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NmgK
09/24/09

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The thing I couldn't believe on the episode where they teased that she was pregnant is that they call Jim into the exam room before they tell her. Is it just me, or would that not be cool? What if he's not her boyfriend? Or what if it's not his? Wouldn't that info be private between the doctor and the woman and then she can tell him when she's ready or if she wants to? Weird.
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TheFormerJuneBronson
09/24/09

@NmgK: I got the impression she knew before they called him in.
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NmgK
09/24/09

@TheFormerJuneBronson: Yeah I thought about that too, but I also remember them both looking surprised. Regardless, finding out you're preg because of a twisted ankle seems a little far fetched too!
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NellMood
09/24/09

@NmgK: If you need an x-ray and there's a chance you're pregnant they'll test you first.
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jigglyball
09/24/09

@TheFormerJuneBronson: Yeah, she totally knew. She was nodding along as the doctor told Jim.
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femaledwightschrute
09/24/09

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I hope Michael doesn't ruin it like he ruined Phyllis' wedding, because that episode just sucked so badly, and I felt really bad for the fictional Phyllis. However, without Michael ruining something, it won't be a proper Office episode.

I hope it ends up like that Dance Party episode of the last season.
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minnesara
09/24/09

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hate to disappoint, but the wedding episode is NOT tonight! I read on EW that it's October 8th. Tonight is only 30 minutes.
[popwatch.ew.com]
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o-line
09/24/09

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Kinda how I feel.
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Ruby_de_la_Booby
09/24/09

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I must have hit the rewind button at least 100 times on that last scene of the season 3 finale.

Jim: Are you free for dinner tonight?

Pam: Yes.

Jim: Alright, then it's a date.

Pam: I'm sorry, what was the question?

SQUEEEEEEEEE!
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hellosunshine
09/24/09

@Ruby_de_la_Booby: And she's all stunned and a little teary-eyed? Yeah, me too.
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Ailatan
09/24/09

@Ruby_de_la_Booby: That's one of best scenes. Pam's reaction is priceless.
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tinydundie42
09/24/09

@Ruby_de_la_Booby: When it first aired, I started making a horrible high pitched happy noise. Maneki neko's boyfriend at the time had to tell me to shut up.
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BlueJeans
09/24/09

@Ailatan: And apparently it's real! Jenna Fischer said in an interview (or the commentary maybe?) that the tears were spontaneous because she was SO HAPPY FOR PAM. I must say, the relationship that these two have off-camera, dating from the first round of auditions, is completely adorable in its own platonic way.
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TheFormerJuneBronson
09/24/09

@Ruby_de_la_Booby: I still love watching that. The happiness on her face! Everything before that was worth it.
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TheFormerJuneBronson
09/24/09

@BlueJeans: I love how she said in the s2 commentary for Casino Night that the whole time John was delivering his lines in the last scene, all she could think was how he was going to be blown away by his own acting, what an amazing job he was doing. She sounds very cool.
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Ailatan
09/24/09

@BlueJeans: Yes, I think it was in the commentary.

Also, she said she had been very emotional during the filming on Casino Night.
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Triana Orpheus
09/24/09

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Wow. I can't have him in real life or fantasy life.
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lafleur
09/24/09

@Triana Orpheus: He is a cad, that Krasinski. Toying with my heart.
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bluebears
09/24/09

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yeah. I'm gonna take a minute and bitch. I have been really disappointed with how they have developed as a couple. Like when he just bought that house for them and didn't even consult her? wtf is that? Now she's pregnant by accident? the hell? I know it happens but I mean? were they not using condoms/birth control? cause ew. And also sort of out of character. whatever, I know I need to get a life but there you have it.
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bananastand
09/24/09

@bluebears: You can get pregnant on birth control. Unfortunately.
The house thing was weird, though...
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KatyLou
09/24/09

@bananastand: The house was weird. Also, I was watching the first few Stanford episodes the other day and am still really bitter about the bastardization of the Karen character. She started out so cool and they wrecked her to give Jim a good reason to leave her. Ugh.
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bluebears
09/24/09

@bananastand: yeah, you CAN. and I know that it's tv and they up the drama but...part of what I liked about them was that they were so normal, they didn't have to rely on all the omg she's pregnant! type of shit. Honestly the rate of pregnancy on birth control is really minute.
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bluebears
09/24/09

@KatyLou: that character became SUCH a bitch as the season went on. it was kinda bullshit. It was like they had to make her bitchy to preserve his likability.
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Eriu
09/24/09

@bluebears: I agree with you about the house but I didn't find it offensive since it was what she wanted. In theory, while I might be a bit miffed if my boyf up and bought me a house without asking, if I loved it I think I'd let it slide.

I'll have to tell my parents they're not "normal," though. :/ The pregnancy actually endeared me towards Pam & Jim even more. It seemed very real. It does happen. It would be pretty boring if they were just perfect. I also thought it was sort of subversive and sent a really positive message that they got pregnant accidentally and "out of wedlock" and they were happy about it. That's not how people, especially women, are "supposed" to feel about it.
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tankearae
09/24/09

@bluebears: Nope, I'm right there with you.

They illustrated that there was some tension and perhaps some unresolved issues on Pam's part having never really been away form home, and they just kind of brushed them off. I mean, I can get that she went back home and did find a new job (technically) and maybe resolved things...but given the way they illustrated the tension for awhile and had things progress very slowly...something about rushing it like the writers have doesn't sit right.

The house thing was particularly bad for me. If you buy a house, you're making a huge investment and she's a part of that too. NOT cool.

As far as accidentally getting pregnant, eh...I guess I can forgive it. Though it felt awfully contrived.
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bluebears
09/24/09

@Eriu: It really doesn't happen very often if you're using birth control. the pill is like 98% effective. I just feel like Pam is someone that would be on birth control. dammit! :) I hope you're not taking offense to this conversation about fictional characters though. I mean obviously it happens, it just seems like it happens in tv-land a lot.
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bluebears
09/24/09

@tankearae: contrived. yes. like why was that even necessary. As to the house, even if I liked the house I would still be VERY troubled. and to address what @Eriu: said, its not really about the house per se, its about him making a huge financial decision that will effect both of them without so much as discussing it with her. A 30 yr mortgage is nothing to sneeze at. It was like something one of the madmen characters would do.
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ytuhermanotambien
09/24/09

@Eriu: I don't know, seeming happy about a pregnancy when you're using birth control seems unrealistic to me. If you wanted to have a baby, you obviously wouldn't be using birth control.
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Eriu
09/24/09

@ytuhermanotambien: When did they say they were using birth control? I don't remember that ever being made clear.
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Eriu
09/24/09

@bluebears: No worries, I'm not taking offense. Just trying to express that one person's "normal" is not everyone's. I'm not sure it's beneficial or realistic to act like unwanted pregnancies could only happen to certain people. It wouldn't be consistent with her character to be careless, but there are plenty of other reasons why someone wouldn't be on birth control, or at least hormonal birth control, such as health problems or just using condoms instead, and I'm pretty sure things like IUDs are less effective. I'm recalling a professor at my school whose child was born with the IUD in his/her hand.
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kithkin
09/24/09

@bananastand: Yeah, the house thing freaked me out. That would have been a big red flag for me--not only is it a huge purchase that represents a long-term financial commitment, it was his parents' house (which was sweet on the one hand but on the other hand: a grown man wanting to move back to his childhood home--home, not hometown--seems strange to me), but it was done totally without consulting her. They might have been able to find a house with a terrace somewhere, you know? It was all about him. When she was walking through it silently, I was hoping so hard that she would get mad or even a little irritated that he didn't ask her.

Of course it is a half hour comedy show, so there's that.
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tankearae
09/24/09

@Eriu: They didn't - though Pam doesn't really seem to be the just "roll with it" type. I know that bugged me.
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Eriu
09/24/09

@tankearae: I don't think not being on the pill = "just rolling with it." Nor did I get the impression that they were being careless. There are other methods that are less effective. I think a lot of couples probably don't take as much precaution when they're about to get married and start a family anyway. Either way, I liked that it was a happy moment for them. I think that's rare both on TV and in society in regards to unplanned pregnancies. And I should know. I was one. Now, if we're going to talk about why the hell a doctor would take blood and check for pregnancy when you go to the hospital for a sprained ankle, I'm all for THAT.
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bluebears
09/24/09

@Eriu: yeah it happens. I guess I just wish they hadn't resorted to the whole, oops, we're pregnant! It grates.

@kithkin: I know, I know, its a comedy. I fully realize this. I just had held it to a hire standard then the normal bullshit. :( note, past tense.
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tankearae
09/24/09

@Eriu: I'm not disagreeing - just to me she seems like someone who would have planned getting pregnant and might be less joyous and more freaked out. But that's just my take on her. Yeah, they showed she's evolved a bit over the past year or two (and was apparently ok with her fiance making a 30 year investment behind her back) but it just seemed a bit out of character to me (as did the house thing). But that's just my opinion.

And yeah, blood test for a sprained ankle? wtf?
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bluebears
09/24/09

@Eriu: I don't know, I think, particularly on TV pregnancy planned or unplanned is ALWAYS viewed as a happy moment (unless its a plot point in some Law and Order episode), because its just taken as a given that thats what all women really want anyway.
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bluebears
09/24/09

@tankearae: that's my real issue, i feel like we were introduced to a character in the first few seasons that is gone now.
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kithkin
09/24/09

@bluebears: You and me both. I watch the second season, and some third season episodes, over and over on DVD any time I need to zone out or recuperate. But the Jim and Pam story? I am over it. I used to relate to it strongly, but now I just find it creepy (esp. with the house) and much less sympathetic than their courtship was. But I'm not getting the sense from the tone or writing of the show that I'm supposed to like them less or be disturbed that Pam gave everything she wanted up to live Jim's dream. Huh? No, that makes me angry.

And let's not forget the way they turned Jan into "evil crazy" from "professional with no patience for Michael." That really pissed me off, too.

I will always love Mindy Kaling, though. And so I will always watch.
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Eriu
09/24/09

@bluebears: I can't think of a single other example of an unmarried character getting pregnant that was well-received. It's one of those times where a woman's perceived drive to be a mother is in conflict with the judgment on her slutty whoriness for not waiting until marriage, and the latter wins out. Even a show like Gilmore Girls, despite the end results, it was initially a life destroying revelation. The fact that Jim was also insanely adorably happy about it was an added bonus.
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TurtleSpeak
09/24/09

@bluebears: I totally agree. I am so bored of them. I used to love them as a couple but as soon as they legitimately hooked up I was like... Meh. Bored of it. Now they're getting married and living in a house and baby makes three and blah blah blah.

I'm kinda disappointed with the show in general lately... it went downhill for some reason. I miss the old Office.
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ericakine
09/24/09

@kithkin: aside from the whole not consulting her issue, why is wanting that house weird? if my parents had a sweet house, and i could buy it, i would definitely do it :)
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kithkin
09/24/09

@ericakine: It's weird because it's based on what he wants, not what she wants. The show even gave us a look at what Pam wanted in a house, on Boys and Girls day (or whatever that episode was called). She wanted a terrace more than anything. Jim buying his parents' house was about his vision of their future together. It wasn't just that he didn't consult her about the purchase itself, he didn't consult her about what kind of home they would make together.

And perhaps I'm a prude, but I don't think I'd be into getting sexy in the place where my parents used to live. Getting married to me was about making a new future and branching out on our own, becoming a brand new family (while still loving and honoring our parents and siblings etc). That's about me, though, not other people.
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bluebears
09/24/09

@kithkin: I love her blog! Have you read it?

@TurtleSpeak: I do too. A lot of writers left after the second season and that, I think, was were the problem started.

@Eriu: friends? just off the top.
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tiredfairy
09/24/09

@kithkin: Well, sort of. The reason Jim bought the house was that his parents wanted to retire and move away. So he was doing them a favor by taking on the house. He was also trying, in his way, to show Pam that he was serious about them and his promise to her. To differentiate himself from Roy.

The episode with the house is actually really sweet. He tells her they don't have to stay there if she really doesn't like it, because he does know it's a big deal.

To me, it's about what they both want. And here's why: He made the garage into an art studio. At this point, it's clear that Pam isn't really good enough to make a career at art, but it's something she loves, and Jim knows that. So he gives her a place to do that, knowing that due to his job and hers, this is where they can start. They don't have to stay there forever.

@bluebears
The thing about these characters is that it's really easy to project what we want onto them, or make assumptions, or want things for them that don't really work in terms of the narrative or character arc. Sure, I'd love it if Pam and Jim got out and moved to the city, because that's what I did. But that's not these characters.

I'm honestly glad they've progressed the way they have. I'm really tired by constant will-they, won't they, storylines. I'm happy to see one couple not go that route for 6 or more seasons. To me, those seem way more contrived than two people obviously meant to be together, getting together, and doing the things that most people really do.

Sure, the pregnancy is a little "typical". Sort of. Both characters have talked about a family and kids before, though, so it's not like it doesn't make sense, too.
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bluebears
09/24/09

@tiredfairy: yeah I don't think I'm projecting re the house thing. I think it was 100% wrong for him to BUY A HOUSE without talking to her first. They didn't have to stay there if she didn't like it? What was he gonna do call the mortgage company and call "take-backsies"???? Flip it? In our current depressed housing market? Particularly right now if you buy a house you better make damn sure you plan to be there for a while. Mortgage! Debt! All without her signing off on it as a co-partner in that relationship. no garage/art studio makes up for that.
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sequined
09/24/09

@bluebears: I think in real life it's a little less effective, because so few people use it "perfectly." But I feel like Pam would be using it correctly.
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sequined
09/24/09

@Eriu: I'm pretty sure IUDs are more effective than other forms of BC. Doctors use them a lot more than the general population does, which suggests to me that they're pretty good.
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tiredfairy
09/24/09

@bluebears: I'm just stating what the character said. He told her, if you don't like it, we won't live here. Is that necessarily realistic? No. But we're also not privy to every conversation these characters have. We only see snippets. And Pam has said more than once that she does want a house. Albeit one with a terrace, but, that's not realistic at the moment.

I also remember, prior to the engagement, Pam saying she wasn't going to live with someone again unless they were engaged. A house is, in more ways than one, better than an apartment. Plus, it is important to remember that he was doing this for his folks AND Pam. This isn't some stay home and make babies move.

If their relationship was in some way controlling, or Jim was any other kind of "typical" male character, I could totally see the outrage. But he isn't. And what he does is truly meant as an engagement gift and a promise. Not some kind of lying trend, or trying to be secretive. And there's Pam arc as a character to consider, too. She has an issue with making decisions, especially big ones, and with following through. Is the best gesture I could think of? No. But I just don't think it's necessarily bad either, for these particular characters.

I get why it's read the other way, and I'm not saying you're wrong, exactly. :} I just think that though this show is -mostly- based in a version of reality...some things are meant to be stretched a little, and character context matters.
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meritxell: an erotic life
09/24/09

@bluebears: Yeah, I agree. I'm just sick of accidental pregnancies that end up being just awesome! I mean, I hardly ever see it playing out that way in real life. Birth control much?

Plus, I didn't like how Pam went to art school and then... came back and it was (hardly) ever mentioned again. Same with Jim as a sportswriter. I dunno, it seemed like there was potential for growth for each individual that just got shunted in favor of the OMGJIMPAM!!11! storyline.
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Ailatan
09/24/09

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I have a crush on both of them as a couple.

I might be projecting here, since they remind me of a great sidekick (and now great friend) and all the things we did while working together.
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ElleL
09/24/09

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Ahhh I'm so excited!!! :) They look so cute on the cover, I am definitely picking it up.

I thought the wedding special isnt until October?
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Ailatan
09/24/09

@ElleL: They are really cute. I can't wait for the wedding, though tonight Office Tally says the episode will be "The Meeting"

[www.officetally.com]

Yesterday I read Jenna Fischer's blog and I higly recommend it, she seems lovely.
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ElleL
09/24/09

@Ailatan: I read OfficeTally, too! It's a great blog. So is Jenna's, she is so cute.
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Lumbercath
09/24/09

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It's not airing tonight! It's actually the 4th episode... the wedding episode will air in two weeks!
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bluebears
09/24/09

@Lumbercath: I thought it was odd that it was so un-hyped.
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Ailatan
09/24/09

@bluebears: The episode of the wedding will air Oct 8 and it's called "Niagara"
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rodmanstreet
06/17/09

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He doesn't wax his chest... He just went up a notch in my book.
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Skellatrix
06/18/09

@rodmanstreet: Seriously! I don't know when it became a "thing" for men to wax their chests (unless they're body-builders). I am very "yes please" to the natural fuzzy look!
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clevernamehere
06/17/09

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Are we complaining about this?

I really don't mind, even though he is totally orange.

Loads and loads of male movies are marketed with the hot girl principal. Megan Fox has devoted an entire career to being that girl.

Since we're not going to get rid of the overhyped naked girl, I'm totally ready for gender parity.
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TurtleSpeak
06/17/09

@clevernamehere: I'm not complaining. I wish they did it to more men actually. Hell, even after they stop doing the naked girl thing (as if that would ever happen), we have at least a century of freebie objectification of men... so long to go before we're even. Yes I am petty.
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SpicyTamale is a GA peach
06/17/09

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When i see him i think of Clueless where Cher sees Christian for the first time and in slow-mo she mouthes, "Damn."

Yeah. right there.
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sequined
06/17/09

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I think he's going to look phenomenal as he gets older. Can you imagine him with silver streaks and some mild wrinkles? I see several more decades of eye candy here.
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Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
06/17/09

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This reminds me of my favorite phrase used to describe the V shaped muscles on the lower abdomen - Cum Gutters.

That phrase is made of win.
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jigglyball
06/17/09

@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: And all this time I've simply been calling them sex muscles. Well damn, this is much better.
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