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    Image of Rooo sez BISH PLZ Rooo sez BISH PLZ
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    "Did she fling her arms in the air, too, Vogue? Because limb amputation sounds almost as painful as reading that sentence!) "
    *snerk* ILU just for this, Jenna.
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Yeah, clearly....
    [4.bp.blogspot.com]
    WHAT!?@
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    Image of STICKSnSCONES STICKSnSCONES
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    The Vogue article states that she is 5'10 rather than 5'7. I would think this makes her even less atypical than the article conveys.
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Something that I will never understand from an intellectual standpoint is how designers, photographers, editors and stylists who have been working since the 80s/90s, maybe even before, can look at a woman built like Lara and dismiss her as being too big, when a mere 15 years ago, they were using women of her size routinely. The super-skinny craze is relatively new. So are these people so fickle, shallow and near-sighted that they are unaware of their own hypocrasy, or are they just plain stupid? Cindy Crafford, Linda Evangelista, Claudia Schiffer et al. were never as small as most models today, and actually, they were much older as well.

    The fetishization of extreme skinniness and youth is, in my opinion, one of the more unsavory hallmarks of the aughts. And it isn't even limited to the fashion world. Actresses have drastically lost weight over the decade, musicians have been pressured to maintain a certain body-type, and the list goes on.
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    Edited by Tchotchke at 12/18/09 5:12 PM Tchotchke was starred Tchotchke was unstarred
    Image of AndPreciousLittleofThat AndPreciousLittleofThat
    12/18/09

    @Tchotchke: For me, it proves herd mentality exists everywhere.

    And frankly, these designers are just fucking LAZY. I've said before that the clothes should fit the person, not the other way around.

    The "person-fits-the-clothes" mentality is demeaning and unrealistic, and it allows designers the deluded luxury of believing their commodities are artistic first, and functional a distant second.
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Yeesh. If we keep going in this same direction, in ten years we'll have 0.0001% of the population wearing nothing but Prada and Chanel, and the remaining 99.9999% in Old Navy.
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    12/18/09

    @AndPreciousLittleofThat: Are you suggesting this is an Old Navy conspiracy? Because I am not returning my party-cardy.
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    12/18/09

    @Snowbunny: No lie. I would be naked if I only wore designers, because I can't afford them.
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Wait, which one in that Givenchy shoot is supposed to be the "curvy" one? They all look the same!
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    12/18/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Lara Stone is second from the left — she's the blonde model without bangs.
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    One more thing to add that I would be more impressed by diversity of proportions. Skinny or "plus sized" the models always have near perfect proportions. It'd be interesting to see a model with no tits and an ample ass, absolutely no waist whatsoever or super broad shoulders.
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    12/18/09

    @Penny: I saw a model with no tits and an ample ass once in Sassy in the late 1980's/ early 1990's. Seriously. I still remember everything about it because it was so unusual (and awesomely reassuring to a teen girl) to see a model with that shape featured in a multi-page spread.

    How sad is that? It's like seeing an endangered species.
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    12/18/09

    @Penny: You know, you'd be surprised how many models do have odd proportions. You can all have the same measurements — 34"-24"-24", if we're talking straight-size models — and be put together in a remarkably varied number of ways. I knew really broad-shouldered models, long-waisted models, models with narrow but deep rib cages, models with short legs and long torsos.

    Not all of them did runway — for those jobs, the standards were refined down to the last quarter-inch, because of the structural constraints in the samples and the turnaround time of the whole production — but I was always surprised by everyone's physical quirks.

    The odd thing is that most of the time, magazines don't want to show that. The short-legged girls are told only to pose with their toes extended, leg out towards the camera, so that the line of the leg reads as long. The stylist doesn't put the girl with the swimmer's body in the halter neck top, because it makes her shoulders look too broad. So many of the decisions that get made in fashion tend toward the flattening of whatever physical differences do survive the threshing machine of having to size down to the same set of measurements. I always thought that was dumb.
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    Image of Penny Penny
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    I also have a thing for gap-toothed models. I just discovered Jessica Hart's blog and I totally love her smile!

    [jessicahart.net]
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    She's 5'7"??? I had no idea! Now that makes me feel a bit better about my own body (sorry, I've always idolized models, hate on if you must).

    It is interesting how measurements vary so little and still result in a different looking shape.

    I have always maintained that Stone is curvy, because she has...curves. There are larger women who don't have curves, and skinny women who do. It's not weight-related, in my mind.

    Although I do understand that "curvy" in fashion is code for "fatter than usual," which stinks.
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    Image of Pantra Pantra
    12/18/09

    @Penny: Thank you. I too am very literal about the word "curves" and so many people use it the other way. I made the mistake of calling a girlfriend curvy and everyone jumped on me, "What are you talking about! She's so tiny, are you blind!" like i had mortally insulted her.
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    sequined promoted this comment Pantra was starred Pantra was unstarred
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    12/18/09

    @Pantra: My ex (who is a very nice guy) once described me as "curvy" and I had to explain to him that that's code for "fat," and please don't describe me that way to people who don't already know what I look like. I don't know why I cared, in retrospect, but I'm probably saving his future girlfriends from being insulted on accident!
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    Image of Ultraprison! Ultraprison!
    12/17/09

    In reply to The 15 Most Popular Ladymag Cover "Models"
    AHHHH SJP's eyes in that Marie Claire cover... they haunt me...

    Also, that W cover of Paltrow looks NOTHING like her.
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    Image of Island of Misfit Toys Island of Misfit Toys
    12/17/09

    In reply to The 15 Most Popular Ladymag Cover "Models"
    Surprised not to see Reese Witherspoon or Kate Hudson. They seem to be omnipresent.
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    Image of katie.scarlett.o'hara katie.scarlett.o'hara
    12/17/09

    In reply to The 15 Most Popular Ladymag Cover "Models"
    I'm surprised Sienna Miller didn't make the list. She's been on Vogue a bunch of times, last year to promote G.I. Joe (barf).
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    Image of Irin Irin
    12/17/09

    @katie.scarlett.o'hara: Vogue is almost alone in its Sienna obsession.
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    12/17/09

    @Irin: i thot that was odd, too, and i didn't get it either. but apparently anna W appreciated sienna M's astounding performance as edie sedgwick in 2006 movie 'factory girl' and realized
    her immense potential as
    an actor and fashion person
    both.
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    Image of IndignationCoordinator IndignationCoordinator
    12/17/09

    In reply to The 15 Most Popular Ladymag Cover "Models"
    All this Jane and Sassy talk in the comments has made me think of that parody Daria did of Jane Pratt. I'm having a crap of a time finding it online, unfortunately. It was pretty damn funny.
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    Image of hortense hortense
    12/17/09

    @IndignationCoordinator: Tracie actually posted a clip of that episode last year.
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    Image of IndignationCoordinator IndignationCoordinator
    12/17/09

    @hortense: Ha. Awesome. All that's missing is the requisite Michael Stipe reference.
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    Image of lisas lisas
    12/17/09

    In reply to The 15 Most Popular Ladymag Cover "Models"
    Drew Barrymore and her relentless avalanche of twee "I'm relatable" bullshit always seems desperate to me. Which is a shame because she's one of the few people actually working on raising the profile of women in Hollywood so really I should be one of her allies.

    But I just can't.
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    Image of PaigeTurner PaigeTurner
    12/17/09

    In reply to The 15 Most Popular Ladymag Cover "Models"
    Admittedly, I will buy any magazine with ScarJo and Drew Barrymore on the cover.

    Really surprised by Renee Z.'s total. Does she have a secret cult following?

    Any guesses for the next decade's top cover models?
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    12/17/09

    @PaigeTurner: "Models", rather
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    12/17/09

    @PaigeTurner: Lady Gaga, Kristen Stewart, Lourdes Ciccone, Dakota Fanning are all my guesses.
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    12/17/09

    @lisas: Emma Watson and Anne Hathaway. I hope Ellen Page sticks around, too. She's kind of Drew 2.0.
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    Image of Anne Boleyn Anne Boleyn
    12/17/09

    @PaigeTurner: I foresee a young Suri Cruise making appearances towards the end of the decade. That child is gorgeous and will no doubt find her way into acting or modeling in some capacity.
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    lisas promoted this comment Anne Boleyn was starred Anne Boleyn was unstarred
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    12/17/09

    @Anne Boleyn: Oh yes Suri very likely. And how could I forget Emma Watson? Definitely her too.
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