Great article, Megan, except for the fact that Dennis Prager is Jewish. I'm so embarrassed that he's a member of the tribe, much like my sane Christian friends feel about Pat Robertson and the like. Between him, Eliot Spitzer, and Bernie Madoff, it's been a bad year for the Jews....
I remember back in my intro religion class, we talked about the passage in Genesis where Sarah finds out that she's going to have a child even though she's, like, 98 years old, and she says something along the lines of, "I'm so old, my husband is so old, I can't possibly have pleasure." And my prof explained to us that in Biblical times, people believed that both the man and the woman had to experience orgasm in order to conceive.
And we also talked about how the Bible was actually written down by people. Therefore, if the people who wrote the Bible felt inclined to include this passage, then Bible-writers think female orgasm=good.
Please tell me that the Crucifixion Dildo is not an actual product... I've long been a happily Atheist Catholic, but the sheer sacrilege of that image is making me break out in a cold sweat. And I love crappy religious kitsch!
St. Augie was the genius who decided that original sin is passed through the flesh via sex.
This idea opposes other ancient cultures that felt that sin consisted of mistakes that a person could recover from, and is not a fundamental condition of being human.
Augie had the clout as a theologian to make it stick.
And St. Paul, he doesn't get off the hook either, as Teal says, since he was convinced that being single and celibate is the best life.
I point this out because the world does get its ideas from somewhere, and I think it's useful to look for those origins. It helps us to weigh the ideas.
@TealCuttlefish: Paul thought celibacy was a good idea because he was convinced the 2nd coming would be within his lifetime.
2k years on we can see that he was wrong. Yet he is a "doctor" of the Church and a fundamental influence in our society. So we live with the consequences of his wrong ideas 2k years later, since of course he was divinely inspired.
Others today still make decisions assuming that "end times are coming". See for example certain US protestant groups and their attitudes towards Israel and Palestine.
Why are we making collective decisions based on this stuff!?! arrrrggggg!
I'm a Christian! I love sex! There are more of us out there, we just need to be loud!! It warms my heart to hear of Christians advocating loving ourselves and respecting each other enough to be open and mutually responsive in bed. I feel like that sort of openness about such a classically icky topic (for Christians) would probably translate into being more open and mutually giving in other parts of their relationships as well. And that can only lead to good things.
So it's ok if you call it that? I'm speechless. These same folks think sex shops are filthy and sinful, but they can sell the same stuff if they call it "christian" and "marital aid?" Jesus Christ Almighty, this is a new level of hypocrisy. And there's no guarantee that only married couples are going to buy stuff from here. It's pretty graphic, so I could see any intimate couple buying stuff - married or not!
THe NPR story says they pray before putting products on their site and they don't sell things that they consider "unholy." Their site has plenty of "unholy" things for sale, lemme tell ya. Check it out. Rings, "head candy," creams, books about positions, everything you'd find in any other sex shop.
@TruthAndTheory: I agree that it's a little odd, but I'm not sure what's hypocritical about it. They're doing things that are sex positive, and are promoting healthy sexual relationships. Are you thinking that Christian couples are only allowed to do it missionary with a white sheet between them? People with faith (any sort of faith) still have desires and the right to bring toys into the bedroom without being hypocritical for saying God wants them to enjoy each other's company and body. Of course there isn't a guarantee that only married couples will be shopping there, but that doesn't mean the site isn't allowed to operate. And accordingly, it's allowed to decide that it considers vulgar and choose not to sell those items. It doesn't mean they're hypocritical, just that they're making business decisions based on their personal choices and the psychograhpic profile of their target market.
@FourInchHeels: I mostly say it's odd because a crucifix dildo is freaking me out a little. I'm not sure I want to masturbate to Jesus on a cross - seems like a buzz kill, and I'm having a hard time getting past that image.
I attend a fundie church that, for a fundie church, has a lot of pretty free-thinking individuals attending. But then again this particular church has a long history of former (and current) hippie-type folks making it their home so the free-thinking part shouldn't be any surprise.
I haven't had the guts to ask any of my sisters there about this topic but I have noticed that the couples who attend, no matter what age they may be, seem to have very strong marriages and are openly affectionate (hand holding, hugs, etc) with each other at church. I suspect they have very, very happy sex.
Things seemed to get even happier when we changed the weekly Bible study a couple of years ago to a men-only group. A couple of families left in a huff over this. I was kind of perplexed but thought I'd see where it led. It has turned out to be a great thing - almost like a men's support group. Many of my friends have said they don't have to ask and ask and ask for stuff to get done around home anymore. The guys are stepping up and taking more responsibility. They're talking more. They're NOT ACTING LIKE SUPERIOR JERKS! They're getting more, well, sensitive. And they're happier.
What I thought was a typical, conservative Christian "boy's club" move turned out to be something completely different for them. It made me think. Women tend to turn to our sisters for help, advice, and a good shoulder to cry or bitch on. Men internalize. My brothers at church have a place to go where they can do what we've done for decades. They're just learning about it and THEY LIKE IT. They have their support group and they're better for it.
I think this could also be good because maybe people can realize sex is not just going to "be OK" because you love someone and are married to them. Contrary to what my youth minister told the group whenever we started asking about sex, which was often.
I didn't have a healthy view of sexuality, but I can only blame part of that on church. The rest was me being weird and who knows what else.
But my mom the Republican Baptist uses sex toys, bless her heart.
I actually found Book22.com through a website that offers advice and information for Christian couples and their sex life. There's a section for newlyweds - not on book22, but this other site whose name escapes me - that basically holds your hand through the explanation of sexual organs and how sex works.
So many of my former friends (I saw two of them this week at a NY bash, these two who think it's a bad idea to kiss before you get married), so many of them seem to have such an awful idea of sex, a taboo, a dirtiness that I usually reserve for threesome fantasies about Gerard Butler having a firm hand and the boyfriend enjoying the show.
Anyway. If there are places and resources that can help couples mutually enjoy their sex lives, I say power to you, regardless of who you worship or what you think of the buttsex.
I recently listened to a sermon series (it was from Mark Driscoll of the mega chruch Mars Hill Seattle) all about sex, using Song of Solomon as the text. While there was PLENTY said in the series that pissed me off (like Driscoll's bizarre stance that stay at home fathers are unbiblical), Driscoll really emphasized that sex should be pleasurable for both spouses. He suggested that sex toys are a-ok, provided they don't make either party uncomfortable. And unlike Dennis Prager, he actually allowed for the idea that past hurts and abuses might make sex uncomfortable or painful or frightening, and he suggested that people should seek counseling and therapy to work through those issues, rather than just telling them they should have sex anyway. All in all, it was pretty surprising to me-- though I was raised a pretty sex-positive Presbyterian, I'm always happy to see when even more conservative practitioners of my faith come around from the "sex is dirty and only for procreation" type of view.
Also, it's kind of cool that they have a sex-toy shop. Though early2bed is good enough for this church-going gal.
Sample quote: "Before attempting fisting, a Christian husband and wife should pray together and ask for divine guidance."
Also: "However, because of the intense nature of the act of fisting and the degree of surrender and submission involved in being fisted, a couple should first look deeply into their own hearts and pray for guidance as to whether it is wise for the wife to fist the husband. They should undertake this only if their relationship is such that the husband can assume a submissive and passive role during a sexual act, while afterward still maintaining his role as the spiritual head of the household and leader in the marriage."
@Kilotwat: This site is ridiculous and horrifying. As for the essay on whether or not threesomes are acceptable, of course only threesomes consisting of 2 women and 1 man is ok in "God's eyes." Because we must please the menz, and men touching other men is icky and gross and God hates it. But women can touch other women because the menz like it.
My very Catholic ex-girlfriend once insisted that you could see the Virgin Mary in folds of her vagina. She is the kind of devout person who would appreciate the above picture.
@TheVaginaWig: The fact that the Church frowns on gay sex actually didn't stop her from attending services. We also dated when we were 17, so I have no clue how things turned out in terms of her devotion or sexuality. But at the time, she was able to reconcile her Sapphic proclivities with her Catholic proclivities.
@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (2009: a space ovumlord): It's just like the girls that take it in the ass but not the vagina because they don't believe in premarital sex and claim to be virgins! I say, whatever helps you sleep at night, you know?
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And we also talked about how the Bible was actually written down by people. Therefore, if the people who wrote the Bible felt inclined to include this passage, then Bible-writers think female orgasm=good.
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@ceejeemcbeegee:
@TealCuttlefish:
St. Augie was the genius who decided that original sin is passed through the flesh via sex.
This idea opposes other ancient cultures that felt that sin consisted of mistakes that a person could recover from, and is not a fundamental condition of being human.
Augie had the clout as a theologian to make it stick.
And St. Paul, he doesn't get off the hook either, as Teal says, since he was convinced that being single and celibate is the best life.
I point this out because the world does get its ideas from somewhere, and I think it's useful to look for those origins. It helps us to weigh the ideas.
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2k years on we can see that he was wrong. Yet he is a "doctor" of the Church and a fundamental influence in our society. So we live with the consequences of his wrong ideas 2k years later, since of course he was divinely inspired.
Others today still make decisions assuming that "end times are coming". See for example certain US protestant groups and their attitudes towards Israel and Palestine.
Why are we making collective decisions based on this stuff!?! arrrrggggg!
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So it's ok if you call it that? I'm speechless. These same folks think sex shops are filthy and sinful, but they can sell the same stuff if they call it "christian" and "marital aid?" Jesus Christ Almighty, this is a new level of hypocrisy. And there's no guarantee that only married couples are going to buy stuff from here. It's pretty graphic, so I could see any intimate couple buying stuff - married or not!
THe NPR story says they pray before putting products on their site and they don't sell things that they consider "unholy." Their site has plenty of "unholy" things for sale, lemme tell ya. Check it out. Rings, "head candy," creams, books about positions, everything you'd find in any other sex shop.
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I haven't had the guts to ask any of my sisters there about this topic but I have noticed that the couples who attend, no matter what age they may be, seem to have very strong marriages and are openly affectionate (hand holding, hugs, etc) with each other at church. I suspect they have very, very happy sex.
Things seemed to get even happier when we changed the weekly Bible study a couple of years ago to a men-only group. A couple of families left in a huff over this. I was kind of perplexed but thought I'd see where it led. It has turned out to be a great thing - almost like a men's support group. Many of my friends have said they don't have to ask and ask and ask for stuff to get done around home anymore. The guys are stepping up and taking more responsibility. They're talking more. They're NOT ACTING LIKE SUPERIOR JERKS! They're getting more, well, sensitive. And they're happier.
What I thought was a typical, conservative Christian "boy's club" move turned out to be something completely different for them. It made me think. Women tend to turn to our sisters for help, advice, and a good shoulder to cry or bitch on. Men internalize. My brothers at church have a place to go where they can do what we've done for decades. They're just learning about it and THEY LIKE IT. They have their support group and they're better for it.
*sigh* If only Mr. G wasn't Jewish....
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I didn't have a healthy view of sexuality, but I can only blame part of that on church. The rest was me being weird and who knows what else.
But my mom the Republican Baptist uses sex toys, bless her heart.
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So many of my former friends (I saw two of them this week at a NY bash, these two who think it's a bad idea to kiss before you get married), so many of them seem to have such an awful idea of sex, a taboo, a dirtiness that I usually reserve for threesome fantasies about Gerard Butler having a firm hand and the boyfriend enjoying the show.
Anyway. If there are places and resources that can help couples mutually enjoy their sex lives, I say power to you, regardless of who you worship or what you think of the buttsex.
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Also, it's kind of cool that they have a sex-toy shop. Though early2bed is good enough for this church-going gal.
01/02/09
[www.sexinchrist.com]
Sample quote: "Before attempting fisting, a Christian husband and wife should pray together and ask for divine guidance."
Also: "However, because of the intense nature of the act of fisting and the degree of surrender and submission involved in being fisted, a couple should first look deeply into their own hearts and pray for guidance as to whether it is wise for the wife to fist the husband. They should undertake this only if their relationship is such that the husband can assume a submissive and passive role during a sexual act, while afterward still maintaining his role as the spiritual head of the household and leader in the marriage."
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What. The. Fuck.
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I hope that this is a parody site, or else I'm super pissed.
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Also, how devout could she be if she was engaging in that ultimate sin of gay sex?
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