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Staggering amount of medications? Doesn't seem like it, especially if she had health problems. I have rxs for Prozac, Wellbutrin and Xanax, and I am pretty much 100% (physically) healthy.
It's not as if one takes those every day, and aside from the benzos, none run the danger of addiction.
@#c17792185:Yes, They seem like a pretty commonplace assortment of meds, especially if someone is prone to anxiety. And benzos, while addictive, do not run much of an overdose risk unless you take them with other drugs like opiates or alcohol. They also do not put undue stress on the heart, so, yeah, that headline is ridiculous. (I also have most those same medications in my cabinets for 'emergency' use, as well as old painkillers and anti depressants...pretty typical these days.)
@margareita metermaid: @Penny: I'll grant you "staggering" is out of line, but my problem with the whole thing is the qualification "no illegal drugs were found" - this just perpetuates the myth that one can take multiple drugs like this and be fine. Klonopin+Ativan? Having a script for BOTH of those is almost never necessary. They're pretty much the same thing. I read a report saying also Hydrocodone and Vicoprofen too - same deal. It's just not sustainable to take all those drugs, and the fact that they may have been "legal" doesn't matter. You can't take a bunch of downers and be okay, sure they don't put stress on your heart, they just slow it down more and more, and then you take more and more and then ... yeah.
I do hear you, as an epileptic with anxiety and depression, I have a fair amount of pill bottles too and I know if I died, people might wonder. I'm just up on my high horse because I'm dating a recovering pill addict, who was once taking all the same drugs and every time someone dies like this (Heath Ledger), he thinks, "That could have been me."
@Angry Angel: We have to be careful, though, because we don't know that she was taking them all at the same time. She may have been looking for what would work, with the help of a doctor. Many people have prescriptions they don't finish because they are no longer needed or work.
@Angry Angel: For some people, taking ativan and klonipin is not necessary (or over the top or unsustainable); for others it is. Ativan is a short/quick acting benzo, applicable for panic attacks and breakthrough anxiety, while klonopin is long lasting and can be taken less times a day for those who need it around the clock or perhaps suffer from extreme manic (bipolar) episodes or other high anxiety symptoms. Everybody's mental situation is different, and just because certain people can't or shouldn't take certain prescriptions, doesn't mean it goes across the board. As for Brittany, I can't claim to know-- I'm just saying it is certainly not unusual for non-addicted or non-drug abusing people to have that assortment of meds in their homes.
@margareita metermaid: The list sounded like my sister's when she was avoiding the bipolar diagnosis and lithium proper, truly.
My heart goes out to her family. What a sad, sad loss.
@Angry Angel: agreed. I hate hate hate hate hate x 1,000,000 when "no illegal drugs were found" is listed after naming several prescription drugs.
A lot of prescription drugs are dangerous, can be abused and cause damage / side effects.
I don't give a shit what she was taking but don't try and make me think everything was ok just because they weren't illegal drugs.
I've seen the damage, first hand, with friends and loved ones, that scrips can do. I loathe them. fuck you Big Pharma and the doctors who prescribe them irresponsibly!
"I didn't even start beginning to deal with it until the baby's due date"
I didn't either. That makes my heart ache because I remember being there so vividly. To this day, I can't face the last week of November without serious moral support from my partner. I'm so glad that Lily is getting therapy, because, 3 years later, my partner and I can't cope.
@dialing_footnoterphone: I'm so sorry for your loss. I really stopped giving a shit about everything after mine, the only things that pulled me back were my husband, therapy, and Prozac.
@dialing_footnoterphone: I know the feeling. It's two years later for me and while I don't think of it constantly, every once in a while it hits me that I could have had a two year old running around the house now.
@EdnasEdibles: It's an utterly bizarre feeling. I have an 11 year old and we're struggling financially, but it hits me that things could be so different with a toddler around. I wonder where we'd be living, and how the hell we'd manage with diapers and Christmas.
@EdnasEdibles: @Maritsa: @dialing_footnoterphone: It is a loss that many women suffer profoundly, and a lot of men don't understand. I genuinely believe it is made worse by the full-on hormone fluctuation at the time of miscarriage, then the depression of feeling like you have failed in some way as a physically functioning woman. At least it was for me, both times. Some women cope better than others, it's true, but for others of us it takes much time and effort. I was astonished at Lily even being able to function as gracefully as she did in the face of the media at that time. My "press release" would have been: Fuck the hell off, you sensationalism parasites!
@mimigoliath: David Cross went online and addressed the criticism he got from fans for doing the first one. His response was basically "yeah, I know, but hipster cred doesn't pay my fucking mortgage, so shut up."
Kristen Johnston - while I appreciate your aversion to hot flash jokes, please know that there is some poor writer who wants to scream at you for changing his (most likely) words.
@Sev: Yeah, but she's too young for hot flash jokes, no? (Just looked it up - she's 42, which is pretty young but not impossible, but she looks younger than that.)
I'm starting to feel bad for this Simon Monjack fellow. His wife just died and it seems like people really want him to be some sort of villain without any reasonable proof that I've heard. So unnamed sources think he was sketchy? That doesn't make someone a killer. Leave the man alone to grieve in peace until some evidence to the contrary shows potential guilt.
@Bunsen Honeydew: I know, right? "Sketchy" does not mean he didn't love her or had a hand in her death unless or until someone finds proof of that. For now, I'm preferring to see him as a grieving husband, poor guy.
@Bunsen Honeydew: They keep bringing up that he's a felon.....because he was here illegally for a while. Yeah, you know, that really is just a step away from killing your wife.
@itsonreserve: I've seen articles where they've mentioned that he looks "flabby" or "chunky" and that they "only got married to get him a Greencard." Because a Hollywood star would only marry a guy like him to help him out. People should leave the poor guy alone. Geez!
@icyblonde: I know, right. Reports of him looking dazed in his pajamas while they tried to revive her seem to be meant to be scandalous... but really, what would you look like if your 32 year old spouse was going into cardiac arrest at 8 am on a Sunday? You probably wouldn't be in a 3 piece suit, and you probably wouldn't look calm and collected. Poor guy probably just woke up to the worst nightmare he could imagine, and now it's tabloid fodder.
@Bunsen Honeydew: I know for a fact that if I randomly had a heart attack, my hubs would be a total space case. What the heck is a person "supposed" to act like when their young spouse suddenly dies?! I would think acting "dazed" is pretty appropriate!
Brittany's meds don't seem like a big deal. It seems she may have been bipolar, had migraines, and maybe blood pressure issues. I have two meds for my migraines, and three for other issues. All of them are considered "strong".
Also, Propranolol is used for migraines as well. Some people have to take migraine medicine that doubles as blood pressure meds, based on the types they get.
I don't see anything fishy here - TMZ is just trying to make it seem like she was a prescription drug junkie. It looks to me like she was trying to take care of herself.
@missing_piece: The blood pressure meds pinged something for me. My dad and one of my coworkers both take various blood pressure medications that have made them act loopy. Dad got prescribed potassium supplements to counteract some of the mental clarity problems. One has to wonder if some of her reputation for being loopy and seeming high a lot of the time was actually just the effects of a blood thinner.
@missing_piece: That's what I thought. It may be a lot of prescriptions for an average 32 year old, but not in anyway implausible or indicative of any major problem.
Propranolol is one of the most commonly prescribed heart medication and many other wise healthy people take it for performance anxiety to stop their heart from racing (and other similar symptoms). Unless they can show she was getting scrips from multiple doctors or questionable sources, I think people should back off and let her family grieve in private.
@jemandtheholograms: I totally agree. I feel like they are being, "Ooo, she was drug-seeking", but you know who tends to have a lot of prescriptions? People who go to the doctor. In fact, for all we know at this point, she did have a medical condition that was being treated. There's nothing wrong or nefarious about that.
@missing_piece: I can't figure out if that list is complete, or if they just put the exciting stuff on it - but I'm surprised that after all the press about her having diabetes, they don't list insulin as one of the prescription drugs they found.
@HarpMadness: At first when I heard about her death, of course drugs entered my mind because 32 year olds don't normally go into cardiac arrest, but it's not like she was found surrounded by pain pills and sleeping pills. While one could hypothetically OD on what she was prescribed, it's a lot less likely than if she were found with bottles of narcotics everywhere.
@icyblonde: I totally agree. I was on Topomax for all of a month once, and it made me SO loopy. I called it Stupimax, because it made me so sleepy and almost incoherent sometimes. I just had to stop taking it. I imagine it's possible the same thing was happening with her.
@t-yo3: I once read a Lou Adler sex advice book (purely sociological research, obviously) where she referred to men having "blue bullocks". Herds of them, I assume.
@ericacartman: Except Brody looks like he has a home and Jayde managed to make Audrina look endearing. Which had to be about as easy as nailing jello to a tree. But still, same couple, different facial hair/annoying voice.
Aw, Lily. My miscarriage was an awful time for me, it sent me into more of a tailspin than my father dying did. I admire her for talking about, it's intensely personal but I think it helps other women who go through it know that they're not alone. I was so surprised after mine to find how many women I knew who had one.
@Maritsa: I had never really thought about miscarrying before and though I don't really typically lack in empathy, reading her tidbit, which she shared so eloquently and honestly, made it really hit home. Impressed that she managed to share that, and so well.
@Maritsa: Thanks to you too. I just had a miscarriage a few weeks ago. It's been nice how many women have told me that they know what I'm going through, and that it will get better. It is, slowly..... :)
@Maritsa: My mother miscarried a year or so before I was born, and she says she experienced the same thing. She was amazed by how many women had had miscarriages, but never spoke about them. Their openness really sustained her.
@Pianola: It's the truth. As soon as you have one, so many women will tell you that they also had one.
But as Lily said, other people will be there with you for about 5 days and then there's a distinct "Aren't you over that yet?" feeling you get from people.
@EdnasEdibles: This is very sad to hear from Lily. I may get blasted for this but, I am actually kind of surprised to hear that she felt this way. I had the same thing happen to me with the same surrounding factors: 1) Drinking heavily 2) Smoking 3) Dysfunctional on and off again relationship 4) Young (we would both have been 22 I think) 5) Not planned, and she had 6) Drugs and my reaction was totally, totally different. I don't disparage her feelings, because I suppose you feel what you feel, but I think that the aforementioned factors are maybe related to why a lot of her support network wasn't there for her long-term, and may have underestimated how upset she was.
@mmc37001: Hang in there, it does get easier to deal with. I still have moments, too, almost 13 years later. Women don't talk about it, but it's more common than we like to pretend. (hugs)
@LaFemme: What do you mean? I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say.
In my own case, my support network wasn't there because I personally didn't want them there. There's a ton of shame surrounding miscarriage and most women find it very difficult to talk about or deal with until they can get beyond feeling that it's their fault, that they caused it somehow, which most of the time is not the case. The majority of miscarriages are due to chromosomal issues- something just didn't go together right, your body knows it, and the fetus stops developing/ dies. But knowing this doesn't change the fact that you were unable to do, for whatever reason, what so many others can do with such breathless ease.
@EdnasEdibles: Thanks for saying this. I just had one on Sunday, and I already feel pressure to "get over it."
Both my parents have died, but this has definitely sent me into a bigger funk.
@EdnasEdibles: Oh yeah. "You're still thinking about THAT?" And the oh-so-unhelpful platitudes and advice, like "Well, at least you know you can get pregnant" and "Well, it's probably better because there was something wrong with it anyway."
@cristyc: Hang in there. It's not a fun club to be in but you're not alone.
Therapy really did wonders for me when I was drowning in it so don't be afraid to contact someone. It took me a while to do it and I wish I'd done it sooner. Only saw her for about 2 months but it helped.
@Maritsa: My mum went with the comforting "Lots of woman have miscarriages and they all seem to get over it just fine. Why can't you?" ..about two weeks after my second.
@cristyc: My sympathy goes out to you for your loss. I had one when I was 18, and it was a blessing then, but we're going to try for a pregnancy next year, and now it's my biggest fear.
@cristyc: My mom had a miscarriage after me. I remember her being pregnant, then not, and I never had a brother or sister like I was expecting, and no one explained it to me. And I felt I could never talk to my mother about it. Years and years later, I asked her about it, when I was sixteen or so, and she said "I still think about her sometimes." It's a real loss. Don't let anyone make you think otherwise, and feel free to say what you need to to make other people understand it. People lack empathy about what they haven't been through. It's OK to tell people when they need to develop it.
@mesmerelda: UGH. Mine went with "well at least you know you can get pregnant now!" (I had gotten pregnant through IUI) and then promptly seeming to forget it ever happened.
@LaFemme: I didn't think she was talking about her personal support network abandoning her but about the media and public who just ripped her to shreds.
Topomax is an anti-seizure med, yes. But it's also used as an anti-psychotic and for chronic pain. Many people with Bi-polar use it, as do many with fibro. The off-label uses of these drugs makes it impossible to assume a usage without seeing doctor's notes.
@theysaidwhat: All, sorry, didn't mean to leave the migraine use out. I was simply trying to make the point that these medications have so many uses that it's misleading for any journalist to assume they know why the med was prescribed to Ms. Murphy without her doctor's notes. There are probably other off-label uses that haven't even been mentioned yet that could be totally valid as well.
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Doesn't she also do a lot of work with UNICEF?
Smart and kind? Watch out, Miley.
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It's not as if one takes those every day, and aside from the benzos, none run the danger of addiction.
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I do hear you, as an epileptic with anxiety and depression, I have a fair amount of pill bottles too and I know if I died, people might wonder. I'm just up on my high horse because I'm dating a recovering pill addict, who was once taking all the same drugs and every time someone dies like this (Heath Ledger), he thinks, "That could have been me."
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My heart goes out to her family. What a sad, sad loss.
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A lot of prescription drugs are dangerous, can be abused and cause damage / side effects.
I don't give a shit what she was taking but don't try and make me think everything was ok just because they weren't illegal drugs.
I've seen the damage, first hand, with friends and loved ones, that scrips can do. I loathe them. fuck you Big Pharma and the doctors who prescribe them irresponsibly!
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I didn't either. That makes my heart ache because I remember being there so vividly. To this day, I can't face the last week of November without serious moral support from my partner. I'm so glad that Lily is getting therapy, because, 3 years later, my partner and I can't cope.
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Also, I agree -- people are being really rough on him and at this point, there's just no cause for it, IMHO.
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i don't feel like discussing him when what it important that we respect that a young woman died and many around her are very sad.
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Also, Propranolol is used for migraines as well. Some people have to take migraine medicine that doubles as blood pressure meds, based on the types they get.
I don't see anything fishy here - TMZ is just trying to make it seem like she was a prescription drug junkie. It looks to me like she was trying to take care of herself.
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Propranolol is one of the most commonly prescribed heart medication and many other wise healthy people take it for performance anxiety to stop their heart from racing (and other similar symptoms). Unless they can show she was getting scrips from multiple doctors or questionable sources, I think people should back off and let her family grieve in private.
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But as Lily said, other people will be there with you for about 5 days and then there's a distinct "Aren't you over that yet?" feeling you get from people.
Day by day it gets a little easier.
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In my own case, my support network wasn't there because I personally didn't want them there. There's a ton of shame surrounding miscarriage and most women find it very difficult to talk about or deal with until they can get beyond feeling that it's their fault, that they caused it somehow, which most of the time is not the case. The majority of miscarriages are due to chromosomal issues- something just didn't go together right, your body knows it, and the fetus stops developing/ dies. But knowing this doesn't change the fact that you were unable to do, for whatever reason, what so many others can do with such breathless ease.
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Both my parents have died, but this has definitely sent me into a bigger funk.
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Therapy really did wonders for me when I was drowning in it so don't be afraid to contact someone. It took me a while to do it and I wish I'd done it sooner. Only saw her for about 2 months but it helped.
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