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    Image of Lumix Lumix
    12/11/09

    In reply to Fashionista Didn't Mean To Say Tavi Gevinson Was Just "A Novelty"
    On the one hand I do not believe that she should be dismissed as serious simply because of her age, which seems like the tone of the original piece; on the other hand I do believe that her age should not exclude her from serious criticism.

    If her designs or writings are amateur or just bad then that is what they are and it can be observed and noted as such, while still allowing her to grow and develop her talents.

    Our culture does tend to reach out toward young creative minds that produce "good for their age" work, but not good in relation to the work of others who have more experience, etc.
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    12/11/09

    @Lumix: That was me, I didn't realize that she was logged in to my box. If anyone dislikes what I posted please take it out on me. Lumix is not responsible for the thoughts and opinions expressed above.
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    12/11/09

    In reply to Fashionista Didn't Mean To Say Tavi Gevinson Was Just "A Novelty"
    I think her redaction was tacky and did more to reinforce her under-cutty tone than anything. Tavi is enjoying herself and people obviously appreciate her take on fashion or she wouldn't have garnered all this attention. Cripes.
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    12/11/09

    In reply to Fashionista Didn't Mean To Say Tavi Gevinson Was Just "A Novelty"
    Maybe it's just me, but using Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen as comparison points seems to undermine her argument. They both seem pretty serious about fashion. Plus I'm always seeing their Elizabeth and James stuff showing up in editorials.
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    12/11/09

    In reply to Fashionista Didn't Mean To Say Tavi Gevinson Was Just "A Novelty"
    Yes, Blume. Back away from the ignorant comments. Slowly now, don't make it too obvious. Make sure people understand that you were only concerned for their safety regarding Tavi's existence as a "marketing gimmick." Because in reality, Elle supports nothing of the sort.
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    Image of BeckySharper BeckySharper
    12/11/09

    In reply to Fashionista Didn't Mean To Say Tavi Gevinson Was Just "A Novelty"
    Yeah, because the fashion industry is sooooo concerned about the welfare of adolescents. Noooooo they'd never want to seen teenage girls be exploited for the sake of novelty or as a marketing gimmick.

    /sarcasm
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    12/11/09

    @BeckySharper: Pshaw, adolescents are better seen than heard. Or read. Or remotely understood.
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    Image of EarlyGrey EarlyGrey
    12/11/09

    In reply to Fashionista Didn't Mean To Say Tavi Gevinson Was Just "A Novelty"
    I sort of agree with the idea that it's insulting to expect adult women to heed the fashion cues of a 13 year old child. If for no other reason than adult women bodies and child bodies are generally very different, and fashion, in the end, is about getting dressed. What's good for my body is not what's good for Tavi's body. I'm interested in reading her Harper's Bazaar column for her take on what's going on in the industry, because she does seem very knowledgeable, but if it's some kind of fashion advice column I'll stay away.
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    12/11/09

    @EarlyGrey: Tavi doesn't dispense fashion advice. For adult women or anyone else. She writes a blog about things she likes, and things she does.
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    12/11/09

    @Jenna: The quote from Blume doesn't give that impression, since she mentions the Olsen bag lady phenomenon.
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    12/11/09

    @EarlyGrey: Which is why I, for one, interpret the quote as the needlessly snarky and totally beside the point musings of someone who comes off as unfamiliar with Gevinson's entire phenomenon.
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    Image of pesematology pesematology
    12/11/09

    @EarlyGrey: "I sort of agree with the idea that it's insulting to expect adult women to heed the fashion cues of a 13 year old child. "

    So why isn't it insulting to 13 year olds that they're constantly being marketed stuff that was designed with adult women (their sexuality at least, if not always their actual bodies) in mind?

    I have a real problem with the way we as a society treats teenagers, expecting them to be more perfect (in a way we imagine is innocent, childlike but is actually absurdly stoic and cheerful) than adults, dismissing them as "crazy teenagers" when they fail to live up to or express concerns about this standard, and then slapping them down if they have any aspirations or abilities that we feel encroach on our magical, super-important grown-up territory.
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    12/11/09

    @Jenna: Bingo.
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    12/11/09

    @pesematology: Um, what? I never said it isn't insulting to 13 year-olds to be marketed fashion moer appropriate for adult women. I never said anything even remotely close to that.
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    12/11/09

    @Jenna: THANK YOU. Tavi is just being herself. People should read the blog before commenting.
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    12/11/09

    @pesematology: I feel that comment was discriminatory. Individuals can contribute to society in many ways, at different ages. They should judged according to the quality of their work, not their ascribed status as an adolescent.
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    12/11/09

    In reply to Fashionista Didn't Mean To Say Tavi Gevinson Was Just "A Novelty"
    "I didn't mean to call her a novelty, except for all those times I called her a novelty. I mean, I seriously don't know how you got 'novelty' from what I said, it's completely not what I meant. Also, I'm sorry you were offended."
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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    12/11/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: In other news, I'm sorry I called you a fat bitch. It isn't your fault you're so fat.

    falls into crowd of teenaged girls...
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Elle: Women Will Never Be Satisfied, Should Buy Expensive Sh-t
    Misery has always been a badge of honor for women. Might I refer you to the 40s-50s-60s radio/TV show "Queen for a Day"? That show literally rewarded misery by having contestants tell their weepy stories, then gifted the most pitiful with a new clothes washer or something. Women have always been expected to be self-sacrificing and misery is the proof that they've done their job properly. Combe needs to do some more research.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Elle: Women Will Never Be Satisfied, Should Buy Expensive Sh-t
    "How to look seriously younger" is a rather stupid statement, eh? One would think that youth is about being carefree, not seriously anything. Oh lady mags.
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    Image of Sarah Dove Sarah Dove
    12/03/09

    @badmutha: And you know, I'd rather roll up looking successful and happy, and WAY more confident than I was at school. I don't give a fuck if I don't look younger than people who are the same age as me.
    Oh well, I'll just tell everybody that I invented Post-Its.
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Elle: Women Will Never Be Satisfied, Should Buy Expensive Sh-t
    Please, someone, tell me how to "scientifically, mathematically, and economically prove" a vaguely defined term.

    Cause that would make grad school a lot easier.
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    Image of emfish55 emfish55
    12/03/09

    In reply to Elle: Women Will Never Be Satisfied, Should Buy Expensive Sh-t
    After reading that article, I was totally bummed out because now I am failing by not volunteering enough in my community. And also because I am afraid to try glitter eyeshadow. I guess I failed at being a lady. Again.
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    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    12/03/09

    In reply to Elle: Women Will Never Be Satisfied, Should Buy Expensive Sh-t
    Another day, another "wimmens are fucked because they're 'equal' now" article. I would just rather have one person write the honest "I hate women, get back in the fucking kitchen, bitch, let's roll back the clock you uppity thing you" article and just be done with it. Say what you will about the evangelicals, but at least they are honest to a certain degree about wanting us to shut up and be pregnant.
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    Image of BxgrlJeri BxgrlJeri
    12/03/09

    In reply to Elle: Women Will Never Be Satisfied, Should Buy Expensive Sh-t
    I would be happier if fashion didn't dictate that teenage girls look like plumbers from behind (and I do mean behind). I've had it with the ass crack look. What the F are designers thinking? No wonder why women aren't happy. Look at the clothes they have us in.

    Thank goodness winter is here and they will be covering their usually flip flopped feet with Uggs and covering up that ass crack with a coat.
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    12/03/09

    @BxgrlJeri: Not in Texas, dear. We are inundated with ass crack and flip flopped feet all year.
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    12/03/09

    @badmutha: oh poor you!
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    12/03/09

    In reply to Elle: Women Will Never Be Satisfied, Should Buy Expensive Sh-t
    Maybe if your friend likes to eat food, you buy her some damn food.
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    Image of CurtCole CurtCole
    12/03/09

    In reply to Elle: Women Will Never Be Satisfied, Should Buy Expensive Sh-t
    Why is her solution giving back to the community? That's great and all, but how about joining the Women's Movement now? That seems like more apt advice in a time when uteruses are being regulated more than the banks.
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    12/03/09

    @CurtCole: There you go using your dude brain again to confuse all us poor delicate things. We need to BUY SHIT and DO VOLUNTEER WORK until we're happy. Or take expensive medications.

    SHOES!
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    Image of lermanzo lermanzo
    12/03/09

    @CurtCole: there is a lot of empowerment in giving back to the community. especially if you look at giving circles and women's foundations that primarily leverage gifts from women to fund women's issues and programs to raise women out of poverty... which achieves both goals, no?
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    Image of CurtCole CurtCole
    12/03/09

    @lermanzo: True.
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    12/03/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: personally, i do find my volunteer work very fulfilling.
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    12/03/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: The suffragettes had it right. I VOTE AGAINST IT
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