I think I'm off online dating for a while, mostly because while I love going on dates, I think I need to de-guy for a while and maybe try meeting dudes while I'm out and about. ...I give it three months.
I met my boyfriend of 2.5 years on Match.com. Before him, I had dates with a few nice, normal men who I probably wouldn't have had a chance to meet otherwise. Some of the people who wrote to me were clearly a little weird, but if you have a good radar you can spot them pretty early - and I'd rather try to lose a weirdo via anonymous e-mail than in person at a bar.
I also got some messages from gigantic asshats who clearly had entitlement issues and who felt free to criticize everything about me and my profile. I don't know what to say except that jerks and freaks are everywhere in the offline world too. The internet at least gives you a fighting chance at filtering them out.
I can't watch The Onion video right now, because it feels too true to life. If I see someone who is described as "fit," I think "Well no way they want to date me." I just had one guy go up in flames (not literally) and I think to myself that there was no way he really found me attractive, and just wanted sex. Which he did not get, by the way. I also think that if he met me in person, he would have been disappointed.
@lalaland13: I've been on-and-off-and-on-and-off various dating sites online for years - Match, Matchmaker, eHarmony, Yahoo, AOL, Plenty of Fish, etc... - and am pretty much a grizzled veteran of the online dating world. Almost all of my guy friends have had ads online as well, and our consensus is that if a guy writes you a decently thought-out letter, not just a "hey, saw yer pix, thought u wuz hottt!" email, then he's probably really, truly interested in *you*. Yes, a good picture or two helps. Sure, the ridiculously attractive people are going to get more emails and potential suitors. But a well-written, funny, sincere profile can make a world of difference. Your comments on here are usually either pretty funny or well-thought, depending on the subject, and I'd have to think that any personal ad you'd write would be funny as well. If you set the stage right, then there's no way any good man would be disappointed.
Online dating has enabled me to meet far more men than I would normally have a chance to. Most of my dates have been positive even when they did not lead to anything permanent. Fortunately only one or two have been utter jerks. The only man who took me out for a meal and paid for it on the first date was a French financier. Maybe they do things differently on the Continent.
@Rare Affinity: Every guy I've been out with paid for all the food/drinks on a first date.
Maybe they just knew if I was smashed I'd be more likely to sleep with them.
I tried using OKCupid over the summer and it was just one blow to my confidence after another. After filtering out all the creepy 60 year olds who'd send messages about how much I look like a doll, I still got a string of self esteem killers.
I turned one guy down after 10 minutes of stilted conversation and three comments about my chest and he started accusing me of being a tease and that I was "false advertising" in my pictures. Apparently if you don't agree to sex after the first conversation and show anything below the collarbone you're a teasing bitch. I wish I could say this was the only time on the site that a guy lashed out over IM, but I'd be lying through my teeth. It really makes me nervous for any woman who turns these guys down in person.
I'd like to start dating, I'm terrible about talking to people in bars, but so far the internet has just been a scary, scary place.
@CynicalPink: I've never heard of OKCupid, but it doesn't sound like the best of places. Try LavaLife or Match.com. Avoid eHarmony.com -- they strike me as creepy, for other reasons.
@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce: yeah--eharmony is eight shades of creepy, starting with the fact that our gay brothers and sisters need not apply there. eww. match/nerve (does the latter still exist?) seem to work well.
@CynicalPink: OkCupid's not BAD, you just seriously have to block the "casual encounters" people immediately. I had one guy start IMing me on it and when I checked his profile, he listed his favorite book as the Bible and himself as a conservative. I was very careful to include in my profile that I was a feminist, a Buddhist, and a liberal. I called him on not having actually looked at my profile and immediately got a notification that he was looking at it. He left me alone. You just need to be very direct with those guys.
@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce: My brother met his wife through eHarmony and they just had a baby last week. His wife is awesome, I like her a lot. I've heard good and bad about eHarmony; my boyfriend (who I met on nerve personals) did eHarmony and hated it. He got no matches. I had better luck on match.com and nerve, but definitely, you have to wade through the dreck to get to the people who aren't creepy, cheating or shallow.
That happened constantly! I wonder why they do that? People who obviously didn't look at my profile where I said specifically "if you are just looking for sex I can't help you move on soldier." I actually got one guy ask how many dates it took me to put out after like five minutes. The blocker button and I are tight.
@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce eHarmony freaks me out too. I also feel like I'm not the kinda clientele they're looking for. I'm not looking to get married and have 10,000 good christian babies any time soon, so I think it's best we keep out of each other's way ;)
I'm so sick of people who say things like "No drama" and "No games". It's very unoriginal, plus there's no one around saying bring on the drama and games. It also suggests to anyone that you have lots of baggage (clearly you were a victim of drama and games in the past).
@Office Hussy: "I want a girl with no drama, no games, who looks good in jeans or an evening gown, who can go hiking or to a sophisticated restaurant, who is in shape and takes care of herself but not vain, who is self-confident but doesn't need to be the center of attention, who is independent but needs me, who has a great laugh and smile and wants the real deal."
There. I just wrote the profile of 90% of the men I saw on Match.com. Who are these dudes who want a woman who completely contradicts herself?
the thing about online dating sites that really sucks is how men can run crazy insanely hot one minute and icy frozen tundra cold the next..before you even meet them in person. it's because they have so many to choose from, and a guy can be all crawled up your ass one moment to completely MIA within the span of a few hours, which is when i delete them and then get the "where did you go" instant message THREE WEEKS LATER.
all the good men are taken. the ones that aren't all want the same woman, and that woman ain't me. this is the part where i watch bridget jones's diary again on my dvr.
@rednrowdy: I think it's generally the opposite. Men aren't the ones with their inboxes flooded upon joining these sites and "the approach", regardless of how entrenched it is in outdated society mores, is still mostly the responsibility of the guy.
@rednrowdy: oh yeah--the hot and cold deal. and they think we're temperamental?? methinks it's all about their assumption that everyone they contact wants them, and that the shear volume of women that want them simply overwhelms. it's a theory, anyway.
bridget with a side of vodka does help make sense of it all.
@rednrowdy: It ain't just guys that do that. I spent hours on the phone with one woman, texted and emailed almost constantly for a period of two or three weeks and then she disappeared. The other side is that I had one woman declare her undying love for me ON THE FIRST FUCKING DATE. I was single until my forties, and I think I'm a damn good man, so all of them aren't taken.
@ozu: well, for starters, not all women have flooded inboxes. secondly, the numbers support that there are more women on online dating sites than men. so yes, they do have more to choose from, which keeps them from investing any real amount of time with anyone.
@thatgirlinnewyork: I have found that if you make any move toward a guy online - being the first to e-mail or wink or whatever -they assume that you are desperate to fuck them. Rather than, you know, just wanting to chat and learn more about them.
@token_illiterate_commenter: i've met guys online who have told me about their crazy dates, too...and i've had my fair share of crazies, too. nobody has ever declared their love, but i did have a guy who ditched me on a date after we were close to 4 hours into it (lots of dinner and talking), and the other date where i went out with him and then got a call from his girlfriend the next day. oh, the deception.
@Flackette Goes Retro: I have found that if you make any move toward a guy online - being the first to e-mail or wink or whatever -they assume that you are desperate to fuck them. Rather than, you know, just wanting to chat and learn more about them.
@rednrowdy: Oh yeah, I cosign that. It's so weird; all I want is to find out whether this photo is actually you and you wrote all these words in yor profile! And this desperate? Yeesh, if your ego is that inflated, clearly you have other problems I don't need to sign on to.
Online dating works if you’re pretty good at picking people for yourself in real life, too. I can’t tell you the stupid, stupid crap I’ve heard people say about people who show an interest in them online—good people are tossed aside, bad people are embraced.
"He asked me what my vagina looks like, which is maybe creepy, but his profile is kinda cool. And he’s been in therapy for the past 10 years, which I think shows a lot of self reflection and I think that's important."
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"He’s cute and funny, but he’s an ENGLISH TEACHER! I need a man with MONEY!"
@LaComtesse: There was a study a while back about how women would choose men at speeddating that they would not choose online, because in the former they knew they had a limited number of options. Internet dating in any major city gives you SO MUCH to choose from, that you can discount a perfectly good guy in five seconds, when you'd talk to the guy all night in a bar.
@LaComtesse: I have a friend like this "He's really cute, right?" Yes, but it says he's an atheist and you're really involved in your church also you never ever drink and he says he drinks regularly and sometimes does drugs." and she'll be like "But he's super cute!"
@LaComtesse: I've found that I'm having far better luck since I've loosened up in my requirements. I'm going out with guys that I usually would have dismissed. I"m actually having some fun and meeting some interesting people because of it.
@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce: In some ways I think internet dating encourages that - you have to explain yourself and your 'perfect' mate in a couple of paragraphs? You want to stay open to possibilities, but you don't want to waste your time with dealbreakers. I found it very distressing having to boil myself and a potential mate down that way.
you concentrate on one or two characteristics and miss out on alot of fun people who may not like scuba diving
I met my boyfriend through an online dating site, and when I tell people this I'm always quick to qualify it: "He was my first and only date from the site; it was a local Portland hipster site, not one of those ones that you see on tv commercials." Obviously online dating worked for me- we live together now- so I just need to get over any lingering embarrassment. In the end I think it's way better than meeting guys in bars, which was my previous technique, unfortunately.
@NellMood: the more straight up you are about it, the better. we thought we had to make up some ridiculous story about meeting, but i've heard so many people my parents' age say, "well that's how the kids are meeting these days..." that i doubt it carries much stigma any more.
I think the most important tip I can give is not to go more than two weeks without meeting someone. If you are both interested, you will find a way to work it into your schedule. The worst thing you can do is carry on an extended courtship before you've ever met, because you will have so much invested by the time you meet in person, there will be no way you can neutrally evaluate if the flesh-and-blood person is what you are looking for in a mate.
@FatLynn: Yeah I sort of went through this with an Okcupid guy. I was so busy trying to be open-minded, but he kept making sex jokes and we could never get our schedules coordinated and finally we set a date and he canceled, making me realize I was dreading it more than anything. As much as he said it wasn't a booty call, I'm not sure I believed him.
@FatLynn: i dunno--my mileage was different. i met my husband online, and can honestly say that the first date went much more smoothly because we'd exchanged a lot of ideas and talked for a month prior. in hindsight, it was very romantic, but would have equally produced a warm friendship, based on the comfort developed. it wasn't about schedule, per se--as multi-dimensional as we thought our profiles would present us, there was plenty each of us wanted to know.
previous candidates were met far more quickly, and i found most of them way more anxious the sooner we met.
@FatLynn: I've been through this for the past six weeks or so with one guy (I started dating another but I think that's ending, much to my dismay) - he went to my high school AND college so we have tons of mutual friends, and we keep text-flirting. Yeeeeeah, we hung out for the first time last night, and it was terrible. He was boring and kind of an asshole, and I left after half an hour. No thank you.
My wife and I are the happy result of on-line dating. The only rules you need to follow are 1) be honest and 2) demand honesty. The other person strikes you as fishy -- they are.
we complain about the game-playing, and yet the medium seems to encourage it all the more for some. e.g. those who list their relationships as "discreet". always loved those.
Oh man, my favorite part is the first (and only) date. I generally don't want to see the dudes after the first date, but it's a fun experience and I get a free meal.
@wooden_shoes: I never did an actual meal as a first date when I was doing online dating. It's too long a commitment to get stuck. And I wouldn't let the guy pay if I wasn't interested in a second date, except for the one guy who was so rude I decided he deserved to pay for my wasted time.
@Lymed: No way. Dating for dinner is how I do it. If they pay they go on the list of "possible" second dates. If they don't pay then I don't bother. I could date people I meet in real life, but they're all broke and I end up paying. This is way more enjoyable.
Because everyone knows that sex is a game. A competition between a shy, modest, virginal woman who wants to keep herself pure for marriage, and a dastardly, scheming man who will try every trick in the book to get her to bed him. If he wins, she is his 'conquest!' If she wins, she is a frigid bitch.
Of course, the only surefire way he can convince a woman to sleep with him is if he first makes her a long-term commitment, preferably marriage (or if he acts like a gentleman for 90 days). After all, she can't be seduced by the desires of her body, only satisfied by the conditions under which she gives herself to him.
If only women had a sex drive. This whole dating thing would be so much easier.
"Every man wakes up for some woman, somewhere. Every REAL man."
What a heterosexist jerkwad.
In regards to the 90 day thing, is it a crime for a woman to think that sex is a benefit she'll be RECEIVING from a relationship, not just giving? It seems weird to basically hold sex hostage for 90 days until he proves himself deserving of it. Generally speaking, I don't have sex with a partner because she deserves it, but because we both want to. Then again, who knows what you crazy straights get up to in the bedroom!
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I also got some messages from gigantic asshats who clearly had entitlement issues and who felt free to criticize everything about me and my profile. I don't know what to say except that jerks and freaks are everywhere in the offline world too. The internet at least gives you a fighting chance at filtering them out.
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Maybe they just knew if I was smashed I'd be more likely to sleep with them.
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I turned one guy down after 10 minutes of stilted conversation and three comments about my chest and he started accusing me of being a tease and that I was "false advertising" in my pictures. Apparently if you don't agree to sex after the first conversation and show anything below the collarbone you're a teasing bitch. I wish I could say this was the only time on the site that a guy lashed out over IM, but I'd be lying through my teeth. It really makes me nervous for any woman who turns these guys down in person.
I'd like to start dating, I'm terrible about talking to people in bars, but so far the internet has just been a scary, scary place.
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That happened constantly! I wonder why they do that? People who obviously didn't look at my profile where I said specifically "if you are just looking for sex I can't help you move on soldier." I actually got one guy ask how many dates it took me to put out after like five minutes. The blocker button and I are tight.
@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce eHarmony freaks me out too. I also feel like I'm not the kinda clientele they're looking for. I'm not looking to get married and have 10,000 good christian babies any time soon, so I think it's best we keep out of each other's way ;)
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No games == Not a fan of the Olympics.
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I just wanted to play monopoly :(
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There. I just wrote the profile of 90% of the men I saw on Match.com. Who are these dudes who want a woman who completely contradicts herself?
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all the good men are taken. the ones that aren't all want the same woman, and that woman ain't me. this is the part where i watch bridget jones's diary again on my dvr.
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@rednrowdy: I think it's generally the opposite. Men aren't the ones with their inboxes flooded upon joining these sites and "the approach", regardless of how entrenched it is in outdated society mores, is still mostly the responsibility of the guy.
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bridget with a side of vodka does help make sense of it all.
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"He asked me what my vagina looks like, which is maybe creepy, but his profile is kinda cool. And he’s been in therapy for the past 10 years, which I think shows a lot of self reflection and I think that's important."
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"He’s cute and funny, but he’s an ENGLISH TEACHER! I need a man with MONEY!"
The list goes on.
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@EdnasEdibles: Ugh. Yes. Or just a guy who is CLEARLY the same kind of tool they joined Match.com SPECIFICALLY to get away from...
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you concentrate on one or two characteristics and miss out on alot of fun people who may not like scuba diving
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I mean, he could have family money!
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@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce: Nor I, though I seem to be the only one among my ladies...
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Pfft. You kidding me? I'd kill to have an English teacher around to proofread my papers.
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previous candidates were met far more quickly, and i found most of them way more anxious the sooner we met.
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so true, and yet the 'having something to hide' game continues.
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we complain about the game-playing, and yet the medium seems to encourage it all the more for some. e.g. those who list their relationships as "discreet". always loved those.
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Of course, the only surefire way he can convince a woman to sleep with him is if he first makes her a long-term commitment, preferably marriage (or if he acts like a gentleman for 90 days). After all, she can't be seduced by the desires of her body, only satisfied by the conditions under which she gives herself to him.
If only women had a sex drive. This whole dating thing would be so much easier.
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What a heterosexist jerkwad.
In regards to the 90 day thing, is it a crime for a woman to think that sex is a benefit she'll be RECEIVING from a relationship, not just giving? It seems weird to basically hold sex hostage for 90 days until he proves himself deserving of it. Generally speaking, I don't have sex with a partner because she deserves it, but because we both want to. Then again, who knows what you crazy straights get up to in the bedroom!