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Did Scientology "Kill" John Travolta's Son?

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Cesybabe or Nirvanah Crane
01/05/09

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I spent all of yesterday at a funeral for a 21 year old guy who drowned while swimming the day before New Years. We don't know why it happened, but we left the speculation slone out of respect for him and his family. I just wish Jett Travolta could be afforded the same consideration, but alas they can't, just because of what his parents do.
RIP Blair and Jett.
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ellaesther
01/05/09

@Cesybabe or Nirvanah Crane: Oh honey, I'm so sorry for your loss. What a terrible thing.
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Cesybabe or Nirvanah Crane
01/05/09

@ellaesther: Thank you. The really horrid thing for me was I was supposed to see him the very next day, and go swimming in the lake with him. It's still totally surreal. But luckily we have a great group of people surrounding us all.
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ellaesther
01/05/09

@Cesybabe or Nirvanah Crane: Good luck. I'm glad to know you're surrounded by love.
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BlondeGoddess
01/05/09

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Like Gwyneth, I'm on a detox diet too. Mine involves eating less chocolate and drinking less wine. Hell, I tell you, HELL.
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IceCreamIsAwesome
01/05/09

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Fine Jennifer, have it your way, you finally won me over. All these years, even before Brad I didn't see what the big deal was and lately I've just wished you would shut up but with that quote you now have me forever. . . . RIP Penny Lane the best damn dog that ever lived!
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ArtfulSlinger
01/05/09

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Also, I will give Travolta the same respect that he gave the grieving families of Heath Ledger and Anna Nicole Smith with his day after each of their deaths, he gave interviews to multiple media outlets on how Scientology could have prevented both of their deaths. Now thats classy, right?
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
01/05/09

@ArtfulSlinger: Careful, your asshole is showing.

How do you think you'll get to be classy by behaving exactly like the classless?
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katekate is squared
01/05/09

@ArtfulSlinger: I hope you see the irony in this comment.
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Raspberry Swirly
01/05/09

@braak: @katekate is squared: I think they're going for the sarcastic use of classy here.
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ArtfulSlinger
01/05/09

@katekate is squared: That was the point. Irony and apparently from Braak's point of view, my ignorant asshole.
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
01/05/09

@Raspberry Swirl: Dance Party Coordinator: Yes, the joke is pretty easy to understand. By calling John Travolta "classy," Artful is implying that he is, indeed, classless.

Which is fine. My point is, see the "I will give Travolta the same respect that he gave others" bit? If you're right in saying that John Travolta has no class, why would you want to act like him?

Only an asshole ignorant of the second irony would do that.
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Alexis
01/05/09

@ArtfulSlinger:

So we should call him a murderer for doing stupid interviews on Anna Nicole Smith and Heath Ledger? People talk about how their religion could have helped other people all the time. It's pretty annoying on all fronts, but I don't see how this relates to accusing Travolta of criminal neglect.
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ArtfulSlinger
01/05/09

@Evlsushi: I said nothing of Travolta being criminally negligent with his child nor a murderer in the above comment. I was merely stating, in an apparently ignorant asshole way, that while most commenters on this site have been requesting that others of us give his family the respect a family deserves in the wake of a tragedy, Mr. Travolta was not as classy by going to several media outlets touting the specifics that his religion would have been able to save Ledger and Smith in the wakes of their deaths.
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Raspberry Swirly
01/05/09

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Can I just say that Say, Say, Say is one of my favorite songs? Because it is.
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ellaesther
01/05/09

@Raspberry Swirl: Dance Party Coordinator: Oh dear. And this from the girl with all the cool video links and dance parties on New Year's Eve/Day. Well. /shifts eyes uncomfortably/
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Raspberry Swirly
01/05/09

@ellaesther: I know it should be shameful, but dammit, these two were high on the awesome scale when I was little and I will never stop hating this. I think it's the harmonica. It calls to me.
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Glitterbug (likes life shaken, not stirred)
01/05/09

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Um - what exactly can Gwyneth eat?

Christopher Ciccone - shameless famewhore. To be honest, though, I'm not that interested in Madonna any more. There's only so much one can read about her four-hour-a-day workouts. It makes me feel like a lazy slob.

I loved Michelle Trachtenberg on Gossip Girl. She was a far more believable bitch than Serena, and I love a good villain!

How can mini-me order her around like a slave? I'm not advocating domestic violence, but I'm sure she can beat him in a tussle.
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ArtfulSlinger
01/05/09

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No offense to anyone here, but I can only assume that most of you do not have extensive knowledge of the cult that is Scientology. I would love to just look at the death of a 16 year old boy as some random tragic event, but after the intense work I did on multiple projects about the cult and its members, specifically Mr. Travolta, foul play is the only thing plausible. Of course I feel terrible for a family who has lost their son, but if you believe that avoiding reality, not treating your son's medical condition with the correct prescriptions and employing and unlicensed and unknowledgeable man as the nanny to your sick child as not foul play, I feel bad for you. It's difficult to wrap your head around a child dying at such an incredibly tender age, but all that I know about Mr. Travolta and his beliefs screams AT FAULT! But lucky for him, he's rich and famous and nothing will probably come from this.
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katekate is squared
01/05/09

@ArtfulSlinger: Look, I think Scientology is as weird and probably dangerous as the next guy, but seriously, how do you know any of this? What condition were they not treating? It sounds like they HAVE been treating a seizure disorder (which are very hard to treat--the medications can have awful side effects and are changed a lot and take years to get right), but are you talking about the autism thing? Because last I checked, autism is not fatal.

Stupid? Yeah. Foul play? Not so much. They have to live with the choices they made for the rest of their lives.
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
01/05/09

@katekate is squared: Autism, by the way, is also not especially treatable.
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Bunsen Honeydew
01/05/09

@ArtfulSlinger: You can go ahead and think what you want about the Travolta situation. I am going to go ahead and think you're a judgmental chump and guilty of religious discrimination. Cool? Cool.
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Bunsen Honeydew
01/05/09

@ArtfulSlinger: Oh, I'd also be interested to hear where some of this "extensive research" you keep lightly bringing up was conducted.
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Alexis
01/05/09

@ArtfulSlinger: You keep mentioning this "extensive research" with nothing more than rumors and speculation to back it up. You sound more like TMZ than an informed opinion. I actually know people that have gotten sucked up into Scientology, and it's a fucking crazy mess of a religion. But I really don't know anything about Travolta and his family.

Seems like you don't either.
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Bunsen Honeydew
01/05/09

@Evlsushi: I was assuming it might have been wikipedia, but TMZ is just as good of a possibility. Sigh.
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RedHotz
01/06/09

@ArtfulSlinger: Until you are a parent and dealing with epilepsy up close and personal you can kiss my ever loving ass! I deal with it every single day and have done so for the last 20 years! My son is my world and I would want to die if something happened to him and I can't even begin to imagine what the John Travolta and Kelly Preston are going through. Every picture I have ever seen of them with their son you could see how much they adored him.

As far as them not telling the world what his conditions was well frankly it was not anybodies damn business but their own. Also can any of us say exactly what they did or didn't do? For all anyone knows they could have had some of the best therapists, physical therapists, speech pathologists, doctors or whatever in the world treating their child.

Yes Scientology is weird to most of us but for them it is what works, just as Paganism is what works for me. Christianity works for others and whatever religion that people chose to follow or not follow works for them. Should all religions be outlawed because one person thinks they are wrong or a cult? There are many religions that ban medical intervention, medicines and various medical treatments are they cults also?sick and tired of your holier than thou attitude. You seem to have it out for John Travolta and Kelly Preston.
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thebestofjillhives
01/05/09

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From family experience I can tell you that seizure medications are wrought with side effects and very hard to regulate. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Sometimes you'll go for years without an episode, other times only minutes. Making a decision to take their son off of the meds may have been the best thing for him, it's impossible to tell... but even non-zenu families are faced with the same choices, and often make the same decision that the Travoltas did.
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BlondeGoddess
01/05/09

@thebestofjilhives: What you said. Some of these meds are so toxic (like Topamax), they could make you more sick than you actually are.
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morninggloria
01/05/09

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I have personally had terrible experience pissing off an Indian woman who was the girlfriend of the guy who I thought was my boyfriend. I know that oversimplifying people into races and then judging them within categories is bad, but hotdamn I will never mess with another Indian woman's love life. Ever.
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ellaesther
01/05/09

@morninggloria: You see, this is why I'm not getting any work done today: "a guy who I thought was my boyfriend"? Now that's a story!
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NefariousNewt
01/05/09

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If Michael Jackson wants to make peace with Sir Paul, he needs to give him the Beatles catalog back now.
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angryblackgurl
01/05/09

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Welcome back Dodai!!

I have only sadness for the Travolta family.

Why do I always think of David Spade as gay??

Ammazed that Amy Winehouse made it through 2008, god looks after fools...and you know the rest....
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scootsincutoffs
01/05/09

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I saw Richard Belzer eating outside a block away from my apartment. I almost went home to get my cat Briscoe to show him. Granted, I was 16.
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I'm Chuck Bass
01/05/09

@scootsincutoffs: That is absolutely adorable, and now I want to get a cat and name him Detective Munch. Hee.
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labeled
01/05/09

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Dear Eva Mendes,

Follow the yellow brick road, see a guy about getting a clue.

Love,

Labeled

ps. Funny, because your heart started out in the right place. You might ask him about that too.
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BeAgrestic
01/05/09

@labeled: Seriously. Her comment about Kate is the epitome of a back-handed compliment.
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labeled
01/05/09

@BeAgrestic: Being Southern, I appreciate a good back-handed compliment.

Being human, Eva Mendes is annoying the shit out of me with her "If I ONLY HAD THAT ROLE! No, wait, TWO OF THEM!"
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Hooplehead
01/05/09

@labeled: Note to Eva-doing nude scenes does not make you a great actress.
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tscheese
01/05/09

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Y'know, Gwyneth, I kinda get it. It's a new and fancy year, and with a new and fancy year comes all kinds of new and fancy ideas for how to improve yourself and your life.

I briefly considered taking on some ultra-healthy diet just for a little while. Y'know, just to see what it was like. Oh, maybe not as extreme as yours--I like this thing called "eating, like, actual food, in a manner that is not especially pretentious"(you should try it sometime)--but y'know, something along those lines.

Then I remembered that omg ham and cheese omelets.
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whatsername
01/05/09

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Get off my lawn alert: People like friggin' Gwyneth Paltrow and their "I really can't eat....EVERYTHING UNDER THE BLOODY SUN" annoy the shit out of me. They give people who make sound conscious choices about a healthy diet a bad name. Fercrapssake, its got me muttering to myself 'we're humans! We're omnivores!" (veggie jezzies pls don't attack, I'm saying that i KNOW veggieanism is sound etc, its the ridiclousness of some diets that make me roll my eyes. same goes for people who go the other way).
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Bunsen Honeydew
01/05/09

@whatsergem: The elimination of condiments really bugs me. It just screams "I'm trying to be better than you! I don't need to have flavor in anything!!!!"
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