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12/17/08
I got news for you. The drunk slut phase is never attractive, regardless of what age you are.
For all the talk on this site about not picking on other women about their looks, (but picking on their clothes is fine), it might be nice if the over-40 bashing was minimized. We really don't all have webbed feet and horns. Really.
12/17/08
You're right - the drunk slut phase is never attractive. It's less attractive, however, the older one gets - man or woman slut.
This was hard to watch, because that could have been me. I come from long line of female alcoholics. My mother is currently the slut of her senior housing complex.
I stopped drinking/drugging at age 34. I'm lucky that I got to stop, and that after 20 years of abuse, I hadn't hurt myself too badly. I was a seriously drunk slut - and one of my recurring nightmares is being my own 53 year old self, only back in the drunk slut zone.
I don't see any ageist bashing here. I've never been made to feel irrelevant because of my age, and I'm older than most of the posters here. We love and celebrate older women all the time here at Jezebel. Just not the drunk slutty ones :)
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I'm the child of a drug and alcohol abuser and my stepfather was an alcoholic and heroin user (the woman in this episode kinda reminded me of my mother as far as choice in wardrobe while intoxicated). My fiance is the son of a heroin addict and the brother of a recovered meth addict. We've seen the worst of the worst as far as addiction. However, neither of us, from our perspectives - while trying to avoid being bitter about how their addiction has affected us - could ever, not even for a minute, truly believe addiction is a "disease."
While I agree some people are born with propensity for addiction, it's something that can be avoided and remedied if the user chooses. While it may be harder for some than others, that's life for ya.
As for sympathy... I can't watch intervention without crying. My brother and fiance refuse to watch the show at all. Yet, I think the last thing people with an addiction need is sympathy if they're ever going to helped. So, maybe mslewis, you've maybe reached a higher level as far as dealing with addiction than I have by feeling no sympathy at all.
However, you referencing you're own drinking experiences was pretty darn stupid all around.
12/17/08
I'm not sure I whether I'm on completely board with addiction being a "disease," but I don't necessarily have another classification for it, either. I'll buy "sickness" for sure, though.
12/17/08
This.
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I have relatives who're addicts, too -- one who we're pretty sure allowed their preschool-aged daughter to be abused for coke, I think, and that was after the addict "kicked" heroin. It's a hard, horrible thing.
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The best Intervention, however, was the one with the OCD guy who had an "accident" in his bathroom (I think he got a couple drops of pee on the floor or something) and was convinced that he was going to poison his family and anything he touched with the germs. It was clear that he was just as sick as someone who was an addict, though his addiction wasn't as clear-cut as alcohol.
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this lady is like my patron saint gone horribly wrong. a wardrobe of bikinis and sarongs sounds awesome. drinking wine sounds awesome. lady of leisure sounds awesome. also, having sex is awesome. if only we could have all these things and still be fabulous... not quite so trainwreck-ish. if someone figures out how to do that, get back to me.
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From barefoot bikini booty shaking to pearls and watercolor paintings, this episode delivered.
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I know life isn't all rainbows and cotton candy, but I just can't derive any pleasure/satisfaction/vindication/motivation/affirmation from watching these kinds of shows.
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There is nothing wrong with drinking and enjoying alcohol. But the idea that if folks aren't getting fall down drunk then they are "boring" is just laughable. And for many folks, it leads to this woman. It's sad that our culture thinks folks who drink responsibly are "dull", designated drivers are "party-poopers", and women do don't sleep around are "prudes".
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I have a difficult time feeling sorry for alcoholics, especially those like Janet who lose EVERYTHING . . . husband, kids, home!! How could a person fall so far? It's ridiculous. I have no sympathy and I avoid people like that. Luckily for me there are currently no alcoholics in my family (that I know of). The few that were drunks (including my stepfather) are dead now. Sad but true. They didn't want help and didn't get any.
12/16/08
Well... it just shows you how powerful the addiction is.
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I know I should have some sympathy but I think alcoholism is a choice not a disease, which is not the prevailing PR. Make better choices!!!
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It is NOT a choice. I don't choose to be unable to stop drinking once I start. I don't go out with the intention of having so much to drink that I have to be driven home and can no longer stand on my own. Once I start drinking I CANNOT STOP. I can't rationally make the choice to stop because my body can't stop. Do I know I should? Yes. But can I? No.
Your comment is one of the most ignorant things I have read on this board all day. Clearly you know nothing about addiction.
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The kind who went to rehab six times, to no avail. The kind you have to call a 9 in the morning if you want to have a coherent conversation. The kind who has been drunk at every major event in my life.
Addicts are the most selfish people on earth. They are also some of the saddest, most pathetic people on earth. For all the hell my alcoholic parent has put me through, I can walk away, My parent lives with it every single day.
You don't have to be sympathetic. And you certainly have a right to be judgmental. But I assure you, most addicts judge themselves more harshly than you ever will.***
***in my experience, of course :)
12/16/08
I get the creeping feeling you may have misunderstood me, and perhaps my pronouns were misplaced and so I did not make myself clear, but, um, no - we should not free everybody in jail.
12/17/08
It's not something about which to joke frequently. I sometimes do, but in the back of my mind, I worry that this could be me. It. Is. A. Disease. From personal experience (and this is what worries me) - there are times where you just need to drink. It's not necessarily a habit. It's a little voice in your head that tells you, hey, you should do this. Now. Go. Relax, get rid of your problems, drift away. And sometimes? That voice can be silenced. I've even gone to AA meetings to try and figure out if I'm an alcoholic or not, and I've realized that yeah, I like to push it. Frequently. But I do stop, I haven't lost jobs, relationships and or family because of my drinking; not to say I shouldn't worry, but whatever. But sometimes it can't. And in some people, it's really fucking strong and takes over their entire lives and becomes their lives and overpowers every fiber of their being. And I've even been there and it's really fucking hard to pull yourself out, and A LOT of people who get to that point can't pull themselves out of that without help. I don't become confrontational very often, on here or in real life, but here you go - I have no sympathy for you because you sound like a complete asshole.
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For someone to say that this is a choice? That really fucking pisses me off. I don't like to drop the f-bomb all the time. I don't like being confrontational. But hey, princess? You're really fucking lucky that you've never experienced life with/as an alcoholic. Quit making generalizations and if you do, fuck the fuck off.
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It's not PR, it's the truth.
12/17/08
I am overwhelmed by this ignorance of mslewis.
12/17/08
@The Queen of No: I don't usually get all srs and ranty, but hot damn, this pisses me off!
(Hortense - I'm sorry for all the ranty!)
12/17/08
sorry to hear about your cousin...i do hope that somehow he manages to find himself (a self that maybe he never even knew was there) and beat this..
ive been addicted to alcohol since i was 15.. (just turned 21 two weeks ago..havent had a drink in almost 2 months) even before i knew what alcohol was, the urge to drink was there. its impossible to explain unless youve felt it before. ive lost numerous jobs and places to live as a result....fucked up more than i dare to say. now..after years of at least a liter of vodka a day....im finally getting help.
yes. it is a fucking disease. i didnt choose it. its not glamorous..fun..or any of that bs. addiction is hell in its purest and most physical form.
anyone who has never been in that position, who doesnt know the raw intensity of addiction..consider yourselves lucky.
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However, her verbal attacks on interventionist Ken Seeley were hilarious. When she sneered about not knowing who he was, then interrupted him some 15 minutes later to tell him she didn't like him. Four star stuff.
But the rest of it was downright depressing. Her son Thomas made me straight up bawl my eyes out. I'm glad she got help and is clean ((if she still is)).
Another pretty damn funny moment...I'M GETTING MARRIED TODAY!!!!!
12/16/08
Thomas was so heart breaking. Especially when he started talking about his sisters and how they need a female role model. Those kids were so mature.
I did wonder about the one daughter who didn't say anything. Embarrassed? Over it? Angry? All of the above?
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Hahahahha noooooo - I mean thanks for the congratulations but hold onto those for another 10 years...I'm only 25!
But that's what Janet screamed randomly as she was sitting down on the couch during the intervention. Like, "I'm getting married today - so there!" Everyone was just kind of like..god, sit down.
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Whoop for getting married!