The majority of that $74 million came from out of California - the other 49 states plus 23 countries. They imported outside agitators from as far away as Sweden. Hundreds of pastors and 10,000s of their congregations moved to California to work fulltime for months on the campaign.
It took a long time to win universal suffrage - for everyone to get a right to vote extended from only white men of property to white men without property to white women to African Americans & other people of color to youth over 18 years of age.
It's the same with this. The Yes on 8 people made it OK to openly discriminate against a group of people. It's our - all of us who believe in equality & justice for all, no matter our personal beliefs about marriage or religion - job to make people as ashamed about doing this as they would be about being openly racist.
Ponder this, a substantial portion of California Obama voters voted Yes on Prop. 8.
My husband and I married in 1993. But we couldn't have gotten married just a few decades before, because it was illegal for whites and people of color to marry - just like in apartheid South Africa. Imagine if that had been encoded in California's Constitution. Imagine if the Emancipation Declaration had to be approved by popular vote. Human rights and civil rights should not be a matter of the popular vote.
We lost - a discriminatory provision taking away civil and human rights was written into a state constitution for the first tine ever anywhere in the U.S. Eighteen thousand couples will have their marriages invalidated. I was hoping against hope, but California voters don't have a great record of doing the right thing (Prop. 22 - anti-LGBT, Prop. 187 - anti-immigrant). I don't know what our next step is - a lawsuit, or bringing another initiative to the voters.
We underestimated our opposition - we were out-organized, out-numbered, out-prepared, out-everything. They were effective with their misleading propaganda that this issue was about recruiting children to become gay/lesbian. We started a little too late and tried to catch up in the last three weeks what we should have been doing for months. We need to take lessons from our opposition and the Obama campaign if we are to succeed next time. Today, I'm in mourning.
I live in SF and I know NO ONE who voted yes on prop 8. I was shocked it passed. I wish gay marriage could at least be legal in SF. No wonder I never like to leave my little progressive bubble of a city. After living in more conservative areas, I could never go back!
My friend did the whole "if you made $250K your money is GONE, to those lazy bums who don't want to work" thing, and you're happy about that?" thing, and I was all,
"Chill, dude. I probably could afford that extra $12 if I made $250K. Whereas now, I cannot."
He also seems to think that we have all been swept away in a wave of starry-eyed magicality, and somehow forgot to actually look at any of the specifics of what Obama plans to do. DOH! I KNEW I had forgotten something!
Not only did CA vote for Prop 8 but they also overwhelmingly voted again the measure for renewable energy in state owned utilities (Prop 7).
I still say that without the bay area CA is just a larger, scarier FL. And frankly, despite lots of good stuff, the bay area still has a hell of a lot of liberal stupid floating around too.
I was really weirded out last night when I was asking some friends which way they voted on Prop 8. People are really uninformed about the current laws and about BASIC HUMAN DECENCY. I guess every single religious voter turned out to the polls yesterday. I am currently not speaking to the friends who voted "yes" on 8. I can't handle their Obama-supporting, secretly-homophobic faces today. I know those last two things aren't mutually exclusive, but I feel like they should be. Just grrr.
I just want to say that I could not have gotten through the presidential campaign without Crappy Hour. Megan, Moe, and friends, you soothed me when I needed to remember that people outside New York City held views similar to my own, and you kept me so much better informed about the nitty gritty stuff than I ever would have been without CH. Thank you for waking up early every day to post this, and for being so effing smart in the first place.
Minnesota really disappointed me last night. Aside from wins for Obama and Ellison, we don't have much to celebrate. Paulsen won over Madia in CD3, Coleman will likely triumph over Franken, and Bachmann still managed a four-point win over El Tinklenberg. I couldn't be happier about Obama's victory, but almost everything else went wrong in MN.
Just had this thought about Prop 8 passing: discrimination, bigotry, hate, and let's call it for what it is, plain ol' bullying. Those things suck. But with Obama's win, is there any doubt that all those things will evaporate in the heat of progress? We shall overcome.
Except that the Messiah, Obama, is himself against gay marriage, although he says he is open to having his mind changed. Even the messiah is a bigot.@Kilotwat:
@leftyleftylou: At least he spoke against Proposition 8 and hopefully will create policies that come very close to achieving equality for gay people. I realize that it probably isn't his top priority, but creating nation-wide civil unions will be a huge step forward for gay people everywhere. It's not gay marriage, but once that's in place, all that needs to be changed is the language - which will happen, I am confident in that.
While I was thrilled to awaken to a world in which racism seems to have taken a back seat to logic, still, I awoke to my state telling me that my wife and I are no longer married. And are not good enough, or equal enough, to hope for that. And my 12 year old had to go to school knowing that at least half of the families there feel his family shouldn't exist. We had to talk him down this morning, but I don't know how to talk myself down. I'm just so sad. Oh yea, there will be a constitutional challenge, because the California Constitution contains an equal protection clause (the section on which the California Supreme Court relied in ruling that gay marriage must be legal), and the new amendment is in direct conflict with that, and there will be years more of litigation, but still: Mormons and Catholics, obviously H8te is the real purpose of your religion. There must not be enough poor or sick people if you had $74 million to spend hating on my family.
@leftyleftylou: I grew up in California, raised uber-liberal by fabulously open-minded parents. I've been in Texas for 9 years and I keep holding on to this vision of my home state as a bastion of reason; it hurts that Prop 8 passed there. My heart goes out to you and your family, I wish I could have voted against Prop 8. I dream of the day where hate legislation is a thing of the past. We saw a major barrier fall last night with the election of a black president and I hope that soon, the barriers against the gay marriage will fall as well. Priorities are effed up sometimes, it is shocking that with all the evils of the world, the religious would spend so much money on something so wrong.
Ok enough Prop. 8 doom and gloom. I'm going to instead be heart-warmed over my Edinburgh cabbie chanting O-BA-MA with my husband and I last night as we were returning from the results watching party at 2:00am.
The whole WORLD really loves our new president, peeps!
Bittersweet morning in San Francisco, kids. I was out for No on 8 all fucking day and I really thought we had a shot. We're all in a daze. I don't even know what to say, but I'll add that if the AG decides to make it retroactive and annul all the same sex marriages that have LEGALLY taken place over the past 173 days there will be an epic shitstorm.
@mllej: "...if the AG decides to make it retroactive and annul all the same sex marriages that have LEGALLY taken place over the past 173 days there will be an epic shitstorm."
One can only HOPE. That anger will bring this stupid shit DOWN.
I've always talked about gay rights activism in the abstract, but I am now doing with a much bigger scope. I'm waiting for the LGBT Center to process my volunteer app so I can get to business.
Okay, just tuning in here. Is it bad that I'm still crying?
I had to set a friend straight on the myth that Obama was voted in because he is black. Ummm, I'm black, and I can say with conviction that he was voted in DESPITE the fact that he's black. Plus, we all wanted the girls to get that puppy.
11/06/08
It took a long time to win universal suffrage - for everyone to get a right to vote extended from only white men of property to white men without property to white women to African Americans & other people of color to youth over 18 years of age.
It's the same with this. The Yes on 8 people made it OK to openly discriminate against a group of people. It's our - all of us who believe in equality & justice for all, no matter our personal beliefs about marriage or religion - job to make people as ashamed about doing this as they would be about being openly racist.
Ponder this, a substantial portion of California Obama voters voted Yes on Prop. 8.
My husband and I married in 1993. But we couldn't have gotten married just a few decades before, because it was illegal for whites and people of color to marry - just like in apartheid South Africa. Imagine if that had been encoded in California's Constitution. Imagine if the Emancipation Declaration had to be approved by popular vote. Human rights and civil rights should not be a matter of the popular vote.
We lost - a discriminatory provision taking away civil and human rights was written into a state constitution for the first tine ever anywhere in the U.S. Eighteen thousand couples will have their marriages invalidated. I was hoping against hope, but California voters don't have a great record of doing the right thing (Prop. 22 - anti-LGBT, Prop. 187 - anti-immigrant). I don't know what our next step is - a lawsuit, or bringing another initiative to the voters.
We underestimated our opposition - we were out-organized, out-numbered, out-prepared, out-everything. They were effective with their misleading propaganda that this issue was about recruiting children to become gay/lesbian. We started a little too late and tried to catch up in the last three weeks what we should have been doing for months. We need to take lessons from our opposition and the Obama campaign if we are to succeed next time. Today, I'm in mourning.
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"Chill, dude. I probably could afford that extra $12 if I made $250K. Whereas now, I cannot."
He also seems to think that we have all been swept away in a wave of starry-eyed magicality, and somehow forgot to actually look at any of the specifics of what Obama plans to do. DOH! I KNEW I had forgotten something!
11/05/08
Yes, it's spelled wrong (great schools too! Imagine...). I lived near and went to HS at West Hazleton HS.
11/05/08
I still say that without the bay area CA is just a larger, scarier FL. And frankly, despite lots of good stuff, the bay area still has a hell of a lot of liberal stupid floating around too.
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The whole WORLD really loves our new president, peeps!
11/05/08
How's the weather there, BTW?
11/05/08
Oh PS if you need references for your Obama transition staff job there are about 20,000 jezzies who would vouch for you happily.
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One can only HOPE. That anger will bring this stupid shit DOWN.
I've always talked about gay rights activism in the abstract, but I am now doing with a much bigger scope. I'm waiting for the LGBT Center to process my volunteer app so I can get to business.
11/05/08
I'm trying to stay positive... at least the chickens and cows and other farm animals have rights.
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I had to set a friend straight on the myth that Obama was voted in because he is black. Ummm, I'm black, and I can say with conviction that he was voted in DESPITE the fact that he's black. Plus, we all wanted the girls to get that puppy.
11/05/08
Quite the switcheroo.