I went to an all female high school, so my experience with having male friends was pretty much naught, pre-college. Not that plenty of girls at my school didn't have male friends, i just had no life outside of school- thus, no exposure to men. ever. ( I'm not really counting a bizarre long distance internet relationship i struck up with a boy equally lonely some 600 miles away. although he was definitely one of my greatest friends when i needed it)
Now, going into my junior year at college I have mostly male friends, aside from my roomies who are girls.
For me at least, going off to college meant, among other things, seeing men as something more than a strange object of desire to be hunted down and "hooked up" with as my sexually pent-up high school self who associated entirely with women thought of them.
The best part now about having all of these guy friends is, obviously enough, that they're interesting to me, and help me grow as a person. they have completely changed the way I see men as human beings, and have bucked some of the more brutal generalizations I had always held to be true... and by the same token I've heard straight from their own mouths that being friends with me has helped them to view women in general differently and better, or at least with more understanding. So long story short, foster connections with men, they will teach you and you can teach them. simple as that.
I have, and have always had, significantly more male than female friends. I think a lot of it has to do with my having somewhat stereotypically (don't shoot me) "male" interests and that most women my age are married with children and I feel uncomfortable, or like an outsider, around them. I'm not aiming to have mostly guys friends, it just happens.
I agree that generalizations aren't that helpful, but couldn't but think of this article, about largely geeky men who'd rather "date" dolls than real women.* It probably does help to have some exposure to the opposite sex:
"... 50 percent of men and women in Japan do not have friends of the opposite sex."
http://tiny.cc/7FK5L
*In point of fact, I don't know any women who'd want to date these guys. They're the definition of "unmarriageable."
None of my girl friends have tried to share appetizers with me as main courses, cared whether or not I ordered dessert (I almost always do). Our conversations are often held over beers and include offering to kick someone's ass when they've been done wrong. The ones that really know me would also NEVER send me inspirational quotes and I believe my women friends when they tell me I'm beautiful. On the other hand, I do have a guy friend who repeatedly talks about his feelings, sends me inspirational quotes despite my protests, and he diets! Oh my God. Maybe people are all just kinda different depending on their personality and not their gender! Novel though that.
I don't care if all my friends are guys or girls, if you're a good person and we get along great, then what's there to complain about?
I think the biggest issue with this article is the Salon writer is trying to force a certain type of friendship onto women. It's somewhat like how people think that most women should have a gay best friend or whatever. But, I think that nobody should put pressure on us or guys to have certain stereotypical friendships. If we're friends with guys and girls, great. If we only have guy friends or girl friends, that's great, too. What matters is surrounding yourself with people that you like and get along great with, regardless of gender.
I know several guys with predominately female friends who still hear the phrase "there are no good men out there" and get offended and say, "um, hello?" The ladies just say oh, we didn't mean you! The guys say it's the curse of being the "nice guy".
I have more work-related guy friends than women friends, because my field is male dominated. My closest male work friend holds the same title as I do, and we talk or email several times a day. I'm friends with his family and love them to pieces.
I've got a lot of guy friends, but there's one who has become my brother over time, which is weird because he's probably the only friend I have where we have almost nothing in common at all. Anyway, my favorite thing about him is that his secret code phrase for "I need to talk about my feelings" is "want to go out for a cigarette," and I am pretty much the only person who ever gets to hear about his feelings.
Point being, a cool thing about having guy friends is that it's oddly comforting to me to see how a man struggles with the gender roles that he feels confined in, because he clearly believes there are social forces keeping him from opening up to more people about emotional topics.
haven't had guy friends since high school but I remember how much I valued them and how much it meant to me to have a guy care for me without it being more than a platonic love. This being important to a girl with serious absentee father figure issues who spent most of her life searching for love through sex.
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@CocteauTwin (Jambi says Smile with your Eyes): Ugh, me too. I feel like I am pretty good at keeping my feelings in check, but some of my friends are not so good at it - I had one even ask me, "Well, if we're not going to have sex, why are we friends?" To which I replied, "We are not friends," and left. And I haven't spoken to him since. It was too bad; he was fun before he decided he was a gift to me.
When I started at my conservative, southern school, many of my friends freshman year were guys. I had had a lot of guy friends back home, and the guys at school were more relateable than many of the girls I first came into contact with.
I think that everyone needs friends of the opposite sex, for diversity and to dispel the notion that men and women just can't "be friends."
I've noticed a increased degree of male/female polarization in our culture over the past decade.
It really wasn't a big deal to have platonic relationships in the 1990s.
I hate to say this, but I blame hip-hop and it's influence on pop culture. It has pretty much defined our culture for the past 10 years, and promoted crass sexuality and materialism.
The counter-culture, I guess you call it 'indie' culture now, remains fairly strongly opposed to gender stereotypes.
There is as much sexist misogynist bullshit in "indie" culture as anywhere. El Scorcho, anyone? And there is a lot of socially forward, respectful pro-women hip-hop out there.
This feels to me like a strong case of blame-the-scary-black-man.
I have more male friends than female. I miss girl friends. A lot. Sometimes the tough love thing regarding guys-I'm-dating from my guy friends can be like an echo chamber. Actually, I'm just tired of talking about guys-I'm-dating, period.
Anyways, good friends rule, no matter what sex they happen to be.
@The Queen of No: Completely agree. I become so envious when I see co-workers facebook photos and they're surrounded by beaming girlfriends at some nail salon or something. I wish I had more girlfriends.
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Now, going into my junior year at college I have mostly male friends, aside from my roomies who are girls.
For me at least, going off to college meant, among other things, seeing men as something more than a strange object of desire to be hunted down and "hooked up" with as my sexually pent-up high school self who associated entirely with women thought of them.
The best part now about having all of these guy friends is, obviously enough, that they're interesting to me, and help me grow as a person. they have completely changed the way I see men as human beings, and have bucked some of the more brutal generalizations I had always held to be true... and by the same token I've heard straight from their own mouths that being friends with me has helped them to view women in general differently and better, or at least with more understanding. So long story short, foster connections with men, they will teach you and you can teach them. simple as that.
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"... 50 percent of men and women in Japan do not have friends of the opposite sex."
http://tiny.cc/7FK5L
*In point of fact, I don't know any women who'd want to date these guys. They're the definition of "unmarriageable."
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Also, pics or it didn't happen, right? People can't come out of stereotyped boxes, Liar McLiarpants.
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I think the biggest issue with this article is the Salon writer is trying to force a certain type of friendship onto women. It's somewhat like how people think that most women should have a gay best friend or whatever. But, I think that nobody should put pressure on us or guys to have certain stereotypical friendships. If we're friends with guys and girls, great. If we only have guy friends or girl friends, that's great, too. What matters is surrounding yourself with people that you like and get along great with, regardless of gender.
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*secretly plots to coerce you into a relationship/sex later on*
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Point being, a cool thing about having guy friends is that it's oddly comforting to me to see how a man struggles with the gender roles that he feels confined in, because he clearly believes there are social forces keeping him from opening up to more people about emotional topics.
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I miss that too. Adulthood issues seem to complicate male/female relationships, although the issues don't have to.
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I think that everyone needs friends of the opposite sex, for diversity and to dispel the notion that men and women just can't "be friends."
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It really wasn't a big deal to have platonic relationships in the 1990s.
I hate to say this, but I blame hip-hop and it's influence on pop culture. It has pretty much defined our culture for the past 10 years, and promoted crass sexuality and materialism.
The counter-culture, I guess you call it 'indie' culture now, remains fairly strongly opposed to gender stereotypes.
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There is as much sexist misogynist bullshit in "indie" culture as anywhere. El Scorcho, anyone? And there is a lot of socially forward, respectful pro-women hip-hop out there.
This feels to me like a strong case of blame-the-scary-black-man.
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Anyways, good friends rule, no matter what sex they happen to be.
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All of my good friends are women. It kind of sucks not having the male perspective.
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