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sybann
11/05/08

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Moe/Megan: it's Hazleton.

Yes, it's spelled wrong (great schools too! Imagine...). I lived near and went to HS at West Hazleton HS.
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starryeyd follows rustyrockets
11/05/08

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I was really weirded out last night when I was asking some friends which way they voted on Prop 8. People are really uninformed about the current laws and about BASIC HUMAN DECENCY. I guess every single religious voter turned out to the polls yesterday. I am currently not speaking to the friends who voted "yes" on 8. I can't handle their Obama-supporting, secretly-homophobic faces today. I know those last two things aren't mutually exclusive, but I feel like they should be. Just grrr.
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Kilotwat
11/05/08

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Just had this thought about Prop 8 passing: discrimination, bigotry, hate, and let's call it for what it is, plain ol' bullying. Those things suck. But with Obama's win, is there any doubt that all those things will evaporate in the heat of progress? We shall overcome.
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leftyleftylou
11/05/08

Except that the Messiah, Obama, is himself against gay marriage, although he says he is open to having his mind changed. Even the messiah is a bigot.@Kilotwat:
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Kilotwat
11/05/08

@leftyleftylou: People change for the better. They just did yesterday. Maybe Obama won't. But there is no doubt gay marriage will across the land.
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eatsshootsleaves
11/05/08

@leftyleftylou: At least he spoke against Proposition 8 and hopefully will create policies that come very close to achieving equality for gay people. I realize that it probably isn't his top priority, but creating nation-wide civil unions will be a huge step forward for gay people everywhere. It's not gay marriage, but once that's in place, all that needs to be changed is the language - which will happen, I am confident in that.
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leftyleftylou
11/05/08

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While I was thrilled to awaken to a world in which racism seems to have taken a back seat to logic, still, I awoke to my state telling me that my wife and I are no longer married. And are not good enough, or equal enough, to hope for that. And my 12 year old had to go to school knowing that at least half of the families there feel his family shouldn't exist. We had to talk him down this morning, but I don't know how to talk myself down. I'm just so sad. Oh yea, there will be a constitutional challenge, because the California Constitution contains an equal protection clause (the section on which the California Supreme Court relied in ruling that gay marriage must be legal), and the new amendment is in direct conflict with that, and there will be years more of litigation, but still: Mormons and Catholics, obviously H8te is the real purpose of your religion. There must not be enough poor or sick people if you had $74 million to spend hating on my family.
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PrettyPrettyPrincess
11/05/08

@leftyleftylou: I grew up in California, raised uber-liberal by fabulously open-minded parents. I've been in Texas for 9 years and I keep holding on to this vision of my home state as a bastion of reason; it hurts that Prop 8 passed there. My heart goes out to you and your family, I wish I could have voted against Prop 8. I dream of the day where hate legislation is a thing of the past. We saw a major barrier fall last night with the election of a black president and I hope that soon, the barriers against the gay marriage will fall as well. Priorities are effed up sometimes, it is shocking that with all the evils of the world, the religious would spend so much money on something so wrong.
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scullymurphy
11/05/08

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Ok enough Prop. 8 doom and gloom. I'm going to instead be heart-warmed over my Edinburgh cabbie chanting O-BA-MA with my husband and I last night as we were returning from the results watching party at 2:00am.

The whole WORLD really loves our new president, peeps!
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NefariousNewt
11/05/08

@scullymurphy: Yes it does. And so do we. :)

How's the weather there, BTW?
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scullymurphy
11/05/08

@NefariousNewt, Serving at the Pleasure of the President-Ele...: TERRIBLE. "Dreich" as my Aberdonian mother-in-law would say. But it was a beautiful, clear, sunny day and gorgeous evening for the Obama victory yesterday!

Oh PS if you need references for your Obama transition staff job there are about 20,000 jezzies who would vouch for you happily.
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mllej
11/05/08

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Bittersweet morning in San Francisco, kids. I was out for No on 8 all fucking day and I really thought we had a shot. We're all in a daze. I don't even know what to say, but I'll add that if the AG decides to make it retroactive and annul all the same sex marriages that have LEGALLY taken place over the past 173 days there will be an epic shitstorm.
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Cafezinha
11/05/08

@mllej: "...if the AG decides to make it retroactive and annul all the same sex marriages that have LEGALLY taken place over the past 173 days there will be an epic shitstorm."

One can only HOPE. That anger will bring this stupid shit DOWN.

I've always talked about gay rights activism in the abstract, but I am now doing with a much bigger scope. I'm waiting for the LGBT Center to process my volunteer app so I can get to business.
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

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Hey, Megan! Can you check on Nate? 538's been down since 4am, and I'm worried soem Jezzie got to hit it before I did.
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chamomile
11/05/08

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Okay, just tuning in here. Is it bad that I'm still crying?

I had to set a friend straight on the myth that Obama was voted in because he is black. Ummm, I'm black, and I can say with conviction that he was voted in DESPITE the fact that he's black. Plus, we all wanted the girls to get that puppy.
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ambitious
11/05/08

@chamomile: Be prepared for lots of this. I've been getting it too. I'm like - wait what? Do Jesse Jackson and Alan Keyes know this?

Quite the switcheroo.
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

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K, some reporters are asking Palin if she feels bad for helping McCain lose, and her voice is quivering... and the Obama in me kinda hates the reporter for making Palin cry.
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NefariousNewt
11/05/08

@ceejeemcbeegee: Poor sportsmanship that. As I said in a previous comment, no matter what you thought of her, she did what she thought was best and now it's over. Let's leave her in peace. McCain too. Change means letting go of our need to feel superior simply because our side won.
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PhillyLass
11/05/08

@ceejeemcbeegee: That's an assy question-- and better asked of McCain, who made the choice to add her to the ticket. It's not like she held one of her hunting rifles to his head and made him choose her.
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

@NefariousNewt, Serving at the Pleasure of the President-Ele...: BTW, ALL the networks are CHOMPING AT THE BIT to get Palin her own TV show.
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

@PhillyLass: You sure about that? ;-)
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50FtQueenie
11/05/08

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In other news: Can you freaking believe that Stevens is currently winning in Alaska right now? WHAT.
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NefariousNewt
11/05/08

@50FtQueenie: Sure. Alaskans know a good person when they see one!
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

@50FtQueenie: Around 7pm LA time/5 pm Alaska time once we'd gotten OH and Penn, CA started flooding AK with phone calls in support of his opponent. It was kinda amazing how many still stood behind Stevens!
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angelheadedhipster
11/05/08

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I love you guys, but Prop 8 was not "whatever" to a lot of people, even those of us not in California. Neither was Arizona or Florida. I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but it sucks for a lot of people right now.
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Penny
11/05/08

@angelheadedhipster: I'm totally depressed. And livid that this happened and dampened by Obama happiness.
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angelheadedhipster
11/05/08

@Archetype: I'm currently writing my Grad School thesis on achieving international human rights for sexual minorities and I just kinda feel like stopping at this point . . . but I hate to bring everyone else down, and a lot of me is really happy about Obama, of course.
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Penny
11/05/08

@angelheadedhipster: I know, I am waiting for someone to tell me to "shut about it, already."

I wasn't going to stay home today but the news totally deflated me.
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NefariousNewt
11/05/08

@Archetype: We need to channel our disappointment into action. In a way, Obama's election showed the way -- change is possible. Let's start here.
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PhillyLass
11/05/08

@angelheadedhipster: The prop 8 decision is exactly why you need to keep going!!
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ZLevee
11/05/08

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I was surprised at how quickly the Republican pundits and media outlets turned around and started acknowledging positive things about Obama. I bet it confused a lot of Republican voters.

But next they started arguing that he was already a centrist and was going to stand up to the Dems in Congress. They didn't ponder this, or be skeptical about it -- they actually made the argument. On Fox news and elsewhere. I found it astounding that they could call Obama the most liberal senator in the mornign and by the evening argue that he was a "maverick" centrist.
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

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K yall.... Condi is tearing up, saying she's "especially proud" I've never seen a bigger smile on her face... damn... she's making me cry!
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NefariousNewt
11/05/08

@ceejeemcbeegee: My wife was wondering if Obama might find a place for Condi somewhere. I think he might, but I'm not sure if anyone in his administration would actually trust her, given her Bush track record.
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

@NefariousNewt, Serving at the Pleasure of the President-Ele...: Seeing Condi say 'As an African American...' confirms my suspicions that she "gets it". But if I were Obama, I wouldn't trust her further than I could throw a truck.
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wildwhuck
11/05/08

@ceejeemcbeegee: i was surprised by her reaction...it really touched me. it makes me wonder if she didn't have her current position if she would have endorsed Barack.

@NefariousNewt, Serving at the Pleasure of the President-Elect: i doubt it; but Colin Powell is a shoe in.
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

@wildwhuck high-fives Obama supporters!: The thing about Powell is that he promised his wife he would not go back into politics. Powell was on the short list (after HRC and Biden) for VP. Powell has been a tremendous influence on Obama, however, I can't see him accepting a full-fledged position.
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
11/05/08

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Hey... what happens to Biden's senate seat? He won in Delaware.
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NefariousNewt
11/05/08

@ceejeemcbeegee: Does the Governor of Delaware choose a replacement? I think that's how it works.
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50FtQueenie
11/05/08

@ceejeemcbeegee: I believe the Governor now has to appoint someone to take Biden's spot.
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eatsshootsleaves
11/05/08

@ceejeemcbeegee: I think his son is going to take over his spot. The Bidens control all of Deleware, practically.
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shewar
11/05/08

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Can someone explain to me what is meant by Prop 8 = Religious Freedom?

WHAT THE FUCK DOES TAKING RIGHTS AWAY FROM PEOPLE HAVE TO DO WITH ANY KIND OF FREEDOM?
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NefariousNewt
11/05/08

@shewar: It's called "The Salem Witch Trial Doctrine."
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Cam/ron
11/05/08

@shewar: It's what George Orwell called "Doublespeak." As in "War is Peace," "Slavery is Freedom."
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eatsshootsleaves
11/05/08

@shewar: My roommate said this to me last night. I was so angry at her bigotry and said that she obviously didn't understand the first amendment. Having gay marriage on a state level has nothing to do with religion. Making gay marriage legal in California doesn't make the Catholic church give gay marriages (though as a Catholic, it should anyway). It's ridiculous.
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PrettyPrettyPrincess
11/05/08

@shewar: It's as moronic as anything we have been hearing from the right for the last 8 years, or from Palin for the last 2 months

I haz a sad for California
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