i hereby move to strip the term PC from the collective consciousness of all people everywhere.
it makes me so sad to see people who i think are (for the most part) intelligent and on-my-side using a pejorative term for social sensitivity and responsible representation. the term PC is a strawman of the right that asserts their freedom to diminish and marginalize the other. what is so wrong about taking the care to give consideration to those whose identities are dissimilar to yours?
@KATE!: I think PC is a useful term for reasons I said below. You're right that's it's a strawmen of conservatives who use it to push for things like the freedom for buildings to discriminate against the disabled, The Bell Curve, etc. etc. That doesn't mean that it can't detract from complexity. For instance, in the movie The Family Stone there is a deaf gay man with a black boyfriend. The only character traits this person has is being deaf, being gay, and having a black boyfriend. #diablocody
I understand her to be saying that pursuing "PC" for its' own sake is missing the point of the cultural/gender/ethnic/etc. sensitivity that it purports to instill. And when the exercise of "PC" overtly shows a heavy hand, it detracts from the message and the evolution of progress.
More simply, I submit that she believes: Feminism is a collection of ideals, internal guiding principles that form behavior. PC is an imposed set of rules, that at times, seem arbitrary and distort expression and accuracy in discussion of the very issues it purports to address. #diablocody
Based on the context of her quote, I think she's saying that Hollywood's idea of political correctness shouldn't get in the way of a good story.
For instance, some might argue that it would have been more politically correct (to liberals) for Juno to have gotten an abortion -- I saw some editorials after the movie came out to that effect. Or for Jennifer Garner's character in the movie to be an astrophysicist instead of a housewife who wanted kids.
Lazy writers tend to make their characters into heteronormative, racially normative, whatever-normative stereotypes. Equally as lazy, if less offensive, is making those characters go against stereotypes in predictable ways. For instance, many filmmakers get away with having incredibly dull female characters by having those female characters fight or ride motorcycles or fix a car for you (sexily) (yes, I'm talking about you, Megan Fox).
That seems to me what she's saying. To those who say that this has nothing to do with feminism, I strongly disagree. Many (if not most) male writers use P.C. female characters as a placeholder for genuinely feminist creations, which for some reason many of them are not capable of (or don't bother with).
I don't think she's using it in the way right-wingers use it, which is more like "How dare you call my racist action racist! That is so predictable and P.C.!"
@eatsshootsleaves: PC would be having an abortion? I can't remember the last time a female character had an abortion. In fact, it's taboo. Law and Order just did a really factually inaccurate episode demonizing abortion, women who want it, and doctors who perform it. #diablocody
@Ginmar Rienne: How about this: for Juno to get an abortion (as some people suggested should seriously happen!) would have been a politically satisfying plot-line at the expense of genuine complexity (not that people who get abortions aren't complex, yadda yadda, but it's hard to deny that actively choosing NOT to get an abortion added greatly to the understanding of Juno's character, values, and insecurities) and, well, the entire movie. You can say that this wouldn't be P.C. just because abortion is controversial, but either way it represents bad writing for the sake of political adherence. #diablocody
@eatsshootsleaves: If people never have abortions in movies, how in hell can it be PC? It never happens, period. Cody isn't rocking the boat at all; she's towing the conservative line. Seeing as how abortion never gets covered, nobody can say it's not complicated because nobody's tried it. #diablocody
@Ginmar Rienne: You're missing my point. Abortion doesn't have to be a matter of political adherence -- 4 months, 3 weeks, 2 days is a great movie about an abortion. So is Fast Times at Ridgemont High. But having Juno get an abortion would have made the entire movie about 30 minutes long.
Juno doesn't toe the conservative line; whatever its flaws, it's not a movie that makes empty political considerations ahead of character ones. That's why its a good movie! I'm not saying that there aren't good political movies, or good movies where the protagonist makes political decisions that conform with my own, but usually those political decisions have some depth -- see the above two movies or even Dr. Strangelove. What's horrible -- and all-too-common -- is using devices that are politically acceptable to your audiences in the place of actual depth. See: Batgirl. #diablocody
@eatsshootsleaves: If Cody can't make an interesting movie without producing yet another movie where somebody has a baby, then there's her problem, not mine. Those movies you cite? One of them is twenty years old, and the other I've never heard of. Not a big hit like Juno. What the hell does Batgirl have to do with anything?
Juno makes pregnancy look all a lot simpler than it is, plus tosses a lot of tropes in there that are common. Witty, snappy dialogue does not excuse the same old flaws. #diablocody
I don't know why so many people are angry about Cody's comment here. If you read it in context, though it is still confusing, I think it does make more sense. It seems to me that she's saying that many filmmakers take the easy way out with their female characters - making them "independent" and "feminist" without ever bothering to create a real story for them. Thus, the movie is politically correct - i.e., no damsels in distress - but not really thought-provoking or interesting.
And P.S. I don't think she's trying to make a statement about political correctness in general, just in this context.
I don't know why making an effort to not cause others discomfort or hurt "sucks". When did being gracious and kind become so fucking uncool? #diablocody
The only thing I can think that she may have been trying to say is that in the context of feminism, there can be a distinction between true feminism and PC feminism. In my mind--and I'm not sure that she was saying this--feminism is something I associate with active effort to ensure the advancement of women and gender equality. By contrast, PC feminism connotes paying lip service to gender equality because it is "right" without actually caring, or truly working toward that goal. But this may just be the gospel according to Tchotchke and not what Diablo Cody meant. #diablocody
"These movies are very entertaining," says Diablo Cody, who wrote the screenplay for Juno, which ran away with the box office in 2007, earning nearly a quarter-billion dollars worldwide. "They’re an escapist genre unto themselves and have a place in the culture. But," she continues wickedly, "I hope women don’t think of them as cinema verité."
Funny, Cody's quote here could be talking about Juno itself. #diablocody
If no one attempted to be politically correct, then we'd all be stuck with the conversational equivalent of driving down a road where everyone agrees that the rules of how to drive and not hurt people are totes stupid. #diablocody
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it makes me so sad to see people who i think are (for the most part) intelligent and on-my-side using a pejorative term for social sensitivity and responsible representation. the term PC is a strawman of the right that asserts their freedom to diminish and marginalize the other. what is so wrong about taking the care to give consideration to those whose identities are dissimilar to yours?
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More simply, I submit that she believes: Feminism is a collection of ideals, internal guiding principles that form behavior. PC is an imposed set of rules, that at times, seem arbitrary and distort expression and accuracy in discussion of the very issues it purports to address. #diablocody
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For instance, some might argue that it would have been more politically correct (to liberals) for Juno to have gotten an abortion -- I saw some editorials after the movie came out to that effect. Or for Jennifer Garner's character in the movie to be an astrophysicist instead of a housewife who wanted kids.
Lazy writers tend to make their characters into heteronormative, racially normative, whatever-normative stereotypes. Equally as lazy, if less offensive, is making those characters go against stereotypes in predictable ways. For instance, many filmmakers get away with having incredibly dull female characters by having those female characters fight or ride motorcycles or fix a car for you (sexily) (yes, I'm talking about you, Megan Fox).
That seems to me what she's saying. To those who say that this has nothing to do with feminism, I strongly disagree. Many (if not most) male writers use P.C. female characters as a placeholder for genuinely feminist creations, which for some reason many of them are not capable of (or don't bother with).
I don't think she's using it in the way right-wingers use it, which is more like "How dare you call my racist action racist! That is so predictable and P.C.!"
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Juno doesn't toe the conservative line; whatever its flaws, it's not a movie that makes empty political considerations ahead of character ones. That's why its a good movie! I'm not saying that there aren't good political movies, or good movies where the protagonist makes political decisions that conform with my own, but usually those political decisions have some depth -- see the above two movies or even Dr. Strangelove. What's horrible -- and all-too-common -- is using devices that are politically acceptable to your audiences in the place of actual depth. See: Batgirl. #diablocody
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Juno makes pregnancy look all a lot simpler than it is, plus tosses a lot of tropes in there that are common. Witty, snappy dialogue does not excuse the same old flaws. #diablocody
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And P.S. I don't think she's trying to make a statement about political correctness in general, just in this context.
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[www.kaichang.net] #diablocody
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The article mentions Nicole Holofcener has a new movie coming out with Catherine Keener. Cannot. Wait.
She's one of my favorite writer directors. #diablocody
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Funny, Cody's quote here could be talking about Juno itself. #diablocody
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Urm...PIE. #diablocody
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