I can't see myself being a good collectivist in a cooking co-op since I lose my temper if anyone looks over my shoulder and critiques me if I cook. I'm also a scary perfectionist when it comes to cooking steamed rice.
When I was growing up in N.C., we had a neighborhood potluck and babysitting co-op. The potlucks were a lot of fun and you don't have to eat everything if you don't want to. I would love to participate in something like this again.
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Neighbors of mine would bring me food sometimes, in my old apt., after they noticed me lingering on the stairs, sniffing the air and sighing loudly about my own cooking efforts.
@Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka: I would bring ingredients, offer my kitchen, and clean-up for this, but under no circumstances would I cook. I do not like to cook and cooking does not like me.
I think the comments on this post (as well as the issues Sadie takes with it in her original article) are really enlightening, though I think they illuminate one of the most disappointing things about our generation: Our stubborn rigidity about food.
Jeffrey Steingarten writes in the introduction to his first book, "The Man Who Ate Everything" (great book, by the way, if anyone wants a great collection of food essays to read) about the 8-taste-test -- basically, most Americans claim they are "allergic" to things like onions (newsflash: onions are in everything, if you were really allergic you'd be dead) or lactose intolerant are not, actually, allergic or intolerant: they just don't like that thing. Steingarten reads in a medical text that children who are made to eat things they do not like eight times lose their dislike for that food; that picky eating can be overcome by willpower, essentially. So he takes 8 things he does not like at all (the only two I remember right now are Greek food and Deserts at Indian Restaurants, though the rest are all single foods, like, say, carrots), and makes himself eat them eight times.
The result? By the end of the test, he finds he does like those things. That, prepared well and properly seasoned, they are all delicious.
Let me tell a little anecdote about myself. I spent the first 17 years of my life absolutely repelled and repulsed by eggplant. I thought it was disgusting, every little thing about it: taste, texture, all of it. When I was in high school I was a vegetarian, and I took a school-sponsored trip to the UK. In London, we went to a restaurant where they had a pre-determined meal for our group, which was pasta with meat sauce. I was not the only vegetarian in the group, and when we informed the waiter he told us genially that they could do a substitute sauce: pasta with tomato and aubergine sauce. It was served, I ate it, I loved it. It wasn't until I got back home and told my mom how much I loved aubergine that she laughingly told me that aubergine and eggplant are the same thing. So it turns out that when I was a little kid, I was grossed out by the word "eggplant" and made myself think I didn't like it. I was wrong. I did. But my preconceived notions got in the way.
A neighborhood cooking co-op would allow so many people to eat things they may not have eaten before, to experience other peoples' comfort foods, to open up whole new horizons of delicious and affordable food that we can serve to, not just ourselves, but our future families as well.
Could the co-op idea become difficult/be unreliable/potentially create bad blood between neighbors? Sure, but so can badly-parked cars and ill-placed trashacans. We've become so clinical and sterile with our food -- we buy overprocessed crap because it's cheap and "safe." A dislike of onions can be overcome; a lifetime of eating chemicals cannot. I say open your minds, open your kitchens, and open your mouths: there's a whole new world to taste.
@stoprobbers: So many good points here, I couldn't possibly just choose one. So I'll just say, I AGREE, TIMES A BAJILLION.
I mean, I have anaphylaxis triggered by most types of nut, and fairly strong allergies - related to asthma - to several other foods, but I'd still be up for this.
@stoprobbers: Well, I don't like Steingarten, so I'm a bit biased, but I agree you have to try something several times to really know if you like it. I know I hate dill, for example, as I grew up eating it (I'm Greek, it's in a lot of stuff), but I give most things several chances.
But I call BS on the lactose intolerance thing. A lot of people do not do well with dairy. I defy him to come to our house after my husband's eaten something with milk in it. It's not pleasant.
Also, I think most comments on this thread have not been about foods people don't like, but worries about other people's food handling practices.
@stoprobbers: Lactose intolerance is a very real thing, but I agree with you on everything else SO MUCH. My 25-yr-old best friend still won't eat shrimp "because they look like alien embryos" -- PUH-LEASE. I eat every kind of food, there is literally not one kind of food I won't try or even eat with a smile on my face. The only time I find myself disliking a certain dish is because it's made with not-so-fresh ingredients or chemicals/preservatives.
@stoprobbers: I love STeingartens book overall, but he's welcome to come and feed me nightshades (tomatoes, eggplant, peppers and potatoes) and then watch as I shake, shiver, have intestinal cramps, sweat, vomit and shit myself for three days and THEN he can tell me my nightshade intolerance is "in my head".
I like all those foods actully. They taste good.
My guts though? My guts do NOT like them, and have no qualms about sharing that. Violently and forcefully. For hours upon hours.
@stoprobbers: I found out about adaptability when I was in a social situation where I didn't feel like I could be picky (or have food preferences at all): my husband's family, when I first started having holiday dinners with them. They are extremely fond of root vegetables, among other things. There are still some things I won't eat, like beets, but I acquired a taste for a lot of things I would previously have said I didn't like.
I'm not a picky eater, though. I have preferences, like anyone, but I've never eaten anything that tasted so bad it made me gag. Worst in recent memory was a dead (before cooking) mussel. I survived.
@nex0s: That's not an intolerance -- that's an allergy. If you react that badly, truly, that's an allergy, and you should see a doctor about it in case you're sensitive to things that you're not aware of yet.
@The Queen of No: @Maritsa: I'm not saying lactose intolerance doesn't exist, and neither does he. What he says -- and what is true -- is that how common it is is grossly exaggerated by people who are picky eaters and who find it easier to claim some sort of medical problem than to simply explain that they don't like something. For instance; I hate gorgonzola cheese. It's too strong for me. In fact, I don't like most bleu cheeses. The fumes go up my nose and it's a sensation I really don't enjoy. Am I going to tell a waiter I'm lactose intolerant if a salad comes out with bleu cheese on it? No. I'm not. I might ask for a cheese substitute, or I might just pick it off and put it to the side.
If more people were willing to say the didn't like something, then people who are truly lactose intolerant, or who really have a food allergy, would get the attention and care they need to eat out safely. Instead, most chefs look upon all claims with derision now, because so many people lie about it.
@TheFormerJuneBronson: Dead mussel? Ooops. You're lucky! I'm glad you didn't get sick.
I have to say, I looooove beets. I was grossed out by them as a kid (I think we all are -- why? I liked all other forms of purple food), but a few years ago I tried them (on the heels of my mother's multiple reassurances that they "taste like corn", which I love) and found that I LOVED them. This past December, I had smoked beets at Komi in DC, for my birthday dinner. I say this in all honesty: They Rivaled Bacon. DELICIOUS.
But yes, your attitude is 100% correct -- all you need to do is keep an open mind.
From chatting to a doctor friend of mine as you get older you get more intolerant of lactose.
We had this discussion over lunch when I who previously loved milkshakes had to move extremely quickly to the toilet post-milkshake and came back suprised at my intestines.
@stoprobbers: I totally agree that people feign allergies rather than just saying they don't like something, but I don't buy that lactose intolerance is one that people claim a lot without grounds. A LOT of people are somewhat lactose intolerant. Also, it's pretty easy to say "I don't eat dairy."
@stoprobbers: I wonder how many people hate beets based on experience with canned beets? I loooooooooooooove beets, but the canned ones are disgusting to me.
@ThisSpaceforRent: Apparently, you can also loose the ability to produce the enzymes necessary to break down lactose if you stop eating/drinking dairy products. Our bodies are so weird.
I think this is a great idea, but I'm so glad to know I'm not the only person who couldn't do it. For one, I have a host of things I must not eat, so there's that. I can't be asking other people to not only cook with an odd list of ingredients but also to "please, be a dear and don't cross-contaminate, thanks love." Not. Gonna. Happen.
Second, even without that I am a food control freak. Like Sadie said above, the kind of person who gouges her palms "in an effort to keep from reaching out and saving a sauce from misplaced creativity or incomplete knowledge." Ow.
I love cooking for groups. There is nothing that makes me happier than having a house full of people, kids, and dogs, drinking wine and cooking while doling out chopping jobs to kitchen bystanders. I love chaos in the kitchen. As long as I am in complete, iron control of it and no one, NO ONE, touches a work in progress.
@SomeAuthorGirl: I was just wondering, since you said there were "a host of things I cannot eat." And then when you mentioned Jewish..
I'm Jewish too, and my grandparents and aunt keep Kosher, but I, thankfully, do not. I swear, God cannot have it in for bacon. Not if he's ever tasted it.
God, this reminds me of a CL ad that I found when looking for an apt in Berkeley for my friend. Radical, creative, organic dumpster diving vegans with nomadic friends and anarchic musical tendencies. Fucking shoot me now.
In college I lived for a year with four other other girls. We had a great thing going where each person cooked one night of the week (Sunday through Thursday, since weekend schedules were too different). It was SO great to come home after a day of classes and/or working (or both) and not have to think of what to eat for dinner, and have a full homemade meal awaiting for you. It was also nice to eat as a group and catch up on each other's lives every night.
I can only remember maybe 2-3 times at most that a "cooker" got held up at class or work and had to order a last-minute pizza, and I was almost forced to taste so many new things as a participant, which as the world's pickiest eater up 'till then ended up being a really great thing. Though I still to this day cannot handle the smell or taste of venison (which is too bad given how lean and healthy it is), which one girl tried to make all the time since her hunter father always supplied her.
@formergr: My three housemates and I considered doing this, but we only got past one successful pancake breakfast... they all come from very different cultures and their culinary tastes reflect that, so it just became easier to cook for ourselves. As for me, though lacking completely in culture, I am a heinous cook. No one should taste anything I make, not even me.
@district of confusion: I do too- I'm completely useless in the kitchen but will eat pretty much anything veggie-friendly, so I would totally show up with a bottle of wine and eat other people's cooking.
I would totally do this in theory with a bunch of likeminded people in close proximity. I love eating other people's cooking! It inspires me and teaches me new stuff about my own passion for cooking.
mr.par3 is a boxer...so his boxer buddies come over at 11pm after a particularly extra hard night of practice and i have to play cafeteria lady. but i've learned to love it- unexpected company can work wonders for depression.
It just seems like way to much socializing for me, I don't want to have to come home from work every day and deal with all of my neighbors (even if I didn't have to cook), plus the planning, shopping and organizing that would be needed. I need my alone time, crack open a can of progresso and I'm fine for the night, thanks anyway.
@Fate'sBitch (katieb): I was just kidding. That commercial is ridiculous, because most savory prepared foods have MSG. If you want to avoid it you pretty much have to make everything from scratch.
@Fate'sBitch (katieb): The man and I practically live on Progresso. Guess who has a can of Creamy Mushroom (the best flavor) sitting in their cabinet, waiting to be eaten for dinner?
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Neighbors of mine would bring me food sometimes, in my old apt., after they noticed me lingering on the stairs, sniffing the air and sighing loudly about my own cooking efforts.
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Jeffrey Steingarten writes in the introduction to his first book, "The Man Who Ate Everything" (great book, by the way, if anyone wants a great collection of food essays to read) about the 8-taste-test -- basically, most Americans claim they are "allergic" to things like onions (newsflash: onions are in everything, if you were really allergic you'd be dead) or lactose intolerant are not, actually, allergic or intolerant: they just don't like that thing. Steingarten reads in a medical text that children who are made to eat things they do not like eight times lose their dislike for that food; that picky eating can be overcome by willpower, essentially. So he takes 8 things he does not like at all (the only two I remember right now are Greek food and Deserts at Indian Restaurants, though the rest are all single foods, like, say, carrots), and makes himself eat them eight times.
The result? By the end of the test, he finds he does like those things. That, prepared well and properly seasoned, they are all delicious.
Let me tell a little anecdote about myself. I spent the first 17 years of my life absolutely repelled and repulsed by eggplant. I thought it was disgusting, every little thing about it: taste, texture, all of it. When I was in high school I was a vegetarian, and I took a school-sponsored trip to the UK. In London, we went to a restaurant where they had a pre-determined meal for our group, which was pasta with meat sauce. I was not the only vegetarian in the group, and when we informed the waiter he told us genially that they could do a substitute sauce: pasta with tomato and aubergine sauce. It was served, I ate it, I loved it. It wasn't until I got back home and told my mom how much I loved aubergine that she laughingly told me that aubergine and eggplant are the same thing. So it turns out that when I was a little kid, I was grossed out by the word "eggplant" and made myself think I didn't like it. I was wrong. I did. But my preconceived notions got in the way.
A neighborhood cooking co-op would allow so many people to eat things they may not have eaten before, to experience other peoples' comfort foods, to open up whole new horizons of delicious and affordable food that we can serve to, not just ourselves, but our future families as well.
Could the co-op idea become difficult/be unreliable/potentially create bad blood between neighbors? Sure, but so can badly-parked cars and ill-placed trashacans. We've become so clinical and sterile with our food -- we buy overprocessed crap because it's cheap and "safe." A dislike of onions can be overcome; a lifetime of eating chemicals cannot. I say open your minds, open your kitchens, and open your mouths: there's a whole new world to taste.
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I mean, I have anaphylaxis triggered by most types of nut, and fairly strong allergies - related to asthma - to several other foods, but I'd still be up for this.
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But I call BS on the lactose intolerance thing. A lot of people do not do well with dairy. I defy him to come to our house after my husband's eaten something with milk in it. It's not pleasant.
Also, I think most comments on this thread have not been about foods people don't like, but worries about other people's food handling practices.
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I like all those foods actully. They taste good.
My guts though? My guts do NOT like them, and have no qualms about sharing that. Violently and forcefully. For hours upon hours.
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I'm not a picky eater, though. I have preferences, like anyone, but I've never eaten anything that tasted so bad it made me gag. Worst in recent memory was a dead (before cooking) mussel. I survived.
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@The Queen of No: @Maritsa: I'm not saying lactose intolerance doesn't exist, and neither does he. What he says -- and what is true -- is that how common it is is grossly exaggerated by people who are picky eaters and who find it easier to claim some sort of medical problem than to simply explain that they don't like something. For instance; I hate gorgonzola cheese. It's too strong for me. In fact, I don't like most bleu cheeses. The fumes go up my nose and it's a sensation I really don't enjoy. Am I going to tell a waiter I'm lactose intolerant if a salad comes out with bleu cheese on it? No. I'm not. I might ask for a cheese substitute, or I might just pick it off and put it to the side.
If more people were willing to say the didn't like something, then people who are truly lactose intolerant, or who really have a food allergy, would get the attention and care they need to eat out safely. Instead, most chefs look upon all claims with derision now, because so many people lie about it.
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I have to say, I looooove beets. I was grossed out by them as a kid (I think we all are -- why? I liked all other forms of purple food), but a few years ago I tried them (on the heels of my mother's multiple reassurances that they "taste like corn", which I love) and found that I LOVED them. This past December, I had smoked beets at Komi in DC, for my birthday dinner. I say this in all honesty: They Rivaled Bacon. DELICIOUS.
But yes, your attitude is 100% correct -- all you need to do is keep an open mind.
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Man, now I'm hungry.
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From chatting to a doctor friend of mine as you get older you get more intolerant of lactose.
We had this discussion over lunch when I who previously loved milkshakes had to move extremely quickly to the toilet post-milkshake and came back suprised at my intestines.
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Second, even without that I am a food control freak. Like Sadie said above, the kind of person who gouges her palms "in an effort to keep from reaching out and saving a sauce from misplaced creativity or incomplete knowledge." Ow.
I love cooking for groups. There is nothing that makes me happier than having a house full of people, kids, and dogs, drinking wine and cooking while doling out chopping jobs to kitchen bystanders. I love chaos in the kitchen. As long as I am in complete, iron control of it and no one, NO ONE, touches a work in progress.
Scary Jewish Foodie Moms, represent!
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I'm Jewish too, and my grandparents and aunt keep Kosher, but I, thankfully, do not. I swear, God cannot have it in for bacon. Not if he's ever tasted it.
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I can only remember maybe 2-3 times at most that a "cooker" got held up at class or work and had to order a last-minute pizza, and I was almost forced to taste so many new things as a participant, which as the world's pickiest eater up 'till then ended up being a really great thing. Though I still to this day cannot handle the smell or taste of venison (which is too bad given how lean and healthy it is), which one girl tried to make all the time since her hunter father always supplied her.
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There are 2 people which I would do this with. Great cooks, great company. It think more than that would be too many cooks stirring the pot.
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Hint: It's me.
But you're right, it is always on sale!