Work stole me away from Jez today, so I'm just getting around to reading this, and... ugh. As I clicked on the article, I held my breath and chanted, "Not Snellville, not Snellville, not Snellville." And then, when it wasn't my hometown, I didn't feel a bit better. Goddamnit, how is this still happening? And administration-sanctioned prejudice? Not only does this look like a lack of progress, but it feels like regression.
@KATE!: I dunno. Speaking anecdotally, clothing was much more OMG-WHAT-ARE-YOU-WEARING distracting when I was at a Catholic school with a strict dress code than in a public school where it was a wardrobe free-for-all. When somebody above you, whether it be your principal or mainstream masculine culture, is making an issue of what you're wearing, it's easier to get caught up in it as a student. But I can only speak from personal experience.
Last night I was at a restaurant bar after work and happened to look up from my computer when a family was walking out. I did a double-take because there was this boy, probably 16 or so, all limbs, wearing heels. Everything else, skinny jeans, top, were "boy" clothes. He couldn't even walk in them, and I thought it was fucking cute as hell.
Transgriot has a post with a video of the student here: [transgriot.blogspot.com] Monica reads the student as trans, but it's unclear to me if Escobar identifies that way, so I'm going to try and avoid using pronouns. (Hell, at 16, Escobar may still be figuring out an identity.)
The problem with a school dress code that bans "disruptive clothing" is that what counts as disruptive depends on mainstream social mores, and could be seen not just as an article of clothing that provokes conflict (a confederate flag T or a shirt with an abortion message, for example),but as anything that makes administrators or other students uncomfortable. And when it comes to people not measuring up to cultural standards of masculinity or femininity, our social mores have a long way to go to even reach "tolerant". There's a difference between an article of provocative clothing (a "message" T-shirt that someone would wear one day) and someone's gender expression (how they feel comfortable dressing day-to-day).
No, this student should not be allowed to come to school in a Vegas showgirl's pants-less outfit. But the blame-the-one-who's-different tone in some of these comments is disturbing.
So some kids are made uncomfortable by someone assigned male at birth wearing make-up and skinny jeans? Maybe we should put a little more effort into teaching them that it's okay to be different (even wildly different) in terms of gender expression, than in telling the one who's different to be uncomfortable on our behalf. Someone's going to be made uncomfortable in this situation -- Could someone explain to me why it should be the kid who's challenging gender norms instead of the kids being challenged? Because from where I'm standing, it shouldn't.
@PhillyLass: Sadly, that's rarely how it works. When I was in high school, the kids who bullied me were all athletes. Guess what? The administrators (prinicipal included) were the coaches of those kids teams. No one ever got reprimanded.
I taught eighth grade social studies for three years, and now, whenever I see these kinds of stories, sadly, I always side with the school. It is unreal how hard it is to get a group of 30 teenagers to concentrate on a subject for 50 minutes straight, and to recognize the value in ACADEMICS rather than socializing/constructing personal images/etc (these of course are important, and developmentally appropriate, but they need to learn about concepts and places OUTSIDE if their own small bubble). And while the violence (physical or emotional) directed at this kid needs to be STOPPED (and the kids responsible need to be disciplined) the emphasis of a lot of these students needs to be redirected towards their MINDS and their SKILLS and not their fierce personal style or their identity explorations That's great that this kid wants to express his style and identity. But everyone of these kids needs to learn how to express themselves in writing and verbally, using critical thinking skills
Well, it looks like it's a little more complex. He is dressing with outfits and accessories that are not even allowed for girls (there is a dress code). The fights were between kids that supported the outfits and kids that didn't.
In addition to that, he was using the girls' restroom (they gave him the option to use the administrators' bathroom, the only student in the school that is allowed to do so). He was not suspended or dismissed or kicked out of school. He withdrew himself. The administrators didn't get a chance to work more with him.
I know that he is trying to express himself, but really, high school is not the place to express yourself, it is school, and you are expected to follow rules. He is 16. He can always express himself when he is at home or when he graduates.
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@Little Green Frog (Wise Latina): This. There were rules that applied to everyone and he chose to not follow them. These rules were not discriminatory in any way, and I think that he made the right decision to withdraw instead of fighting it.
@Little Green Frog (Wise Latina): Actually, all it says is that the school does have a dress code and that it's up to the administrator's discretion, not that he was in violation of the dress code. And I didn't see anything about the restroom in the article, is there something I'm missing? If it's true, then it's possible that he's either trans, or simply feels more comfortable using the women's restroom because he was being harassed in the boy's restroom (maybe using the administrator's restroom would have felt too much like being an outcast?)
I understand that high school has rules, and I'm not saying kids should wear whatever they want, as there are legitimate concerns, but I also think that high school should be a place where teens are nurtured and encouraged to be themselves. Boys wearing feminine clothes isn't different from girls wearing t-shirts and jeans, and by not intervening aggressively in this situation the school is teaching kids it's ok to discriminate against boys who don't conform to masculine stereotypes
@susanstohelit: Sorry, but he wasn't wearing just feminine clothes. The wig is probably what crosses the line. Neither boys nor girls are allowed to wear wigs. I think if he had gone just in 'feminine' clothing and all this had happened he would be well within his rights to fight it, but he was clearly going beyond what the rules allowed for regardless of gender.
@susanstohelit: This is why I said the UPI article is not accurate. Both sides were interviewed in the AJC: "I don't consider myself a cross-dresser," he said. "This is just who I am." The district lists the dress code on its homepage. The rule states that students should "refrain from any mode of dress which proves to contribute to any disruption of school functions." [www.ajc.com]
If I was a school administrator, I could consider a pink wig (on any student, heck even on an employee) a disruption. [www.ajc.com]
Maybe if he had stayed, they could have worked with him, and even given him counsel as it seems he has things he needs to work out (he left his parents to live with his sister, that's gotta be awful for a 16 year old).
@Little Green Frog (Wise Latina): Oof, that's a tough one. As a high school girl I probably would have been uncomfortable with a boy, trans or no, using the restroom with me.
@susanstohelit: he may be more comfortable using the girls restroom if he feels unsafe in the boys.... but what about the girls? As a teenage girl, *I* would not have felt comfortable with a boy in the washroom - and how long before skeevy boys start to demand *they* use the washroom too (with less-than-pure-intentions)? A solution was offered, but he rejected it. The world cannot revolve simply around him - while allowances can and should be made for his self-expression, he doesn't get a free pass to wear more than anyone else at school and he doesn't get to use the opposite sex bathroom.
and this is spoken as a mom of a Very Special Snowflake boychild who insisted on wearing girls jeans (that he took in to make tighter) to Express Himself in High School.
@morninggloria: My brother saw Twisted Sister play a couple years ago. They played "we're not gonna take it" first to get rid of everyone who just wanted the hit, and then proceeded to ROCK EVERYONE'S FACE RIGHT OFF.
Kennesaw isn't rural Georgia, either --- it's frickin' metro ATL. Then again, it's Cobb County, which has been known for it's opposition to homosexual content in local theater and the infamous evolution warning stickers placed on public school science texts (they read: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.").
@kaywinnitlee: Yeah, Kennesaw definitely isn't rural at all. I live in Cobb County and had no idea about the science book stickers or issues with local theater. Then again, I'm not from here, spend most of my time in Fulton County, and don't have any kids.
@shorty63136: Kennesaw HS is where my cousin went (she graduated this past June). It's pretty...restrictive. I was surprised to find that her metro ATL high school was at least as backwards as my small city NC high school.
According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the boy was wearing wigs and heels. This constitutes disruptive clothing according to the school system. His unorthodox clothing was causing an uproar and the administration was trying to limit the abuse the student was recieving by asking him to "dress more manly." It was probably an issue of an administrator being a little more brusque than he should have been. I believe they asked the student to tone it down. High school isn't a fashion show, it's a place to learn. And even more than ever, they have lower tolerances for anything.
These draconian wardrobe rules aren't new - they were around when I was in high school back in the 90s. We weren't allowed to dye our hair with Kool-Aid in and it also applied to the African American girls that glued pennies and other acoutrements to their hair. It goes back to other eras when boys couldn't have hair past their collars and girls had to wear pantyhose.
I get the feeling this student is being less than accomodating to his new surroundings and is raring for a fight. I TOTALLY understand that this period in a kid's life is all about finding out who he is, but he needs to learn some tolerance if he expects his community to tolerate him.
@bluebirdred: Exactly. This UPI article and the post headline are NOT ACCURATE as to what's going on. I mean there are a LOT of things wrong with Kennesaw (mandatory gun possession, anyone?) but in this case, the school shouldn't bend over backwards and given a bad rep because of one individual.
@bluebirdred: If female students are allowed to wear wigs and heels, there is no reason he should not be allowed to wear them. Tolerance is not about making people who are oppressed change so that others can tolerate them. It is about those who oppress learning to understand others.
@Lymed: And girls are not allowed to wear pink wigs and heels to this school. Or use the boys' bathroom. So he is not behaving appropriately and didn't even give the school a chance to work things out (he withdrew in 2 days). He just decided to quit because of his "art". [www.ajc.com]
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@Lymed: One of the definitions of tolerance from Merriam Webster: sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own. Tolerance is a two way street.
@bluebirdred: How was the kid being intolerant of other people's beliefs or practices? He wasn't trying to change other kids' style of dress. Tolerating INtolerance is... not tolerance.
@SarahMC: I'm referring more to the effect that his way of dressing appears to have created great discomfort among his peers - escalating to fights. He seems to have little sympathy for those uncomfortable with his appearance and appears to feel he should be taken as is, without issue. And not only that, but he's giving the impression no one is allowed to say anything to him about it either.
We ALL want to be taken as is and without issue. But does it happen? No. Every single person I know tempers themself in some way simply to make it through life. Being IN YOUR FACE 24/7 is no way to make friends and is a fabulous way to isolate yourself and create sensationalism.
@bluebirdred: I really don't understand your logic. Are you saying a gay person should hide his or her homosexuality from homophobes? Should I make sure I don't wear a star of David when I am near an anti-semite? Should a black person stay out of view of racists?
He was dressing in a way people didn't like. That isn't intolerance. If he made fun of the way others dressed, that would be intolerance.
@Lymed: First, I never understood the idea of coming out, meaning I can't tell your sexuality just by looking at you, unless you purposefully dress in a manner that advertises it. Unless I want to engage in a sexual relationship with you, what you like in the bedroom is none of my business.That being said, this students dress was a deliberate act of rebellion. He knew the rules, and broke them. The fact that he likes penis has nothing to do with his decision to dress in a way that administrators found distracting. If he was a she and liked to give her ass away like free government cheese, dressing in skimpy clothing shouldn't be accepted either. This was not an attackon his sexuality, it was a rebellious teean openly flouting rules.
@bluebirdred: The people uncomfortable with his appearance are sexist and/or homophobic. Even the term "cross-dressing" is problematic, when you think about it, because it implies that males and females are fully separate and opposite categories. The gender binary is offensive, and I'm not too sympathetic to folks who are disturbed by a boy person wearing clothes that are highly gendered for girl people.
@Mina_da_mad_child: Sexuality is not just about what somebody does in the bedroom. I have known people of different sexualities who have been in romantic relationships that didn't include sex.
People come out to their friends and families because it is such a major part of their identity. They come out publicly in order to make societal change to reduce discrimination.
@greeneyedfem: I thought of that after reading your post, and I agree. I don't want to label the kid gay or trans though just based off his/her clothing choices, even though it's entirely possible. But definitely, transphobic belongs on the list. Tolerating transphobia is intolerant.
Between yesterday's Texas school bullshit, Oklahoma abortion bullshit, and today's Georgia school bullshit, I WANT TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION!
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I love how vague the UPI article is with the whole "his outfit caused a fight." What does that mean? I'm choosing to picture a fight that did not involve Escobar, but unfolded between two football players vying for his affection as he walked away tossing his wig hair over his shoulders.
@SaturdaysChild: The article does not say he was attacked, nor has the student said so. Apparently the fight was between people who supported him and people who didn't. Which I guess goes to show how "disruptive" his behavior really was. Sorry, but as the wife of a high school teacher who has to battle a million disruptions a day (from cell phones to regular old teen drama) to keep his kids' attention, I don't have a lot of sympathy for someone who is obviously being deliberatively provocative and then complains about the reaction.
Kiddo, you can move in with me here in Brooklyn. There are lots of great stores and I have a whole set of wigs I'll let you borrow. I'm from Florida, too, we can have a ball. I know where all the good music is. srsly.
@PerinealFavorite: Please do not insult my birthplace like that. Williamsburg is made up of people who used to get their asses kicked. The rest of brooklyn are the ones who beat them up :-)
@PerinealFavorite: Sorry, I went to high school in Brooklyn, and plenty of queer-bashing went on there
Unless maybe you got him into one of the alternative schools it'd be the same
@Mina_da_mad_child: Ha, I cannot count the number of people to whom I have had to explain that the part I grew up in was more like an economical depressed mining town, socially speaking, than the rest of the city
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The problem with a school dress code that bans "disruptive clothing" is that what counts as disruptive depends on mainstream social mores, and could be seen not just as an article of clothing that provokes conflict (a confederate flag T or a shirt with an abortion message, for example),but as anything that makes administrators or other students uncomfortable. And when it comes to people not measuring up to cultural standards of masculinity or femininity, our social mores have a long way to go to even reach "tolerant". There's a difference between an article of provocative clothing (a "message" T-shirt that someone would wear one day) and someone's gender expression (how they feel comfortable dressing day-to-day).
No, this student should not be allowed to come to school in a Vegas showgirl's pants-less outfit. But the blame-the-one-who's-different tone in some of these comments is disturbing.
So some kids are made uncomfortable by someone assigned male at birth wearing make-up and skinny jeans? Maybe we should put a little more effort into teaching them that it's okay to be different (even wildly different) in terms of gender expression, than in telling the one who's different to be uncomfortable on our behalf. Someone's going to be made uncomfortable in this situation -- Could someone explain to me why it should be the kid who's challenging gender norms instead of the kids being challenged? Because from where I'm standing, it shouldn't.
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I also want to apologize for my unnecessary and rather arbitrary use of capitals. WHO AM I? KANYE?
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In addition to that, he was using the girls' restroom (they gave him the option to use the administrators' bathroom, the only student in the school that is allowed to do so). He was not suspended or dismissed or kicked out of school. He withdrew himself. The administrators didn't get a chance to work more with him.
I know that he is trying to express himself, but really, high school is not the place to express yourself, it is school, and you are expected to follow rules. He is 16. He can always express himself when he is at home or when he graduates.
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I understand that high school has rules, and I'm not saying kids should wear whatever they want, as there are legitimate concerns, but I also think that high school should be a place where teens are nurtured and encouraged to be themselves. Boys wearing feminine clothes isn't different from girls wearing t-shirts and jeans, and by not intervening aggressively in this situation the school is teaching kids it's ok to discriminate against boys who don't conform to masculine stereotypes
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"I don't consider myself a cross-dresser," he said. "This is just who I am."
The district lists the dress code on its homepage. The rule states that students should "refrain from any mode of dress which proves to contribute to any disruption of school functions."
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If I was a school administrator, I could consider a pink wig (on any student, heck even on an employee) a disruption.
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Maybe if he had stayed, they could have worked with him, and even given him counsel as it seems he has things he needs to work out (he left his parents to live with his sister, that's gotta be awful for a 16 year old).
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and this is spoken as a mom of a Very Special Snowflake boychild who insisted on wearing girls jeans (that he took in to make tighter) to Express Himself in High School.
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The Twisted Sister comeback tour 2009 just cancelled its Georgia dates.
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What I'm saying is, cry cry Georgia.
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These draconian wardrobe rules aren't new - they were around when I was in high school back in the 90s. We weren't allowed to dye our hair with Kool-Aid in and it also applied to the African American girls that glued pennies and other acoutrements to their hair. It goes back to other eras when boys couldn't have hair past their collars and girls had to wear pantyhose.
I get the feeling this student is being less than accomodating to his new surroundings and is raring for a fight. I TOTALLY understand that this period in a kid's life is all about finding out who he is, but he needs to learn some tolerance if he expects his community to tolerate him.
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We ALL want to be taken as is and without issue. But does it happen? No. Every single person I know tempers themself in some way simply to make it through life. Being IN YOUR FACE 24/7 is no way to make friends and is a fabulous way to isolate yourself and create sensationalism.
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He was dressing in a way people didn't like. That isn't intolerance. If he made fun of the way others dressed, that would be intolerance.
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People come out to their friends and families because it is such a major part of their identity. They come out publicly in order to make societal change to reduce discrimination.
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His outfit was causing fights, hmm? Not the goons beating him up? It was HIS fault that idiots jumped him?
That makes such perfect sense....
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It doesn't say they were fighting with him!
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Unless maybe you got him into one of the alternative schools it'd be the same
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