I really get annoyed at how little we talk about male fertility. 40% of the time the problem is the man, 40% of the time its the woman, and 20% of the time its both (or they just have no idea). Male fertility does decline with age even though it doesn't drop off the way it does with women.
Before I was born, my parents spent 6 years trying to conceive. This was just about the time that IVF was invented, but it wasn't being used outside of research labs yet. They were just about ready to cut my mom open so they could root around for a problem when my old Irish granny (who hadn't even graduated high school) mentioned to my mom maybe it could have something to do with the pills my dad took. My mom scoffed, if that were possible, the doctors would have asked! But she asked anyway and found out my dad's high blood pressure medicine caused temporary infertility. No one had ever asked anything about my dad's medical history and his doctor had never mentioned that side effect. My dad went off the pills and I was born less than a year later, despite my mom's advanced maternal age of 36.
I don't think all that much has changed since then. If anyone is having fertility problems, they should get their partner into a fertility specialist.
@clevernamehere: Good doctors examine both patients. Times have changed, some. My regular GYN had my husband give a sample for a sperm analysis before she even put me on Clomid. He had another complete work-up when we were referred to an infertility clinic, which is standard at clinics.
I decided that IVF and fertility drugs were being over used when a family member, who already had one kid, decided to use them. She'd been unable to become pregnant after trying for, wait for it, 3 months. Her Doc let her pump herself full of drugs and now she has triplets (would have been quadruplets, but one died in utero). A bit Gosslin-esque.
As for the actual story. That sucks. I mean, really, really sucks. Those drugs can really mess with one's mind.
@fluxus flucker: Shitty doctor. Wow. My clinic will only let you do IVF if you've been trying for 12 months and have unexplained IF or have a diagnosis of IF (because of PCOS, etc.).
Dr. David had valid points, though this is one place where I don't see sexism (which is shocking, because I see it everywhere). I do think docs resort to IVF a bit too quickly because the results are so much better (generally speaking) than other methods, like IUI or ZIFT and GIFT (I don't know if those two are even used any more).
I've been keeping an eye on a duck with a leg problem at the park where I ride my bike.
First off, no one would help because he's white, and techically a 'domestic' duck, unlike a mallard, which is wild. And domestic ducks don't belong at the lake.
But Delano the Disabled Duck (I named him after FDR) has been slowly improving. He couldn't walk for a while, so I brought him food. Now he can amble about -- slowly -- and swim. There are always a couple other ducks -- the same ones -- with him. Delano's posse.
All of the ducks are ruled by a giant mallard with a majestic white chest. His name is BaQuack Obama.
Yes, I need more human friends.
@NewsBunny: So you're saying no aid is available for the white, male duck under the current plan? I think the right-wingers will be squawking about this.
@WashingMyHair: There wasn't much I could do. The city's expert on duck wildlife (I shit you not, this position exsists) said if I was able to CAPTURE Delano, and take him to a vet, maybe the vet could could help him. Or the vet would put him down.
But Delano has been slowly improving since mid-winter. He's going to be okay, in my non-educated view.
I am also friends with Moe the Mallard. He has a band of white around his neck. He's cool, although I'm afraid he's mentally retarded.
"Once again, 40 percent of infertility is male factored. So why is the woman being pumped up with the drugs to correct the male factor?... bottom line is you should be seeing the man, sending him to a specialist. And frankly, that's the sexism."
Yes, but if a guy has immature or slow-moving or very few sperm, the only way for conception to occur is through IVF. Unfortunately, the woman often has to get pumped full of hormones even when the problem is the sperm, not the eggs.
@BeckySharper: Yeah, that seemed like a weird thing for a doctor to say. Some male factor problems can be fixed by IUI and sperm sorting, etc., but if the problem is more serious, IVF is the only choice. Outside of surgery to correct something like a varicocele, there isn't much else to do.
@BeckySharper: If the guy has a testosterone problem, a blockage or some other medical problem you don't always have to do IVF. You can fix the guy's problem and conceive naturally. The problem is that the whole thing is so woman focused when either partner can be the issue.
@k_wood: Whitey, the old cobbler in my neighborhood, died last year. After he passed they found out he had about twenty years of shoes in his shop. I always kind of wondered how much work he was doing with all the random neighborhood guys who would hang around inside his shop all day and in the bar next door. Kind of glad I never took anything to him, as I'm sure I never would have got it back.
@k_wood: a close friend of mine is married to one. He makes orthotics, custom shoes and boots, all kinds of stuff. It's actually a pretty lucrative business for him.
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Before I was born, my parents spent 6 years trying to conceive. This was just about the time that IVF was invented, but it wasn't being used outside of research labs yet. They were just about ready to cut my mom open so they could root around for a problem when my old Irish granny (who hadn't even graduated high school) mentioned to my mom maybe it could have something to do with the pills my dad took. My mom scoffed, if that were possible, the doctors would have asked! But she asked anyway and found out my dad's high blood pressure medicine caused temporary infertility. No one had ever asked anything about my dad's medical history and his doctor had never mentioned that side effect. My dad went off the pills and I was born less than a year later, despite my mom's advanced maternal age of 36.
I don't think all that much has changed since then. If anyone is having fertility problems, they should get their partner into a fertility specialist.
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This Jezegay is thinking that for me it's more like two and a half years.
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That duck isn't the only one! (There's a whole slideshow in the Telegraph.)
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As for the actual story. That sucks. I mean, really, really sucks. Those drugs can really mess with one's mind.
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Dr. David had valid points, though this is one place where I don't see sexism (which is shocking, because I see it everywhere). I do think docs resort to IVF a bit too quickly because the results are so much better (generally speaking) than other methods, like IUI or ZIFT and GIFT (I don't know if those two are even used any more).
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First off, no one would help because he's white, and techically a 'domestic' duck, unlike a mallard, which is wild. And domestic ducks don't belong at the lake.
But Delano the Disabled Duck (I named him after FDR) has been slowly improving. He couldn't walk for a while, so I brought him food. Now he can amble about -- slowly -- and swim. There are always a couple other ducks -- the same ones -- with him. Delano's posse.
All of the ducks are ruled by a giant mallard with a majestic white chest. His name is BaQuack Obama.
Yes, I need more human friends.
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But Delano has been slowly improving since mid-winter. He's going to be okay, in my non-educated view.
I am also friends with Moe the Mallard. He has a band of white around his neck. He's cool, although I'm afraid he's mentally retarded.
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Yes, but if a guy has immature or slow-moving or very few sperm, the only way for conception to occur is through IVF. Unfortunately, the woman often has to get pumped full of hormones even when the problem is the sperm, not the eggs.
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