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gobblegirl
06/10/09

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I wish I were a doctor. I would move to the United States and open an abortion clinic across the street. I really would.
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TheGuvnah
06/10/09

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This is a publicity stunt, people. Not going to happen.
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bowleserised
06/10/09

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Didn't the killer have a phone number for someone from Operation Rescue who has a previous conviction for planning to bomb womens' clinics?

My how quick off the mark they were with this offer.

Fucking bastards.
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PaintedTrollop
06/10/09

@bowleserised: Yes. He had the number for Cheryl Sullenger, Operation Rescue's Senior Policy Advisor, who spend 2 years in prison for conspiring to bomb a clinic in CA. I guess we know what kind of policy she advised.
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bowleserised
06/10/09

@PaintedTrollop: The words "indecent haste" spring to mind. Maybe even "obscene haste".
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WhineAndCheese
06/10/09

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There really SHOULD be a place for women to go who are pregnant and not sure what to do. Somewhere that they will learn ALL options. Abortion, adoption, motherhood.

There's a lot of girls/women who don't have anyone to talk to and end up making a poor decision.

I'm not sure what a "life center" is, but i assume it will be a strictly pro-life brainwashing center.
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bluebears
06/10/09

@WhineAndCheese: there IS, its called Planned Parenthood and they're being driven out of business.
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WhineAndCheese
06/10/09

@bluebears: I've never been to a planned parenthood. From stories I've heard, they don't seem like they so much counsel women or help them make decisions. Maybe it's just the ones in my area though?
Regardless, PP is still pretty important and awesome. Hope they survive.
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bluebears
06/10/09

@WhineAndCheese: I believe they employ social workers or at least refer out.
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bluebears
06/10/09

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I'm dying to know the salary that these "pro-life" leaders are taking home from the respective organizations they front.
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greengrey
06/10/09

@bluebears: Probably not very much.
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bluebears
06/10/09

@greengrey (is not a star!): I bet its more than you think. Thousands of people donate money and they have really low overhead.
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SarahMC
06/10/09

@bluebears: Why, the knowledge that they've saved untold lives every time they spend an afternoon picketing an abortion clinic is enough for them!
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greengrey
06/10/09

@bluebears: But the anti-choice movement as a whole doesn't seem to be very "money". I don't see protests (or even meet anti-choicers) in the more expensive cities/places to live. Seems the movement is based in middle class suburban/rural areas. Or shitty cities that you couldn't pay me to live in.

Maybe for the areas they live in they have a decent income, but they couldn't survive outside their bubbles.
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PaintedTrollop
06/10/09

@greengrey (is not a star!): But people fly in, drive in from all over the country to their events. I'm betting that the anti-choice movement is a lot like some churches - the kind who relentlessly dun their parishoners. One way to keep people involved and invested is to get them to send money. I picture people who can barely keep food on the table sending their monthly pledge to Operation Rescue.

Troy Newman moved his family to Witchita so that he could make Dr. Tiller his life's work. He needs to come up with something to justify his continued presence, now that one of his terrorists killed Tiller.
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bluebears
06/10/09

@SarahMC: ball-cutting cybersuccubus: heh.

@greengrey (is not a star!): yeah but you could have said the same thing about the demographic that donated money to all those televangelists in the 80s and those people turned out to be rolling in it. Paging the IRS?
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HuckleberryFriend
06/10/09

@bluebears: I used to work at an up-scale tax firm, and I would occasionally sneak a glance (totally illegally) at the tax return of our wealthiest clients- more than one of them had donated thousands of dollars to a forced-birth organization. I'm not sure how representative that was, but it scared the shit out of me.
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MsChicklet
06/10/09

@PaintedTrollop: It makes one wonder how Scott Roeder, with no money, was able to go all around Kansas to harass people, vandalize clinics and murder a doctor. If he got one cent from anyone in Operation Rescue, I hope the government seizes the group's assets and the Tiller's family picks the bones clean of Newman, Sullenger, et al.
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PaintedTrollop
06/10/09

@MsChicklet: Someone was financing Roeder. I hope that there is a serious investigation, not just a whitewash.
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bluebears
06/10/09

@PaintedTrollop: me too.
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SarahMC
06/10/09

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Not sure why they'd want to give the public the impression that the pro-life movement is getting anything out of the Tiller murder, though. Because if they buy the bldg and turn it into a center for lies, it will send the message to other potential killers that gunning down abortion providers is the thing to do if you want to end abortion in X area and establish crisis pregnancy centers instead.
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SarahMC
06/10/09

@SarahMC: ball-cutting cybersuccubus: Basically it's like "Oh, sry we may have motivated that guy to kill your husband/father, but... wanna sell us the building?"
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PaintedTrollop
06/10/09

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Troy Newman needs to justify his existence. He moved to Witchita expressly to harass Dr. Tiller - and one of his whackjobs shot the golden goose. Newman needs to come up with something to try to rinse the blood spatter off his dirty terrorist enabling hands.
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gobblegirl
06/10/09

@PaintedTrollop: Not all the water in all the oceans in the world.
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Snowbunny
06/10/09

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I just made my hand into a claw of rage and did that thing that cats do (the really fast, quick slashing) to my bed in rage.
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bluebears
06/10/09

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I'm actually kind of glad in a sick way this is happening (or being talked about) honestly all the press in the last week or so has really shown anti-choicers real colors. Hateful and narrow minded.
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kithkin
06/10/09

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Center for life: Aquarium.

Center for life: Zoo.

Center for life: Botanical garden.

Center for life: Wildlife preserve.

Not a center for life: crisis pregnancy counseling office.
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DutchessOfDork
06/10/09

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Some people seem to think quantity of life should matter more than quality. These fuckers are the worst of them all.
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femaledwightschrute
06/10/09

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Let's just call it The Center for Insensitivity and Everything That's Wrong With Operation Rescue's Pro-Life Stance then.
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BabyJane
06/10/09

@femaledwightschrute: That sounds about right.
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AthertonMerriweather
06/10/09

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A center for life, but they will only welcome those who agree with them. The rest they will murder.
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lalaland13
06/10/09

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I love how readers on the Wichita Eagle's' Web site were saying "Well at least babies will live now that he's dead! Imagine the babies that have survived since he died!"

Well, actually, dude, women who get third trimester terminations do it because they feel like it's the best option of a bunch of not-good ones. They do it because it allows them some control of an awful situation, and because their baby might very well die within minutes or days of being born. So yes, you "saved" them. Good job, anti-choicers. Instead of being terminated, babies will now get born! Then die. But that's OK, right?
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SarahMC
06/10/09

@lalaland13: Everything will be hunky dory for these babies now that the moms who *wanted* to abort them for whatever reason have been prevented from doing so due to terrorism.
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tonightineed is actually Mrs. Ziegler-Spock
06/10/09

@lalaland13: Indeed. In a situation where death would immediately follow birth, it's like "Well done, you. The mother didn't get to lose the child on her terms, so now she has to deliver a baby she knows is going to die shortly thereafter, and so it's great that the baby gets to struggle to live for a few minutes before dying. It's so much better that way, isn't it?"
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lalaland13
06/10/09

@SarahMC: ball-cutting cybersuccubus: Yes, God can do miracles!

I actually saw someone make that argument as to why abortion shouldn't be allowed in these cases. Sorry, dude, but I'm gonna go with my doctor over your god.
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EkaterinaBallerina
06/10/09

@lalaland13: What a load of crap. You know how many babies have been saved? ZERO. He terminated fetuses that were not viable or going to die anyway. So the "lives" he would have terminated are gone anyway.

I don't mean to be so callous, but it angers me to no end that people don't see that in every situation Tiller was involved in, the end result would be exactly the same if he hadn't intervened. Except he saved some families and women a lot of pain and sadness, not to mention some of their lives.
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EkaterinaBallerina
06/10/09

@tonightineed is actually Mrs. Ziegler-Spock: The fact that many of these fetuses will go on to be babies who are put through agonizing pain and torture before they die, is completely lost on these people.
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morninggloria
06/10/09

@lalaland13: Maybe the people who want babies to live work for a medical supply company that makes neonatal intensive care equipment and they really want these babies to be born and live a one week long, heartbreaking, painful, and treatment-intensive existence. Ka-ching!
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SarahMC
06/10/09

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A center for life that nurtures and cares for babies, huh? What, like an orphanage or something? What the hell is he talking about? FUCK THESE PEOPLE!
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