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    Image of tammygarrison tammygarrison
    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    I almost couldn't hear what she was saying, her outfit was so awesome.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    Portia and Ellen are the first couple I always think of when I hear someone screech that allowing teh gehs to marry will "ruin" marriage. In them, we have a loving, committed couple who do nothing but strengthen the idea of marriage. I want exactly what they have...just with a man.

    Bravo, Portia.
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    12/04/09

    @LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: Y'know, cos straights have done such a bang-up job with marriage already. Teh ghayz will ruin that.
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    Image of toastandlove toastandlove
    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    Bravo, DeRossi. Bravo.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    Eeek! That's a look her character on "Better off Ted" would give. I'm surprised Elizabet Hasselbeck didn't just shrivle up.
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    Image of kemperboyd kemperboyd
    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    Ok anyone else read or written the word marriage so many times it has lost all it's meaning as a word?
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    Image of whynotshesaid whynotshesaid
    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    Do you ever think Elisabeth Hasselbeck has those moments where she says something and then cringes with embarrassment as soon as the words leave her mouth? I know I have them all the time, and I almost never say anything half as stupid as the drivel she spews into the world on an hourly basis. I mean, I have stayed awake at nights DYING with SHAME over stupid shit I said three years ago to someone who probably doesn't even remember me, and yet she just bubble-heads around like she's awesome. I bet she's never laid in her bed beating herself up over anything she's said. Not once.
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    12/04/09

    @whynotshesaid: See, that happens to you because you have a sense of self-awareness. Hassle-bla-blah-bleck is so blissfully unaware and comfy cozy in her own ignorance and judgement that she really doesn't have a clue- and she really could care less.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    Oh, she is the tits. I adore her and her delightful wife equally. Sigh. They are a truly lovely couple-not that I know personally or anything, but they really do seem like they're made for eachother. Aw, love. And aw, the classy take-downs of peanut-brained idiots. How I do love thee both.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    She is so poised and eloquent. I want to be her.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    I don't understand the word argument. Portia put it very eloquently, but to reiterate and elaborate: How is an institution equal if different people under the same jurisdiction have to call it by a different name?

    Aside from the obvious issue that was addressed her, what I don't understand is that if they're worried about the "sanctity" of marriage, then why aren't they up in arms about the fact that pretty much every straight couple is referred to as married, even if it is only legally (i.e., not in a church service of any type)?
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    I don't know about you, but I think that Portia would be a great addition to The View once one of the liberal ladies leaves.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    Go Portia!

    To Elizabeth: chi chaw, chi chaw, chi chaw!
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    Image of PilgrimSoul PilgrimSoul
    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    I think the dumbass was there. It was silent, like the k in "knucklehead."
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    Image of cirocco cirocco
    12/04/09

    @PilgrimSoul: I love the way di Rossi turns her back to Hasslebeck and addresses her response to Goldberg and Behar. So pointed yet subtle.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    I'm trying to think of an appropriate Arrested Development joke, but I got nothing.

    Bravo, Portia!
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    Image of BAngieB BAngieB
    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    But it is "the word" that causes all the trouble. People associated marriage with God and church, and that just freaks them out. All unions should be civil unions, because they are contracts with the state, not the church. See how I solved that?
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    Image of History Major History Major
    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: But this country was founded on Christian values!
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    Image of GreenEyedMedusa GreenEyedMedusa
    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: I like your idea, although like Portia if we lose the word it almost lets them win...not that the Christians or other religious groups are ever self righteous or competitive.
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    Image of Laulau Laulau
    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: But even if we legally changed the name of straight marriages, (which I don't see happening), we'd be mostly likely to still call them "marriages". I don't say my friends are "civil unioned". "Marriage" is a vague term in English that covers both civil and religious unions, perhaps like I sometimes say "car" even when I'm talking about a truck or a minivan. The important thing is, the latter is a motor vehicle that gets you from A to B, and the former is a commitment between two people making a life together. And I'm starting to ramble now, but realistically - I don't think most of the people who claim to be hung up on the language give a crap about the wording. They're just bigots using a different tactic.
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    12/04/09

    @History Major: This country was founded on FREEDOM of religion - which includes freedom from the oppression of the religion of others being forced down our throats.

    That and land stealin' white Europeans kicking the indigenous peoples off their lands so they could move in so they (land stealers) wouldn't be persecuted back home.

    Sick, innit?
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    Image of truckasaurus truckasaurus
    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: Yeah but there is religious marriage and then there is legal marriage. Claims that religious marriage "came first" are not necessarily true as marriage pre-dates all modern religions and was most likely a social/legal contract a man and woman entered into for property reasons.

    You're totally right that it's the word that freaks the fundie religious people out, but I don't know if I'm willing to abandon it to them because they make spurious claims that it "belonged" to them first. Why should we have to change our legal system and terminology to suit their bigotry?

    Then again, if it will make them shut up, we might as well do it. But I don't think they're going to be ok with it whether we call it marriage, a union, a friendship circle, a rose or anything else. A word truly is just a word - and what they really hate is the what it represents.
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    12/04/09

    @History Major : Yes, it was founded on Christians values, but until the Church has the power to legally marry/divorce people, it's arguments are moot as far as I am concerned.
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    12/04/09

    @GreenEyedMedusa: And I don't think it's a win/lose issue surrounding the word. The word can suck it, because if all unions are just civil unions, they will be equal in the eyes of the law, which is what I care about.
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    12/04/09

    @sybann: Where do I sign up at lol?
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    Image of BAngieB BAngieB
    12/04/09

    @truckasaurus: Damn queers, trying to be all equal and shit.
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    12/04/09

    @BAngieB:

    totally agree. plus, unless you get that marriage license from your resident city hall, your religious ceremony alone won't make you "married" in the legal sense. conversely, you CAN be legally married without any religious involvement at all~~ a person can be married by a justice of the peace and never have to step foot in a chapel, temple, any house of religion.

    the word marriage has totally been appropriated by religious fanatics. it drives me insane that they act as though they have ownership of the concept.
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    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: Why do they hate America? Haven't they read the part of the constitution where it says homos will shut up and sit down?
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    Image of BAngieB BAngieB
    12/04/09

    @truckasaurus: Queers are too busy recruiting and eating Republican babies (RUN ELISABETH!), there is no time to shut up and sit down.
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    12/04/09

    @truckasaurus: Yep - I have several pairs of atheist-type friends who refer to themselves as "married" and NOBODY chimes in with, "actually it's a 'civil union' because it wasn't in a church!"

    It's just bigots making excuses because they don't want to look in the mirror and face the fact that they actually are wrong, and are bigots.
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    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: i totally agree. Civil unions should be contracts with the government, and marriage can be just a religious symbol/contract/whatever. no one will tell churches who they can and cannot marry, but any two adults can enter into a civil union.
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    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: Agreed. Also I think this is an excellent case for the separation of church (or all religion) and state in these recent decisions. It is quite evident that they are religiously motivate and therefore unconstitutional.
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    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: It is the word that causes to problems you are right. The difficulty is that the definition of 'marriage' is not actually the religious definition that marriage equality opponents are to be holding on to.
    There is a very informative article by Jacob T Levy called "Sexual Orientation, exit and refuge" (which is more about society creating a safe environment for gay and lesbian members of minority communities) it has a simple quote that debunks all the rubbish spouted by organisations like The National Organization for Marriage: "The religious meaning of the word marriage is treated as constraining its permissible legal meaning. But civil marriage has long been desacralized in most western states." Meaning the religious conitations have already been removed from the word marriage so the need to respect religious laws in reference to marriage is has already gone.
    Equality of Language is as important in this case as equality in law. Calling a legal marriage between two people of the same gender a 'civil union' (like here in the UK) or any other word but marriage is saying it is less than hetrosexual marriage.

    *sorry it's a bit long a ramble-y, wrote an essay on this subject for university last year*
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    12/04/09

    @BAngieB: 100% agreed.
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    12/04/09

    In reply to Portia De Rossi Schools Elisabeth Hasselbeck On Gay Marriage
    Elizabeth Hasselbeck, you selfish cunt...ry music-lovin' lady! Don't keep marriage for the straights, some of us want to share it with everyone.
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