From the National Coalition of Men: "Pop singer Rihanna recently made a widely publicized statement to Glamour Magazine that she wants to "shed light on the reality of domestic violence." The National Coalition For Men (NCFM) calls on Rihanna to discuss her own reported violence against Brown as well if she wants to shed light on the problem honestly.
According to court records and other sources, Rihanna struck Brown in the face "numerous times" before Brown assaulted her. NCFM purports although that would not justify his more severe assault, her violence should not be ignored, and if she does not "woman up" to it then her message will be the usual one-sided double standards that leave female perpetration covered up.
The saying, "There is no excuse for domestic violence," applies to both sexes. Female violence in relationships is not rare but is often hypocritically deemed acceptable or humorous, such as in the film, Sideways. It is part of the cycle of domestic violence, which cannot be stopped without addressing the problem honestly. Children are damaged just by witnessing domestic violence, regardless of its severity. A 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire found women are as violent and as controlling as men in relationships worldwide #rihannainterview
Having been in toxic relationships, I can understand how hard it must be for Rihanna to express hate for someone she loves. Much like grief, she will continue an ever-evolving process. Today, she may still love him and wish him well. Tomorrow, she may pity him or even hate him. Eventually, she may even be indifferent to him. I don't think she needs to put this behind her as much as to move forward stronger and more aware.
I wish Rihanna well and I hope she's on her way to having a great life. #rihannainterview
@Chamalla,barren crone: Same here. I was in an abusive relationship for five years. It started out emotional and mental, and turned physical after a while. And I did love him, very much. He loved me as well, in the capacity that he was able to.
Just because he and I were once in love doesn't mean he wasn't any less abusive or I wasn't any less a victim. It doesn't downplay what I went through, or color over what he did. I still left him, he still suffered consequences, and it was still abuse. Nevertheless, love was there at one time.
I think women who have been through horrible abuse have enough to deal with emotionally without having to worry about nitpickers trying to tell them that they didn't love so and so, they couldn't have, that using the word 'love' glorifies the experience, etc. These are real people with real feelings, and as much as people might want to marginalize and pigeonhole, it is possible to love someone who hurts you. #rihannainterview
Rhianna's only job is to heal. She has no responsibility to be a poster girl for domestic abuse, and there is no required script for violence survivors she needs to follow. It's certainly not our place to judge her for what she thinks or feels - none of us are in her skin. Maybe forgiving him is important to her healing, maybe it's the only way she can move on. Knowing how much crap is likely to be written about her elsewhere on the internet today, I'm more than willing to cut her some slack. #rihannainterview
@Chamalla,barren crone: I agree with you, wholeheartedly. I very much admire her. But you're right, she doesn't owe me, or you, or anyone anything. She's just a very young woman living out something that happens to so many, but having to do it in front of us all. #rihannainterview
There is something about his facial expressions that has reminded me from the start of my ex boyfriend - something smug, insincere and partially disconnected from reality. Not surprisinginly, my ex turned out to be verbally and emotionally abusive, did some things that left me feeling very violated physically, and was generally an asshat who exhibited controlling, violent behavior (he never hit me, but he hit plenty of other people and things, drove too fast to scare me, and generally was physically intimidating).
I also completely identify with her feeling that it was "embarrassing" to admit she loved him. I can say from experience that it TOTALLY DOES NOT HELP to have people asking you "What were you doing with him? I thought you were smarter than that. Why didn't you leave when you saw red flags?". Possibly well-intentioned questions like that are why victims clam up, don't talk to anyone about what is happening in their relationships, and feel shame later.
It's my belief that when Rhianna refuses to criticize him too much, it's less about him and more about her need to feel that he had some redeeming qualities - that there was some reason she was with him in the first place. It's about needing to feel that she still has good judgment, and isn't a total fool - or maybe that's just me, projecting how I felt.
@Flackette Goes Retro: So -- your ex-boyfriend sounds like my ex-boyfriend, and everything you say makes sense, and I'm so happy we're both out the other side and can recognize it -- high five! #rihannainterview
When the red flags start popping up, there always seems to be one "friend" around who will make excuses for them. "Maybe he was just stressed from work", "Maybe you picked the wrong time to ask him about [X]", "Do you really want to break up over that one little incident?" And so on. Been there.
The "support" of "friends" (and even family) may not be a factor in Rihanna's case, but I'll bet it's a factor in lots of them. #rihannainterview
@Flackette Goes Retro: "It's about needing to feel that she still has good judgment, and isn't a total fool" Yes. Yes 1000 times.
First - congratulations on getting out. I know how hard it is.
I still deal with this, and a series of "friends" who act like armchair quarterbacks, feeling completely justified in telling me what I SHOULD have felt or what I SHOULD have done - rebound guy even told me I was personally responsible for any woman my ex abused in the future. (Rebound guy bounced right off the backboard and outta my life soon after. )
We survived. We healed. We found a way to feel safe in our own skin again and still trust other people. For that I give you, and myself, a lot of credit. #rihannainterview
@Chamalla,barren crone: Yes -- my family played armchair quarterback for a long time -- they live at a distance and only saw my ex and I on holidays when he was on his best behavior -- my father's reaction to the end of that relationship was that I had failed to keep a man. That was devastating to me, and I think one of the reasons it took me so long to actually get out of the relationship, even though I knew in my heart it was hurting me, was that I knew my father wouldn't understand. #rihannainterview
@cellocurve: I'm so sorry that happened to you, and that the people you loved let you down. I'm glad you found the strength to leave, and that you're safe now. *survivor high five* #rihannainterview
Good for her. I totally relate to everything she's saying, from the denial and self-deception to the shame and embarrassment. It is so hard to admit those things to yourself. I cannot imagine how hard it is to admit it in the glare of the national spotlight.
I appreciate that she is speaking out even after she went back to Chris Brown and left him again. If anything, maybe it will help people understand just how difficult it is to be involved in an abusive relationship, and how it can be difficult to leave for a myriad of reasons. It would be nice if we all behaved perfectly in accordance with our politics at all times, but the fact is, we don't, and it takes a brave person to be willing to own up when they fall short of the ideal. #rihannainterview
I'm really impressed that she is speaking out about it, and that she is being so sincere and honest about what happened because it's probably the best way for her to be able to move on from this. I can't imagine how painful and embarassing it is for her, but it's obvious that she's doing this not for publicity or attention, but to help others...and that's very refreshing. #rihannainterview
Well I take issue with the role model thing because she is not a parent or a teacher, she is a pop singer and so while she may have more power over others than she realized, she doesn't have as much as she is currently beating herself up over.
Maybe from afar I'm just trying to assuage her guilt because dammit it wasn't her fault. #rihannainterview
It does seem like her guilt over being a "role model" is what actually got her out of the relationship, so at least it served that positive purpose. #rihannainterview
Yeah, I recall many people sticking to their "she's a role model" guns, and it makes me sick to think of her guilt. No one should have judged her decisions. They were hers.
That said, I am glad she's speaking out honestly. That takes a lot of courage. #rihannainterview
I would like to add that preventing future abuse also falls to, you know, the future abuser. In the end, THEY are the one who raises a hand to the person they "love". #rihannainterview
This gave me chills. I was physically abused by my boyfriend and the shame that you feel when your friends say "but you're smart" is just awful. But you couldn't tell me anything, I swear, because I was strong and thought I could get through it. Thank God that was more than 12 years ago and I will never put up w/it again. #rihannainterview
@GiGiBird: But you couldn't tell me anything, I swear, because I was strong and thought I could get through it.
Hi, are you me? I used to tell myself those exact things, that I stayed because I was strong enough to take it. What bullshit. I may have been strong enough, but it misses the point that no one should ever have to take it in the first place. #rihannainterview
When she talked about "these young girls", the thought in my head was, my God, YOU are a young girl. To me, in my 30s, Rihanna is a child. To hear those words coming out of her mouth, born of the way that her life has distanced her from her own youth so hyperfast (through fame and then through having this experience in public) is painful and inspiring. #rihannainterview
I don't think that Chris Brown is "equally" as famous as Rihanna, as Sawyer says in the intro to the interview. Even if he hadn't beaten her and appeared on Larry King Live wearing a bowtie that looked as though it may make a whimsical noise and begin spinning at any moment, he wouldn't be remembered much beyond this decade. What about him is unique? That stupid ass Doublemint Gum-whoring song? He's not revolutionary or cutting edge; Rihanna is. Chris Brown is just a run of the mill sort of okay R&B singer that gives false hopes to American Idol contestants everywhere; Rihanna has this great androgynous vibe and wavering voice that she uses to sing powerful lyrics in a way that's sort of sexy but also a little weird. He's Sisqo; she's Madonna.
@Understater: Not everyone is going to agree with me, but I think her voice is unique, her fashion sense is awesome (and weird, but it works for her), and she's a great performer. She doesn't have a voice that's going to blow the lid off of anything, but charisma up to there. Like Madonna. #rihannainterview
@morninggloria: when he came on to the scene being as young as he was and as skilled a dancer as michael jackson and usher (clearly artists with sticking power), it was pretty much a given in the hiphop world that Chris was a force to be reckoned with... and other artists were queueing up to collaborate with him as much as with rihanna, and their record sales where pretty much toe-to-toe, so your assessment seems to be purely subjective. theres a reason why people were calling them the prince and princess of r&b... #rihannainterview
@girlzilla: They were saying awesome things about Tha Thong Song, too, back in the day.
And, like, Ricky Martin and the Latin Music Exxxxxplosion of the late 1990's.
Whatever people were seeing in Chris Brown, I never saw it. Obviously my opinion is subjective, but the slobbering maw of the music press has called 'em wrong before. #rihannainterview
@Living the Contradiction: Fair enough. But saying 'that's pretty much the long and short of it' isn't stating an opinion, it's slightly obnoxiously calling your opinion a fact. But that's just my opinion - fact! #rihannainterview
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According to court records and other sources, Rihanna struck Brown in the face "numerous times" before Brown assaulted her. NCFM purports although that would not justify his more severe assault, her violence should not be ignored, and if she does not "woman up" to it then her message will be the usual one-sided double standards that leave female perpetration covered up.
The saying, "There is no excuse for domestic violence," applies to both sexes. Female violence in relationships is not rare but is often hypocritically deemed acceptable or humorous, such as in the film, Sideways. It is part of the cycle of domestic violence, which cannot be stopped without addressing the problem honestly. Children are damaged just by witnessing domestic violence, regardless of its severity. A 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire found women are as violent and as controlling as men in relationships worldwide #rihannainterview
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I wish Rihanna well and I hope she's on her way to having a great life. #rihannainterview
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Just because he and I were once in love doesn't mean he wasn't any less abusive or I wasn't any less a victim. It doesn't downplay what I went through, or color over what he did. I still left him, he still suffered consequences, and it was still abuse. Nevertheless, love was there at one time.
I think women who have been through horrible abuse have enough to deal with emotionally without having to worry about nitpickers trying to tell them that they didn't love so and so, they couldn't have, that using the word 'love' glorifies the experience, etc. These are real people with real feelings, and as much as people might want to marginalize and pigeonhole, it is possible to love someone who hurts you. #rihannainterview
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I also completely identify with her feeling that it was "embarrassing" to admit she loved him. I can say from experience that it TOTALLY DOES NOT HELP to have people asking you "What were you doing with him? I thought you were smarter than that. Why didn't you leave when you saw red flags?". Possibly well-intentioned questions like that are why victims clam up, don't talk to anyone about what is happening in their relationships, and feel shame later.
It's my belief that when Rhianna refuses to criticize him too much, it's less about him and more about her need to feel that he had some redeeming qualities - that there was some reason she was with him in the first place. It's about needing to feel that she still has good judgment, and isn't a total fool - or maybe that's just me, projecting how I felt.
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When the red flags start popping up, there always seems to be one "friend" around who will make excuses for them. "Maybe he was just stressed from work", "Maybe you picked the wrong time to ask him about [X]", "Do you really want to break up over that one little incident?" And so on. Been there.
The "support" of "friends" (and even family) may not be a factor in Rihanna's case, but I'll bet it's a factor in lots of them. #rihannainterview
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First - congratulations on getting out. I know how hard it is.
I still deal with this, and a series of "friends" who act like armchair quarterbacks, feeling completely justified in telling me what I SHOULD have felt or what I SHOULD have done - rebound guy even told me I was personally responsible for any woman my ex abused in the future. (Rebound guy bounced right off the backboard and outta my life soon after. )
We survived. We healed. We found a way to feel safe in our own skin again and still trust other people. For that I give you, and myself, a lot of credit. #rihannainterview
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I appreciate that she is speaking out even after she went back to Chris Brown and left him again. If anything, maybe it will help people understand just how difficult it is to be involved in an abusive relationship, and how it can be difficult to leave for a myriad of reasons. It would be nice if we all behaved perfectly in accordance with our politics at all times, but the fact is, we don't, and it takes a brave person to be willing to own up when they fall short of the ideal. #rihannainterview
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Maybe from afar I'm just trying to assuage her guilt because dammit it wasn't her fault. #rihannainterview
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I think people sometimes forget how young Rihanna is.
As for Chris Brown, I feel like he still doesn't get it. That Larry King interview was bizarre. #rihannainterview
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Yeah, I recall many people sticking to their "she's a role model" guns, and it makes me sick to think of her guilt. No one should have judged her decisions. They were hers.
That said, I am glad she's speaking out honestly. That takes a lot of courage. #rihannainterview
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Hi, are you me? I used to tell myself those exact things, that I stayed because I was strong enough to take it. What bullshit. I may have been strong enough, but it misses the point that no one should ever have to take it in the first place. #rihannainterview
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Um, really? Homegirl makes catchy tunes, but that's pretty much the long and short of it. #rihannainterview
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morninggloria is entitled to hers, and you to yours. Thanks for stating the obvious. #rihannainterview
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And, like, Ricky Martin and the Latin Music Exxxxxplosion of the late 1990's.
Whatever people were seeing in Chris Brown, I never saw it. Obviously my opinion is subjective, but the slobbering maw of the music press has called 'em wrong before. #rihannainterview
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Someone had to say it... #rihannainterview
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