#4 is absolutely awful. I really hope those girls don't end up with daddy issues... judging from Jon's actions, though, I don't know how much hope I can have.
fuck this documentary: I can't wait for the documentary that comes 10 years ago where these kids and the Gosselin children get to give their point of view on all of this. I'm sure they'll all be remarkably comfortable in front a camera.
Why should the state indulge a woman whose children could probably benefit from the presence (if not serious intervention/removal from the home) of child services anyway?
@maude_flanders: i wish people would think a little harder before throwing that out there. do you know what happens after "removal from the home"? they aren't dropped into a pile of rainbows and cupcakes. they're sent to foster homes, with strange adults, strange kids, and strange social workers who are then trusted to take care of them. A huge number of these kids are being abused in care by other kids and by foster parents. Even the foster parents who aren't abusing them are usually overworked, most of them are overcrowded and can't possibly support and supervise the amount of kids in care. Imagine Octomom without any love or familiarity or family.
i'm not saying she isn't crazy. and i'm not saying it isn't warranted sometimes. but there's a serious, lonely, and sometimes deadly set of problems that occur after "removal from the home" that all of us well-loved morally outraged people ignore so we can feel the parents are being sufficiently punished for their inadequacy or negligence.
do you really think it costs less or is more helpful to sever all connections a child has (including the familiarity and comfort of other friends, family, teachers, neighbors) than to provide genuine and extensive support and education to the parents?
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@ElleL: Reminded me so much of my brother, and it kind of freaked me out because while I knew when he was supposedly back on drugs, I didn't know that was what that behavior was. Eerily similar...
@ElleL: God I hope not. Not really for his well-being, but because you know that in the next year or so, he'll be back in the news going to rehab and he'll be on my tv again.
"Unappreciative"? You're punishing both twins because they're being "unappreciative" about running a lemonade stand? You're their father, you dillweed. This isn't a reward, it's an activity. And snatching a marker away from a child like that makes me want to kick you -- never mind the casual smackdown that you're going to throw her hard work in the trash. Dick.
Also, your children can read. They know exactly why you're wearing a shirt that reads "Lies", they're not fooled about your paparazzi whining, and they want their mom.
Every single one her octuplets has the middle name "Angel," as though they're special little miracles from the heavens. They're the result of expensive medical technology! Their middle names should be "Science." [en.wikipedia.org]
you, again, missed the fucking point. it's not murder, it's ETHICS..a word that you might need to look up in the first place since you clearly don't know what it means.
@rednrowdy: thanks be to jeebus for saying something, rednrowdy! i hate that when people call it murder and then refer to the child by the name that was given them AFTER the birth.
@kellybones: her whole scenario highlights why there needs to be a legal limit on how many embryos can be implanted at one time. three, for example, might be a good number to start with.
@rednrowdy: The overwhelming majority of docs only transfer 2 embryos at the most. I've heard of 3 in a few cases, but that's rare. Her doc was just as crazy as she is.
@Kali Mama: I'm glad that I'm not the only one that noticed that. Is there contraband in the kid's diaper that she's afraid of becoming dislodged or does she just think the interviewer has cooties?
@BabyJane: She may have been saving the baby from fear--lots of babies are terrified of being held by strangers and will scream bloody murder if you hand them over to someone else.
She's batshit, but those kids are damned cute. It frightens me to realize that she has more kids in her home than exist on my block. Like, nearly twice as many. She has more kids than came trick-or-treating to my house this year!
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Just had to make fun of the typo.
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Why should the state indulge a woman whose children could probably benefit from the presence (if not serious intervention/removal from the home) of child services anyway?
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i'm not saying she isn't crazy. and i'm not saying it isn't warranted sometimes. but there's a serious, lonely, and sometimes deadly set of problems that occur after "removal from the home" that all of us well-loved morally outraged people ignore so we can feel the parents are being sufficiently punished for their inadequacy or negligence.
do you really think it costs less or is more helpful to sever all connections a child has (including the familiarity and comfort of other friends, family, teachers, neighbors) than to provide genuine and extensive support and education to the parents?
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#tips
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That's way harsher than I'd thought it sound...
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Also, your children can read. They know exactly why you're wearing a shirt that reads "Lies", they're not fooled about your paparazzi whining, and they want their mom.
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grow up. your kids are more mature than you.
also, i felt really badly for poor kate. she seems like she still loves jon and was heartbroken.
he, on the otherhand, seemed like a douchnozzle.
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Also, where do I send a resume?
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[en.wikipedia.org]
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you, again, missed the fucking point. it's not murder, it's ETHICS..a word that you might need to look up in the first place since you clearly don't know what it means.
you need prayer,
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#tips
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Whoever wins … we lose.
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You have FOURTEEN kids woman, don't Bogard the cuddles.
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