny because a few years ago, some republican asshole at a party was telling me that Clinton is the one who set Bush up for this shitty economic climate. So some people -- err, republicans -- are just in denial about who's responsible for what.

Also, they somehow think big military isn't big government, and that just cracks me up.
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NefariousNewt
02/10/09

@prestocaro: washed, ready to eat: Actually, it was Alan Greenspan, who snowed under Bush I & II, Clinton, and the American people with his "genius." I wonder if he can sleep at night knowing his false prognostication and utter faith in the free market to do the right thing was so misguided as to be a joke.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: Hmm, no, "joke" isn't working for me here.... Let's think for a minute /rummages around in dictionary/ ah-ha! "Criminal"!

"So misguided as to be criminal." Yes, that works much better....
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badmutha
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: Well, to be fair, economics is almost akin to astrology as a practice. It is so hard to look at something that so many other people can effect on a daily level and really know how to control the beast.
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prestocaro fears the culling
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: That's what she (me) said! And then it became apparent that the dude in question not only didn't know about Greenspan, he was also kind of fuzzy on what the federal reserve does, so I just backed out of that conversation.
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whynotshesaid
02/10/09

@dianersb was bit by a zombie: I've run into people who believe that the stock market didn't shit the bed until November, and that the economy was doing just fine until 2006, when the Democrats took over Congress.

Grasp on reality - they don't have it.
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breccia
02/10/09

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I don't think it matters if he was black or white and referred to the stimulus as being "bling bling," it just sounds ridiculous because he's an older, out-of-touch politician and it reeks of a parent using outdated slang in air quotes to explain why they should wait until their married to have sex, in hopes that their hipness convinces them somehow.

Face it, Steele. You're not going to be as cool as Obama. Ever.
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NefariousNewt
02/10/09

@breccia: If creating jobs and trying to maintain what few we have left is "bling-bling," then I'm all for more. Honestly, if it's not your native lingo, refrain from using it.
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Trulymadlyme
02/10/09

@breccia: Seriously. It was an epic cool fail. That said, I think he's an idiot for basically saying that the government has never created a single job, ever.
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ellaesther
02/10/09

@trulymadlyme: And then explaining that the jobs in the stimulus bill aren't "jobs," they're "work."

People of privilege (aka: the GOP) don't seem to understand that most Americans, and the vast majority of humanity, don't get to build careers. They go to work.
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whynotshesaid
02/10/09

@trulymadlyme: But didn't you know that all of the people who've been awarded government contracts and hired to work in the public sector don't exist? They are just figments of your socialist-commie-pinko imagination!
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02/10/09

In reply to Obama Urges Republicans To Get With The Program
Note to Republican members of Congress: you lost. Your people are hurting. While you lick your wounds and try to remain relevant to the political process, America is hemorrhaging jobs and Americans are losing their homes in droves. If not stability now, then when? When the "Bush-villes" begin showing up outside your Congressional offices? Whether you like it or not, you know President Obama is right. But you are so entrenched in your sulking and self-pity that you don't want to play ball. Guess what? If you don't get on board and do something soon, the American people may get the idea that you don't care about them and decide in 2010 to send you on an early holiday. Think about it.
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kelsium
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: Their whole attitude seems to be the political equivalent of "well I'll just take my toys and go home!"--and then they break something of yours on the way out.
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NefariousNewt
02/10/09

@kelsium: They don't seem to realize that the American people are being hammered by this recession, and right now, it shows no signs of slowing down. When are they planning on acting?

As Frederick Douglass put it:

"The national edifice is on fire. Every man who can carry a bucket of water or remove a brick is wanted."

He made that quote in regard to enlisting balck soldiers in the cause of liberty, but they hold true now, when each of us must rise up to do what we can. And there is no greater expectation for aid than from our duly elected leaders.
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kimsama
02/10/09

@NefariousNewt: But...but...think of the children!

I can't believe anyone would imply that Republicans' objections to the bailout aren't sincerely a reflection of their party's beliefs: providing a more sustainable future for our children, fiscal responsibility, etc.

Sir, you must surely be ashamed for implying otherwise! ^_~
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