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missdelite
10/21/09

In reply to Superfreakonomics Authors Ask: Why Aren't More Women Prostitutes?
Allie's a pro which means she's mastered the art of flattery.

Her life is "great", the men are "gentlemen" and I totally "believe" her. #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/21/09

@missdelite: The thing is, I really believe it's possible to be happy as an escort, or at least happier than some people would be as strippers, stay-at-home wives or even office workers (especially if people like drawing attention to your body, as seems to be the case in Allie's life). But like you say, how would we know? Lying is these people's bread and butter. That expression about prostitutes, 'You don't pay them for sex, you pay them to leave' is horribly naive when it comes to high-end escorts. So many of these guys end up being 'addicted' not to the sex, but to yes-women who pretend they care about their dreams and jobs and how no one understands them. It's got to me as emotionally draining as it is sexually. #prostitution
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missdelite
10/21/09

@HeatherNumber1: Absolutely.
The hard part too is separating yourself from the lies. Where does working Allie end and real Allie begin? #prostitution
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Dancingfrog
10/20/09

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Why aren't more women prostitutes? Because most prostitutes in the world are not upscale ones who make $500 an hour. Most are forced into through force, slavery, or dire circumstances. While for a small percentage of people it's empowering to be able to just have sex and some convo and make $500 a hour, many want to do other things with their lives.

As for the classic comparison of trophy wives to prostitutes, it's still just as stupid as it was all those years ago. There's the issue of monogamy and of a legal contract. But there's also the issue of still acting like calling women "trophy wives" is somehow a reasonable, enlightened observation. It isn't. #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/21/09

@Dancingfrog: As with slut and cougar, I'm still waiting for the slur for the male involved with a trophy wife or gold digger. Why don't guys stupid enough to have women marry them for their money get a term... or are the authors convinced every guy would do it if he could, naturally? #prostitution
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LvV
10/20/09

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I am just so fucking OVER listening to men wax on about how supercool and awesome high-end prostitution can be. I've had to listen to it since my first day of graduate school (sociology) in 1994 and it is no less stupid now than it ever was. Just sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up already, gentlemen. #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/21/09

@LvV: Most guys can barely take a woman who's had more sexual partner than them – I wonder how many of them would marry a woman who presently or used to be a prostitute.

I'm also curious how many of them have used the term 'whore' before.

What? You don't want an occupation that is the basis for one of the most ubiquitous slurs of all time? #prostitution
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SonicNapoleonic
10/20/09

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Damn, where do I sign up for this gig!? Who knew prostitution was so glamorous? I mean, when they put it that way, who wouldn't want to have sex for money with gentlemen? It's SO awesome!
But really, I get the race and class difference and the upper class chick doesn't HAVE to go into being a whore but chooses to. The other gal seems to be turning tricks for survival. I'm calling shenanigans on these authors. FAIL. #prostitution
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madeofawesome
10/20/09

@SonicNapoleonic: While I agree with your overall point, I don't think you should call Allie a whore. She's doing what she wants to with her body, which is one of the hallmarks of Feminism. Her body, her choice. You may not agree with her choice, but respect her right to make it by not calling her derogatory names. #prostitution
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woodsey
10/20/09

@aspiretolove: I think SonicNapoleonic is using 'whore' in the literal meaning of the word, which is prostitute, just as she is using 'chick' and 'gal' to mean 'woman'. #prostitution
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madeofawesome
10/20/09

@woodsey: Ah...I understand. Sorry, I just get a little touchy about words like "slut," and "whore." #prostitution
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MagsCO
10/21/09

@aspiretolove: "Whore" is an ugly word, but here I don't think it's inappropriate. Whore is another word for prostitute, and Allie is a prostitute.

I think these writers, and lots of American men, see the college degree and the nice bedroom and good grooming and somehow convince themselves that high end "escorts" are not prostitutes, or whores. Then they can believe that hiring an escort is somehow better than picking up a hooker on the street. It's the same thing, just in a prettier package and way more expensive. #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/21/09

@aspiretolove: I just wrote this up thread (and have got to stop posting in this!), but that right there could be a major revelation for the authors – how many times have they used the term 'whore' as a slur against a woman? And they can't figure out why women wouldn't want to prove them right? #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/21/09

@MagsCO: Word. #prostitution
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bluesbelle
10/20/09

In reply to Superfreakonomics Authors Ask: Why Aren't More Women Prostitutes?
"She sells men the opportunity to trade in their existing wives for a younger, more sexually adventurous version -" This line totally implies that it is a given that younger women are more desirable (and more adventurous) then older women. #prostitution
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rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny
10/20/09

@bluesbelle: It implies no such thing, it states that her customers want someone who is both young and sexually adventurous. No given is implied, it's a service offered not a value judgment.

Like if I offered you the opportunity to trade in your car for a newer, sportier model. It does't say that one is better than the other in all cases, merely that the opportunity is available. #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/20/09

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I wonder if they'll do an update – a sex worker friend of mine is definitely feeling the effects of the recession right now. #prostitution
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lisas
10/20/09

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Well I don't know about you guys, but the murder rate for prostitutes being over 100 times higher than for any other profession is a big turn-off for me. Also, FUCKING FOR MONEY.

God damn it I should know better than to read articles about prostitution written by men. #prostitution
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jenilane
10/20/09

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"You're so beautiful...you could be a high class prostitute (high class high class)." #prostitution
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Kitten is an 80s rocker
10/20/09

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Why become a prostitute when I can get fucked by the patriarchy on the daily? #prostitution
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
10/20/09

In reply to Superfreakonomics Authors Ask: Why Aren't More Women Prostitutes?
Apparently we're all "too stupid?" #prostitution
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Our Lady of the Massacre
10/20/09

In reply to Superfreakonomics Authors Ask: Why Aren't More Women Prostitutes?
I still can't believe how far Levitt and Dubner missed the mark. The question is not "Why don't more women choose prostitution?"; it's "Why do women who consciously choose prostitution choose it, and how are they different from women who pursue conventional jobs?"
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DinosaurDanceParty
10/20/09

In reply to Superfreakonomics Authors Ask: Why Aren't More Women Prostitutes?
Probably because some people have a nice imagine in their mind of an attractive older gentlemen who the lady has nice sex with and then he wants to take her out to dinner like on Mad Men. But in reality the people who hire prostitutes are probably kind of gross. And to me, the idea of having sex with someone no matter what they look like or smell like or how old they are is disgusting. Along with doing all kinds crazy shit in bed. But maybe that is what you like! None of that is what I like so it is one of the many reasons I am not a prostitute. Also this just pisses me off since I work in the financial industry and I am constantly surrounded by men and I KNOW that most of them treat me differently since I am a woman, and I hate this ha-ha sex workers and strippers make soooo much money and are super hot those girls are so smart! attitude. It's a profession like any other, but there's a lot of bullshit that comes along with those jobs that a lot of men don't want to acknowledge.

edit: hmmm I realize I can't really articulate my feelings on this and this came out sounding kind of offensive to me. Bah too early!
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blueberryblackberry
10/20/09

@DinosaurDanceParty:

In reality the people who hire prostitutes and other sex workers are a lot like other people. They are your co-workers, family members, teachers, and friends, even if you don't know it. #prostitution
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DinosaurDanceParty
10/20/09

@blueberryblackberry: Oh yeah for sure, I'm just saying that there has to be some weirdos out there now and again. I have a friend who sometime says "I want to be an escort! Going out with rich old men!" Like she's going to be having luxurious sex with George Clooney every night. I imagine most of the clients are very average, like the average people you see on the street. And I usually want to have sex with about .001% of the people I see everyday, and the though of having sex with a man 30 years older than me who looks like my high school science teacher is more than disturbing. Which is why this is not my field of choice. #prostitution
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Jenloveshercurves
10/20/09

@blueberryblackberry: And some of my coworkers, friends, teachers and family members are creepy as all hell and I would never in a million years ever want to fuck them. #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/20/09

@DinosaurDanceParty: I think you hit the nail on the head. Plenty of us still work in industries or with people who still see women as intruders and as good for only one thing. The authors make it seem like only men could possibly look to a career for personal fulfillment (versus money), so ladies, why don't you do something that will *really* be appreciated? #prostitution
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lisas
10/20/09

@blueberryblackberry: Except they're also the sort of man who would use poverty to sexually exploit someone. So, alike but different in a significant way. #prostitution
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DinosaurDanceParty
10/20/09

@HeatherNumber1: Exactly. I have many (mostly older) men in my work enviornment who call me "sweetie" and ask me to do things like get them a cup of coffee or take a message for my boss, even though I am not his secretary. I know this is partly because I am younger, but it is still demeaning and they don't treat the other young male associates this way. I hate constantly having to "prove" myself and work harder because I know some men only see a woman's value in her sexuality or ability to please a man.

So yeah, high-class escorts make a lot of money. So do some stock brokers. So do doctors. So do dentists. My dentist works less than 40 hours a week and his car costs more than my salary. Gay male escorts can make a TON of money, why don't most guys do that? #prostitution
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judgingamy
10/20/09

@blueberryblackberry: I wanna say, and this is based purely on speculation, that johns are more likely to be into weird shit than men who don't frequent prostitutes. I suppose my basis assumes that a lot of women aren't into weird shit which of course isn't true, but the thought occurred to me because of Eliot Spitzer. He wasn't just paying for sex. He was paying for really weird sex that he wanted exactly his way.
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/20/09

@judgingnora: 'Exactly his way' is an important point. Again, do these authors think that women married to rich men aren't allowed to make any demands in bed in terms of their own pleasure? #prostitution
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Bunsy
10/20/09

@judgingnora: Plus, you couldn't PAY ME to hax sex w Eliot Spitzer (w or w/o the socks), I don't care how much one makes... major ick.

For some reason, I can only sleep with men I really like and are (sort of) nuts about me, too. Call me crazy. #prostitution
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aureliajones
10/20/09

@HeatherNumber1: You know, a lot of men who visit prostitutes are really into getting them off. Bet you didn't know that! #prostitution
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blueberryblackberry
10/20/09

@lisas: Not all sex workers are poor when they start working, or poor while they work. #prostitution
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blueberryblackberry
10/20/09

@judgingnora: I deal exclusively with clients who are into what you would call "weird shit" (no offense taken), and I enjoy it immensely. Certainly sometimes clients do seek out professionals to do kinky things they don't feel like their wives would accept...I don't know what percentage of the time that's true for different kinds of escorts. #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/21/09

@aureliajones: I did, actually. Or they at least want their escort to seem like she's enjoying DATY.

The comment above about the guy 'wooing' prostitutes sounds pretty familiar. I think I wrote this somewhere else, but Pretty Woman had way more of an impact on johns than prostitutes. #prostitution
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sarasasa
10/20/09

In reply to Superfreakonomics Authors Ask: Why Aren't More Women Prostitutes?
I often wonder why I'm not a high-end prostitute. Then I remember that I'd rather have a job than be treated like a trophy wife. #prostitution
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blueberryblackberry
10/20/09

@sarasasa: Sex work is a job. #prostitution
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5ft of fury
10/20/09

@blueberryblackberry: It's also illegal in most places. Which is ANOTHER reason most women don't want to become sex workers. Why have a job that doesn't pay benefits, has a high risk of violence and STIs, and the risk of going to jail, is socially unacceptable, thrives off of racial and class inequality, and is perpetuated by patriarchal views of women's bodies as commodities? Most women would only go into sex work if it were their last resort. #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/21/09

@5ft of fury: I hope the authors are vigilant in fighting to legalize prostitution and sex workers' rights. As it is, low-end prostitutes can't even count on having their cases investigated thoroughly if they're murdered. #prostitution
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5ft of fury
10/21/09

@Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!: I wish there was a way to make sex work safer without supporting prostitution as an industry. Its tough because I feel that sex workers need to be protected and supported(especially since so many are forced into prostitution) but legalization of prostitution doesn't fix one of the more central problems of prostitution-the power imbalance between men and women and the view that someone's body is something to be bought and sold. #prostitution
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Tchotchke
10/20/09

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Just out of curiosity: Does anyone have any recommendations for books on the topic of prostitution? I'm interested in learning more about it from an economic/sociological standpoint but can't seem to navigate through the Amazon.com recommendations (a search that turns up Ron Jeremy's books is not exactly helpful). A high school teacher of mine once recommended a book about the brothels in Nevada, but the title of that book eludes me. #prostitution
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Uncommon Whore
10/20/09

@Tchotchke: Probably not exactly what you are looking for but interesting nonetheless is Spoiled Doves, a look at prostitution in the old west and how many women were able to gain financial independence from it. My mom bought it for me.

[search.barnesandnoble.com]
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Tchotchke
10/20/09

@all: Wonderful! Thank you! :-) #prostitution
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/20/09

@Tchotchke: Again not from an economic perspective, but The Price is about one of those white, good looking girls from a good background who ended up charging thousands of dollars an hour for sex. On the one hand, she genuinely enjoyed sex, just like Allie. On the other, she was a drug addict and ended up in prison thanks to Eliot Spitzer.

[www.amazon.com] #prostitution
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hollygirl
10/20/09

@Uncommon Whore: try this column from NY Times
[select.nytimes.com] #prostitution
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hollygirl
10/20/09

@Tchotchke: try this for a start:
[select.nytimes.com] #prostitution
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boobookitt
10/20/09

In reply to Superfreakonomics Authors Ask: Why Aren't More Women Prostitutes?
Why aren't more women prostitutes?

I don't know. Why don't you two go out and work as pros for a couple months and report back with your answer? #prostitution
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ginseng_you_sing
10/20/09

@boobookitteh: Indeed. I was thinking the same thing. Since a prostitute like Allie is able to make so much money and set her own hours, wouldn't more men want to jump on that boat? #prostitution
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