i'm sorry but who is chris brown to call people ignorant for calling him out on his nonsense?
and, when he apologizes publicly its for his fans and sponsors? wow, real sincere asshole. #chrisbrown
My favorite bit was when Diane Sawyer said something about how shocking it was that it happened to someone who has this image of being so strong - as if this only happens to 'weak' women - and Rihanna virtually cut her off by saying, "I am strong. This happened to me." She very succinctly got the point across that this shit happens to all kinds of women - rich, poor, black, white, young, old, weak, strong - because it has nothing to do with what kind of woman you are.
She really impressed me throughout the whole interview - so mature and wise.
@Diziet_Sma: She has handled it very well, especially considering her age. I'm very proud she got the memo and has been outspoken about it now. I hope she really does accomplish her goal of helping others. #chrisbrown
Clearly Chris is saying all the wrong things, but I can't figure out what the right thing to say would be. What could an abuser say to indicate that they a) see the error of their ways, b) own their actions and c) have changed? #chrisbrown
@MissyMcCLung: well for one thing, he could stop talking about his career/endorsements, and stop talking about how this bruhaha has hurt his feelings and his career. #chrisbrown
@MissyMcCLung: He seems to be all about the PR spin. After this happened, I kept thinking of how young he is and how, if he doesn't own up to what he did and get the right help now, he'll be doing this to women for the next 60 years. He just doesn't genuinely seem sorry that he nearly killed someone he loved. He seems sorry that HE has to live with the consequences of what he did, with no real concern for anything else. #chrisbrown
He focuses everything on himself and his career (he rarely even mentions Rihanna's name) and seems to want to spin things toward the public's inability to forgive him, as if the real tragedy at this point is that people won't move on, even though he has.
Exactly! And the smarmy, "I'm young, so it still hurts my feelings..." crap was almost too much for me to watch. Are you fucking kidding with the little boy lost act? You beat the shit out of your girlfriend. A lot. And then one time she was hospitalized so we all found out. Now you want it to be: poor Chris, somebody [accurately] called him a woman beater?
One of the most striking things about his interview to me wasn't the PR spinning (I'm sure he was coached and that was the reason for the interview: no points for surprises there), it was the complete lack of self-reflection. You committed a violent crime against a woman you claim to love, and when asked about your motivations, after hours of court-ordered anger management and months of telling people you're "learning from your mistakes [ugh "mistake"!]", your response is "uhhh ... I dunno." Seriously, Chris Brown? Seriously? #chrisbrown
@yvanehtnioj: I see this in a lot of the boys I teach, that they have a disconnection in their minds between the way they behave and their self-image as a nice person.
They will seem genuinely hurt when I tell them that they're acting like mean little assholes (admittedly not the exact language I would use in a school setting). They expect people to somehow understand that they are really nice people who sometimes do assholey things, and the assholery should be written off as an exception to the rule.
'The real me,' to them, is different from the version of them that other people experience, and those others should accept the reality of that nice inner 'me' even if they don't get to see it much.
Listen to Batman, boys. It's not who you are inside, but what you DO that defines you.
Related: I would kind of like Batman to scare the hell out of Chris Brown by dangling him off a building until he cries for his mama and swears never to raise his hand or voice to a woman again. #chrisbrown
@Sarah Dove: Oh yes. That desire to be the arbiter of your own image? To tell people who you are instead of letting them draw their own conclusions? I see this a lot with people in general, but it is an entitlement and as such I'm not surprised you'd see it more in boys. I kind of like to call people (my own age) out on it. I find it entertaining. People who lie are outraged if you call them liars, people who cheat are outraged if you call them cheaters, people who steal are outraged if you call them thieves. Want to have some fun? The next time an acquaintance is bragging about "getting away with" something (manipulating a significant other, pulling one over on the boss, whatever), mention that they're not trustworthy or that they don't seem to value integrity. Guaranteed shitshow. Anyway, that's my idea of a good time (usually when the person sucks anyway), feel free to try it! #chrisbrown
From the National Coalition of Men: "Pop singer Rihanna recently made a widely publicized statement to Glamour Magazine that she wants to "shed light on the reality of domestic violence." The National Coalition For Men (NCFM) calls on Rihanna to discuss her own reported violence against Brown as well if she wants to shed light on the problem honestly.
According to court records and other sources, Rihanna struck Brown in the face "numerous times" before Brown assaulted her. NCFM purports although that would not justify his more severe assault, her violence should not be ignored, and if she does not "woman up" to it then her message will be the usual one-sided double standards that leave female perpetration covered up.
The saying, "There is no excuse for domestic violence," applies to both sexes. Female violence in relationships is not rare but is often hypocritically deemed acceptable or humorous, such as in the film, Sideways. It is part of the cycle of domestic violence, which cannot be stopped without addressing the problem honestly. Children are damaged just by witnessing domestic violence, regardless of its severity. A 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire found women are as violent and as controlling as men in relationships worldwide #rihannainterview
Having been in toxic relationships, I can understand how hard it must be for Rihanna to express hate for someone she loves. Much like grief, she will continue an ever-evolving process. Today, she may still love him and wish him well. Tomorrow, she may pity him or even hate him. Eventually, she may even be indifferent to him. I don't think she needs to put this behind her as much as to move forward stronger and more aware.
I wish Rihanna well and I hope she's on her way to having a great life. #rihannainterview
@Chamalla,barren crone: Same here. I was in an abusive relationship for five years. It started out emotional and mental, and turned physical after a while. And I did love him, very much. He loved me as well, in the capacity that he was able to.
Just because he and I were once in love doesn't mean he wasn't any less abusive or I wasn't any less a victim. It doesn't downplay what I went through, or color over what he did. I still left him, he still suffered consequences, and it was still abuse. Nevertheless, love was there at one time.
I think women who have been through horrible abuse have enough to deal with emotionally without having to worry about nitpickers trying to tell them that they didn't love so and so, they couldn't have, that using the word 'love' glorifies the experience, etc. These are real people with real feelings, and as much as people might want to marginalize and pigeonhole, it is possible to love someone who hurts you. #rihannainterview
Rhianna's only job is to heal. She has no responsibility to be a poster girl for domestic abuse, and there is no required script for violence survivors she needs to follow. It's certainly not our place to judge her for what she thinks or feels - none of us are in her skin. Maybe forgiving him is important to her healing, maybe it's the only way she can move on. Knowing how much crap is likely to be written about her elsewhere on the internet today, I'm more than willing to cut her some slack. #rihannainterview
@Chamalla,barren crone: I agree with you, wholeheartedly. I very much admire her. But you're right, she doesn't owe me, or you, or anyone anything. She's just a very young woman living out something that happens to so many, but having to do it in front of us all. #rihannainterview
There is something about his facial expressions that has reminded me from the start of my ex boyfriend - something smug, insincere and partially disconnected from reality. Not surprisinginly, my ex turned out to be verbally and emotionally abusive, did some things that left me feeling very violated physically, and was generally an asshat who exhibited controlling, violent behavior (he never hit me, but he hit plenty of other people and things, drove too fast to scare me, and generally was physically intimidating).
I also completely identify with her feeling that it was "embarrassing" to admit she loved him. I can say from experience that it TOTALLY DOES NOT HELP to have people asking you "What were you doing with him? I thought you were smarter than that. Why didn't you leave when you saw red flags?". Possibly well-intentioned questions like that are why victims clam up, don't talk to anyone about what is happening in their relationships, and feel shame later.
It's my belief that when Rhianna refuses to criticize him too much, it's less about him and more about her need to feel that he had some redeeming qualities - that there was some reason she was with him in the first place. It's about needing to feel that she still has good judgment, and isn't a total fool - or maybe that's just me, projecting how I felt.
@Flackette Goes Retro: So -- your ex-boyfriend sounds like my ex-boyfriend, and everything you say makes sense, and I'm so happy we're both out the other side and can recognize it -- high five! #rihannainterview
When the red flags start popping up, there always seems to be one "friend" around who will make excuses for them. "Maybe he was just stressed from work", "Maybe you picked the wrong time to ask him about [X]", "Do you really want to break up over that one little incident?" And so on. Been there.
The "support" of "friends" (and even family) may not be a factor in Rihanna's case, but I'll bet it's a factor in lots of them. #rihannainterview
@Flackette Goes Retro: "It's about needing to feel that she still has good judgment, and isn't a total fool" Yes. Yes 1000 times.
First - congratulations on getting out. I know how hard it is.
I still deal with this, and a series of "friends" who act like armchair quarterbacks, feeling completely justified in telling me what I SHOULD have felt or what I SHOULD have done - rebound guy even told me I was personally responsible for any woman my ex abused in the future. (Rebound guy bounced right off the backboard and outta my life soon after. )
We survived. We healed. We found a way to feel safe in our own skin again and still trust other people. For that I give you, and myself, a lot of credit. #rihannainterview
@Chamalla,barren crone: Yes -- my family played armchair quarterback for a long time -- they live at a distance and only saw my ex and I on holidays when he was on his best behavior -- my father's reaction to the end of that relationship was that I had failed to keep a man. That was devastating to me, and I think one of the reasons it took me so long to actually get out of the relationship, even though I knew in my heart it was hurting me, was that I knew my father wouldn't understand. #rihannainterview
@cellocurve: I'm so sorry that happened to you, and that the people you loved let you down. I'm glad you found the strength to leave, and that you're safe now. *survivor high five* #rihannainterview
Good for her. I totally relate to everything she's saying, from the denial and self-deception to the shame and embarrassment. It is so hard to admit those things to yourself. I cannot imagine how hard it is to admit it in the glare of the national spotlight.
I appreciate that she is speaking out even after she went back to Chris Brown and left him again. If anything, maybe it will help people understand just how difficult it is to be involved in an abusive relationship, and how it can be difficult to leave for a myriad of reasons. It would be nice if we all behaved perfectly in accordance with our politics at all times, but the fact is, we don't, and it takes a brave person to be willing to own up when they fall short of the ideal. #rihannainterview
I'm really impressed that she is speaking out about it, and that she is being so sincere and honest about what happened because it's probably the best way for her to be able to move on from this. I can't imagine how painful and embarassing it is for her, but it's obvious that she's doing this not for publicity or attention, but to help others...and that's very refreshing. #rihannainterview
Well I take issue with the role model thing because she is not a parent or a teacher, she is a pop singer and so while she may have more power over others than she realized, she doesn't have as much as she is currently beating herself up over.
Maybe from afar I'm just trying to assuage her guilt because dammit it wasn't her fault. #rihannainterview
It does seem like her guilt over being a "role model" is what actually got her out of the relationship, so at least it served that positive purpose. #rihannainterview
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and, when he apologizes publicly its for his fans and sponsors? wow, real sincere asshole. #chrisbrown
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She really impressed me throughout the whole interview - so mature and wise.
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Exactly! And the smarmy, "I'm young, so it still hurts my feelings..." crap was almost too much for me to watch. Are you fucking kidding with the little boy lost act? You beat the shit out of your girlfriend. A lot. And then one time she was hospitalized so we all found out. Now you want it to be: poor Chris, somebody [accurately] called him a woman beater?
One of the most striking things about his interview to me wasn't the PR spinning (I'm sure he was coached and that was the reason for the interview: no points for surprises there), it was the complete lack of self-reflection. You committed a violent crime against a woman you claim to love, and when asked about your motivations, after hours of court-ordered anger management and months of telling people you're "learning from your mistakes [ugh "mistake"!]", your response is "uhhh ... I dunno." Seriously, Chris Brown? Seriously? #chrisbrown
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They will seem genuinely hurt when I tell them that they're acting like mean little assholes (admittedly not the exact language I would use in a school setting). They expect people to somehow understand that they are really nice people who sometimes do assholey things, and the assholery should be written off as an exception to the rule.
'The real me,' to them, is different from the version of them that other people experience, and those others should accept the reality of that nice inner 'me' even if they don't get to see it much.
Listen to Batman, boys. It's not who you are inside, but what you DO that defines you.
Related: I would kind of like Batman to scare the hell out of Chris Brown by dangling him off a building until he cries for his mama and swears never to raise his hand or voice to a woman again. #chrisbrown
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Why did ABC News show that picture again? Way to be dicks, guys. #chrisbrown
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According to court records and other sources, Rihanna struck Brown in the face "numerous times" before Brown assaulted her. NCFM purports although that would not justify his more severe assault, her violence should not be ignored, and if she does not "woman up" to it then her message will be the usual one-sided double standards that leave female perpetration covered up.
The saying, "There is no excuse for domestic violence," applies to both sexes. Female violence in relationships is not rare but is often hypocritically deemed acceptable or humorous, such as in the film, Sideways. It is part of the cycle of domestic violence, which cannot be stopped without addressing the problem honestly. Children are damaged just by witnessing domestic violence, regardless of its severity. A 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire found women are as violent and as controlling as men in relationships worldwide #rihannainterview
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I wish Rihanna well and I hope she's on her way to having a great life. #rihannainterview
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Just because he and I were once in love doesn't mean he wasn't any less abusive or I wasn't any less a victim. It doesn't downplay what I went through, or color over what he did. I still left him, he still suffered consequences, and it was still abuse. Nevertheless, love was there at one time.
I think women who have been through horrible abuse have enough to deal with emotionally without having to worry about nitpickers trying to tell them that they didn't love so and so, they couldn't have, that using the word 'love' glorifies the experience, etc. These are real people with real feelings, and as much as people might want to marginalize and pigeonhole, it is possible to love someone who hurts you. #rihannainterview
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I also completely identify with her feeling that it was "embarrassing" to admit she loved him. I can say from experience that it TOTALLY DOES NOT HELP to have people asking you "What were you doing with him? I thought you were smarter than that. Why didn't you leave when you saw red flags?". Possibly well-intentioned questions like that are why victims clam up, don't talk to anyone about what is happening in their relationships, and feel shame later.
It's my belief that when Rhianna refuses to criticize him too much, it's less about him and more about her need to feel that he had some redeeming qualities - that there was some reason she was with him in the first place. It's about needing to feel that she still has good judgment, and isn't a total fool - or maybe that's just me, projecting how I felt.
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When the red flags start popping up, there always seems to be one "friend" around who will make excuses for them. "Maybe he was just stressed from work", "Maybe you picked the wrong time to ask him about [X]", "Do you really want to break up over that one little incident?" And so on. Been there.
The "support" of "friends" (and even family) may not be a factor in Rihanna's case, but I'll bet it's a factor in lots of them. #rihannainterview
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First - congratulations on getting out. I know how hard it is.
I still deal with this, and a series of "friends" who act like armchair quarterbacks, feeling completely justified in telling me what I SHOULD have felt or what I SHOULD have done - rebound guy even told me I was personally responsible for any woman my ex abused in the future. (Rebound guy bounced right off the backboard and outta my life soon after. )
We survived. We healed. We found a way to feel safe in our own skin again and still trust other people. For that I give you, and myself, a lot of credit. #rihannainterview
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I appreciate that she is speaking out even after she went back to Chris Brown and left him again. If anything, maybe it will help people understand just how difficult it is to be involved in an abusive relationship, and how it can be difficult to leave for a myriad of reasons. It would be nice if we all behaved perfectly in accordance with our politics at all times, but the fact is, we don't, and it takes a brave person to be willing to own up when they fall short of the ideal. #rihannainterview
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Maybe from afar I'm just trying to assuage her guilt because dammit it wasn't her fault. #rihannainterview
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I think people sometimes forget how young Rihanna is.
As for Chris Brown, I feel like he still doesn't get it. That Larry King interview was bizarre. #rihannainterview