Having been brought low by an unforgiving audience, a spanish member of the musical "Cats" rips apart a picture of last night's crowd in the morning light. #worldwildlifefund
For anyone interested in this kind of connection, definitely try Kenyan activist (and Nobel Prize winner) Wangari Maathai's The Challenge for Africa. She explains in clear, general language the connection between the environment and the economy, and how women and the poor are most affected. She gives examples from her own country as well as other African nations and its worth looking at. I know I've recommended it before, but it's because I believe in it :)
Unfortunately, climate change does and will disproportionately affect people in lower rungs of society, in less developed countries, and in already iffy climates. As in, the people who already get the short end of the stick will be even more screwed. We saw why in Hurricane Katrina. Those with ample resources were able to leave before it got too bad. Those who didn't were stuck, and then after they lost everything along with everyone else were less able to recoup.
Well of course we have to try to reign in climate change as much as possible and adapt where we can't make a fix.
Humans are fairly resilient and good at adapting when necessary.
Unfortunately, when change happens too fast for us to keep up with, people will suffer and/or die.
I don't imagine "women's work" will be redefined in these countries any time soon (or soon enough to make a difference). So, hopefully the issues at hand can be addressed in practical ways.
My off-the-cuff suggestions:
For long treks to get water and wood: Irrigation and water delivery systems built and maintained. Alternative fuel use.
For educational disadvantages - schools for girls and women only, with alternate hours of attendance, and perhaps location closer to women's gathering places.
I think it's really important that we keep talking about climate change on a global scale. The cars we drive, the plastic bags we use, the water bottles we buy and toss in the trash- these things affect everyone.
@NellMood: Though as someone who buys so strongly into all of that (e.g. I'm 29 and have never owned a car, and generally I just walk places vs the bus, I'm a vegetarian, etc), I also recognize that I'm lucky to have the chance to make those choices. I couldn't be carless in Wyoming, or carry my reusable bags with me everywhere if I were also trying to handle a few kids and all of their stuff.
@Laulau: Absolutely- it's a huge luxury to have the opportunity of choosing a low-impact lifestyle. I do think it's important that we try, though. It's not hard to keep a few reusable bags in your purse or in the diaper bag, and it's much cheaper to buy a reusable water bottle than to buy plastic ones every day. People just need to start incorporating these things into their daily habits.
This is my answer the next time some idiot says to me, "If global warming is real, how come I need a sweater today?" Stupid gits. Let me introduce you to a little concept we call science...
@willwriteforfood: that idiot would be my father. it's a regualar argument around his house. he doesn't want to understand that it is 'global climate change'- not exactly global warming.
I wanted to stand up and say, "what part of GLOBAL warming do you not get? It is the average temperature of the WORLD that is warming, not this city's temperature at 2pm this afternoon, you jackass. What, are you going to wait until your Florida beachfront property is 10 feet underwater before you realize this is for real?"
We've been eating all home cooked, organic food on a really tight budget for a few years now. Because of my much lighter work schedule I am the day-to-day cook. I am not a "let's plan our meals for the week" type. I like to cook when I'm in the mood but find daily meal preparation tedious.
What has made it all work for me is training and accumulated knowledge. Most good cookbooks have a "pantry" section. It makes a huge difference to have a stocked pantry and freezer. Familiarity with a lot of different cooking techniques and food combinations also helps. Mark Bittman periodically does lists of 100 simple recipes around a theme in the NY Times which are great for ideas (not to be his agent but his cookbook "How to Cook Everything" is equally great for ideas.)
There are a lot of healthy meals that can be made in a half hour or less. My typical mental process is -- I really don't feel like cooking, we could have x and all I would need to do is cut up those 2 vegetables, throw the other frozen vegetable in, do y with the grain from the pantry that will take 10 minutes and cook that protein that will take 5, that actually sounds pretty good, I'm going to make that right now because I'm really hungry. Also, when the mood strikes I make big pots of soups and stews that we eat for lunch a few days and freeze the leftovers.
I do really get how tedious cooking can be, but I also think we have all been a bit brainwashed by the food industry to default to convenience foods. Fresh, home-cooked food doesn't have to be that time-consuming.
@SophieP: Hear, hear! You are my role model. I am slowly trying to adapt habits (tough while in grad school, but I am determined...) to do exactly this.
I think people should stop patting themselves on the back over food already. Let's be grateful we have it, we can afford the luxury of choosing between organic and non-organic produce, and that we're healthy and well-nourished.
In the smallish Midwestern town where I live, we have a very popular farmer's market. And I think it's great - I love to shop there myself - but not necessarily because it's local, or the eggs don't come from chicken factories, or certain booths are organic. I think it's great because it brings a sense of occasion and wholeness back to food. When I go to farmer's market, I go with an eye for what I want to cook. The food becomes a part of my life - not just an afterthought. I can talk to the people who grow it and find out how to eat kohlrabi, or why certain bees are dying off but my honey lady is well-stocked.
And let me tell you, a bunch of radishes never appealed to me before I saw loads of them piled high next to carrots still muddy from the ground, and bunches of zucchini, and glossy eggplants all from a local farm. Somehow, I never feel the food calling to me in the same way at the supermarket.
And lastly, I think food is - or should be - about the sharing and connecting aspect of mealtimes. Which is why gender in the kitchen is not an issue for me. I like to cook. My boyfriend doesn't know how. But he doesn't expect me to make him food, and I love it when I have more of an occasion to cook a meal and share it with someone. I feel like you could easily swap our genders and have the same situation. Food is about humanity.
I agree that there is way too much talk focusing on what happens on an individual level. But I think the larger aspect of nutrition needs to be addressed. Not as preachy, "this is best for you" campaign, but simply, focusing on the fact that lifestyles, in general, are not conducive to people having the time, or desire, to cook. Cooking has been turned, largely, into a hobby, and that's probably the biggest difference with previous generations, where cooking was simply part of living because, you know, it was the only way to have something to eat. I have no idea what the solution might be. Pushing companies and workplaces to create different schedules for their employees? A new approach to cooking as another path to a better nutrition? Limitations on certain types of instant food available to people? (which actually sounds kind of crazy, I know.)
I don't know. But I think that whatever it is, it should address the social issue, not just the one about nutrition and health.
The culture conversation is a critical one, largely also tied to the number of hours Americans are "required" to spend at their desks.
There's also the issue of communal subcultural practices being subsumed by the larger culture, and then there's what Penny brings up in her comment about labeling and organic produce.
It's a long conversation, but I've been looking for a cookbook like Bryant Terry's for a long time, as a partial solution. So thanks for interviewing him and bringing it into the mix.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: I have Bryant Terry's cookbook and it is AMAZING! The BBQ Black Eyed Peas are a staple in my house. I really recommend it and give it all the stars in the sky.
What bothers me the most about these discussions is that they often leave out the role of the school or workplace in our eating habits. We've shifted away from workplaces or living situations where meals were provided at a central location or time off for meals was sufficient to go home. Many fewer people work on farms or in domestic service, where meals were provided, even if not for free. My grandparents both worked in textile mills where lunch was an unpaid hour in which one could go home for a hot meal, and my mother's school permitted all students to go home for lunch as well. People have to report to work and school earlier than they did at midcentury, travel further to work, stay later, and take less time for lunch. Families often need two working parents to provide necessities, not luxuries. That can require that both partners be willing and able to cook as the situation demands, and any household with two working parents can testify to how that generally works out.
Bottom line, if it's to be important to us that someone in the household be cooking, schools and workplaces need to support that before anything will change. And because I'm a cynic like that, I don't see it happening any time soon.
@TheFormerJuneBronson: Yes, definitely. The social/lifestyle aspect is key. How can people cook when their work/school schedule is so busy that they don't have any free time left? Or when you have to spend a good part of your day commuting, for example? Like I mentioned above, I have no idea what the solution might be. Maybe an approach toward flexible work schedules and working from home? That could be part of it. Stricter guidelines for labeling and marketing certain products, which in turn might lead to stricter guidelines for the food available in schools and daycare centers? I don't know. It is so difficult, because most of us live based on hectic schedules. I was talking recently to a friend who still lives in my hometown and she was wondering how the hell did our mothers do it, because she really doesn't have the time or energy to cook for her daughters, except in the weekends. And of course, I had to reply that in my case, my mother did it because my grandmother was available, and she cooked and took care of all those things so my mother wouldn't have to. But what can you do when you don't have that luxury? Again, work schedules are part of the answer, but I don't know how that could be addressed.
@Casquivana: My partner and I cook dinner almost every night and we both work full time, often long (10+ hour) shifts. What works for us is planning.
Every weekend we make a menu for the upcoming week and do all the shopping for that week with a comprehensive list. It takes two hours at the most, start to finish (when you have that list at the market, man does the shopping go quickly.) We've been doing it for a couple years now and the difference it makes is amazing. Not only do we eat fresh, unprocessed food three meals a day, we don't have to think about what to make for dinner when we get home at night, it's already been decided. Additionally, we have pretty much zero food waste- everything gets eaten. We also plan weeknight meals that will generate leftovers for lunches the next day, or even for two or three days, so we're eating home cooked food at pretty much every meal. And our grocery bill is the same amount every week, because we can plan to eat simpler food on weeks that we need to make big purchases (detergents, cat food) and get the imported olives the next week.
My point is that for a lot of people, cooking at home is like anything else- it takes time and effort and organization but once you get used to it, once it becomes routine, it can become easy and not a huge production but rather a natural part of each day. Even when that day includes an hour commuting time and 12 hours at a desk.
Admittedly, it makes a big difference to have someone who shares in every aspect of it equally. But the weeks when he's away, or when I'm away, whoever is home sticks to the routine. It's really all about planning ahead and sticking with it, whether it's for one person or ten.
@slowpoke.r: I also do the mealplanning thing, though I and boyfriend red tend to go for 3 or so planned days, then try to use up our leftover vegetables with some pantry stuff until we feel like going on a shopping expedition again. We enjoy cooking, so we're willing to usually eat between 8 and 10 pm; on nights when we are working on projects or I go out running before dinner it's not uncommon for us to start cooking at 7:30 or 8 and eat at 9:30 (several times we've eaten at 11 but that's really pushing it into Italian mealtime territory). We like eating fresh produce and homemade sauces and homemade flatbreads and so on, so it can be really rewarding and pleasurable. But just because we're willing to do this doesn't mean it should be expected of everyone, because if you don't enjoy it, why would you invest your time like that? I think in addition to the push for home cooking there should be an equal push for processed supermarket (or small-scale kitchen-made, for that matter) options with less crap in them.
@takeitasred: Oh no, I wouldn't expect it from anyone! All I'm saying is that it can be easier than it's made out to be, to eat home made stuff. I've met people who are shocked that we "cook that much" and it seems that they think we're spending a lot more time, energy, and money than we are- that it's much more involved to eat healthfully at home than it is. I certainly don't think it's morally superior or anything, but I do think it can be done by a lot more people, and since people genuinely seem to want to do it but don't know how I thought I'd give an example.
My MIL used to work for a place where you could go and make several "home made" meals that you'd then take home and freeze. I think places like that are awesome and we need more of them (and cheaper ones, it was a little pricey) as well as higher quality prepared foods (like they have at WF) in every supermarket. (She now works for TJ's, which I think is a pretty decent place for processed, inexpensive foods.) A lot of people don't have access to these types of choices and that's really the problem.
Another issue: it took years for my partner to adjust his tastebuds to enjoying home cooked food more than Chinese takeout, so I think we're working against some very strong learned tastes. I'm not sure how easy it is for people to make that transition to fresh whole foods if they've eaten mostly processed stuff in their life.
But the biggest issues are ease and availability, and I was just trying to show that it can be done without killing yourself, eating up all your free time, or breaking the bank. Basically, I think we probably agree.
@slowpoke.r: Heh, I think we do basically agree. Far be it from me to argue against someone who has found a way to efficiently cook in a way they enjoy and which is healthy, too! I just feel like sometimes the rhetoric surrounding healthy food is all about doing everything yourself regardless of any other obstacle like time or other interests - like Michael Pollan's recent NYT article which argued people are watching cooking shows more but cooking less themselves, the tone of which was kinda, "we should all get back into the kitchen." There's no reason that nutritional, good food should be an elitist thing, a gourmet thing, or something you can only achieve by personal sacrifice.
It was that aspect of the general argument, from many sources, that I was meaning to refute, not your comment specifically, though since I was responding to your comment that wasn't exactly clear. I apologize.
On that note, I should say that I can vouch for the meal planning strategy - in half an hour or less you can think of or look up several meals, make up a list, buy the stuff you need and not throw out half your produce when it goes bad because you've only bought what you need. And it gives me a good excuse to look up new recipes and try stuff I otherwise wouldn't try. I also make enough for leftovers and it saves me the time of throwing together a sandwich in the morning. But it's not perfect, I still buy lunch sometimes, and sometimes my boyfriend and I still have meals of dried pasta, tomato sauce and random vegetables because we didn't have time to go shopping. C'est la vie.
I think it's difficult, as a culture, to have such a discordant and complicated relationship with food, and not have it translated into the same relationship with the body. Which is at the core of most eating/body related issues.
A lot of it is because we assign moral, as opposed to nutritional, values to foods. Which then gets translated into the same ideas about different body types, and then the people who have them.
If we start viewing all of this as related, we start being able to really get at the problem. Which starts at what, how, and why we eat (other than the obvious, which is to live).
The only thing I'd say in slight disagreement is that there's a lot of talk of "organic" food and while it's certainly not wrong to eat that way, it's not necessarily "better" than eating non-organic when we're talking about vegetables and fruits and things like that. Organic food doesn't, so far as any research indicates, more nutritional value. And it still uses pesticides and other things or they'd be eaten by bugs and whatnot (thank, you, Penn and Teller's Bullshit).
This is not to say we shouldn't eat organic, but it's important not to view that as some kind of food savior. It's possible to eat well and not be primarily organic. A lot of the language around organic food still uses that same moral phrasing, and I just don't think that's ultimately helpful.
@tiredfairy: In general, I think organic is better than non-organic, but in this day and age when large factory farms have co-opted the organic label, it definitely is not an environmental and health savior.
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Humans are fairly resilient and good at adapting when necessary.
Unfortunately, when change happens too fast for us to keep up with, people will suffer and/or die.
I don't imagine "women's work" will be redefined in these countries any time soon (or soon enough to make a difference). So, hopefully the issues at hand can be addressed in practical ways.
My off-the-cuff suggestions:
For long treks to get water and wood: Irrigation and water delivery systems built and maintained. Alternative fuel use.
For educational disadvantages - schools for girls and women only, with alternate hours of attendance, and perhaps location closer to women's gathering places.
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I wanted to stand up and say, "what part of GLOBAL warming do you not get? It is the average temperature of the WORLD that is warming, not this city's temperature at 2pm this afternoon, you jackass. What, are you going to wait until your Florida beachfront property is 10 feet underwater before you realize this is for real?"
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08/22/09
What has made it all work for me is training and accumulated knowledge. Most good cookbooks have a "pantry" section. It makes a huge difference to have a stocked pantry and freezer. Familiarity with a lot of different cooking techniques and food combinations also helps. Mark Bittman periodically does lists of 100 simple recipes around a theme in the NY Times which are great for ideas (not to be his agent but his cookbook "How to Cook Everything" is equally great for ideas.)
There are a lot of healthy meals that can be made in a half hour or less. My typical mental process is -- I really don't feel like cooking, we could have x and all I would need to do is cut up those 2 vegetables, throw the other frozen vegetable in, do y with the grain from the pantry that will take 10 minutes and cook that protein that will take 5, that actually sounds pretty good, I'm going to make that right now because I'm really hungry. Also, when the mood strikes I make big pots of soups and stews that we eat for lunch a few days and freeze the leftovers.
I do really get how tedious cooking can be, but I also think we have all been a bit brainwashed by the food industry to default to convenience foods. Fresh, home-cooked food doesn't have to be that time-consuming.
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In the smallish Midwestern town where I live, we have a very popular farmer's market. And I think it's great - I love to shop there myself - but not necessarily because it's local, or the eggs don't come from chicken factories, or certain booths are organic. I think it's great because it brings a sense of occasion and wholeness back to food. When I go to farmer's market, I go with an eye for what I want to cook. The food becomes a part of my life - not just an afterthought. I can talk to the people who grow it and find out how to eat kohlrabi, or why certain bees are dying off but my honey lady is well-stocked.
And let me tell you, a bunch of radishes never appealed to me before I saw loads of them piled high next to carrots still muddy from the ground, and bunches of zucchini, and glossy eggplants all from a local farm. Somehow, I never feel the food calling to me in the same way at the supermarket.
And lastly, I think food is - or should be - about the sharing and connecting aspect of mealtimes. Which is why gender in the kitchen is not an issue for me. I like to cook. My boyfriend doesn't know how. But he doesn't expect me to make him food, and I love it when I have more of an occasion to cook a meal and share it with someone. I feel like you could easily swap our genders and have the same situation. Food is about humanity.
08/21/09
I don't know. But I think that whatever it is, it should address the social issue, not just the one about nutrition and health.
08/21/09
There's also the issue of communal subcultural practices being subsumed by the larger culture, and then there's what Penny brings up in her comment about labeling and organic produce.
It's a long conversation, but I've been looking for a cookbook like Bryant Terry's for a long time, as a partial solution. So thanks for interviewing him and bringing it into the mix.
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Bottom line, if it's to be important to us that someone in the household be cooking, schools and workplaces need to support that before anything will change. And because I'm a cynic like that, I don't see it happening any time soon.
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Every weekend we make a menu for the upcoming week and do all the shopping for that week with a comprehensive list. It takes two hours at the most, start to finish (when you have that list at the market, man does the shopping go quickly.) We've been doing it for a couple years now and the difference it makes is amazing. Not only do we eat fresh, unprocessed food three meals a day, we don't have to think about what to make for dinner when we get home at night, it's already been decided. Additionally, we have pretty much zero food waste- everything gets eaten. We also plan weeknight meals that will generate leftovers for lunches the next day, or even for two or three days, so we're eating home cooked food at pretty much every meal. And our grocery bill is the same amount every week, because we can plan to eat simpler food on weeks that we need to make big purchases (detergents, cat food) and get the imported olives the next week.
My point is that for a lot of people, cooking at home is like anything else- it takes time and effort and organization but once you get used to it, once it becomes routine, it can become easy and not a huge production but rather a natural part of each day. Even when that day includes an hour commuting time and 12 hours at a desk.
Admittedly, it makes a big difference to have someone who shares in every aspect of it equally. But the weeks when he's away, or when I'm away, whoever is home sticks to the routine. It's really all about planning ahead and sticking with it, whether it's for one person or ten.
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My MIL used to work for a place where you could go and make several "home made" meals that you'd then take home and freeze. I think places like that are awesome and we need more of them (and cheaper ones, it was a little pricey) as well as higher quality prepared foods (like they have at WF) in every supermarket. (She now works for TJ's, which I think is a pretty decent place for processed, inexpensive foods.) A lot of people don't have access to these types of choices and that's really the problem.
Another issue: it took years for my partner to adjust his tastebuds to enjoying home cooked food more than Chinese takeout, so I think we're working against some very strong learned tastes. I'm not sure how easy it is for people to make that transition to fresh whole foods if they've eaten mostly processed stuff in their life.
But the biggest issues are ease and availability, and I was just trying to show that it can be done without killing yourself, eating up all your free time, or breaking the bank. Basically, I think we probably agree.
08/22/09
It was that aspect of the general argument, from many sources, that I was meaning to refute, not your comment specifically, though since I was responding to your comment that wasn't exactly clear. I apologize.
On that note, I should say that I can vouch for the meal planning strategy - in half an hour or less you can think of or look up several meals, make up a list, buy the stuff you need and not throw out half your produce when it goes bad because you've only bought what you need. And it gives me a good excuse to look up new recipes and try stuff I otherwise wouldn't try. I also make enough for leftovers and it saves me the time of throwing together a sandwich in the morning. But it's not perfect, I still buy lunch sometimes, and sometimes my boyfriend and I still have meals of dried pasta, tomato sauce and random vegetables because we didn't have time to go shopping. C'est la vie.
08/21/09
A lot of it is because we assign moral, as opposed to nutritional, values to foods. Which then gets translated into the same ideas about different body types, and then the people who have them.
If we start viewing all of this as related, we start being able to really get at the problem. Which starts at what, how, and why we eat (other than the obvious, which is to live).
The only thing I'd say in slight disagreement is that there's a lot of talk of "organic" food and while it's certainly not wrong to eat that way, it's not necessarily "better" than eating non-organic when we're talking about vegetables and fruits and things like that. Organic food doesn't, so far as any research indicates, more nutritional value. And it still uses pesticides and other things or they'd be eaten by bugs and whatnot (thank, you, Penn and Teller's Bullshit).
This is not to say we shouldn't eat organic, but it's important not to view that as some kind of food savior. It's possible to eat well and not be primarily organic. A lot of the language around organic food still uses that same moral phrasing, and I just don't think that's ultimately helpful.
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