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catherder
07/28/09

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I just find it amazing that "the basis for attractiveness was yearbook photos from the 1957 graduating classes at Wisconsin high schools." High school yearbook photos? People never get more attractive then they were in their HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK PHOTO? Good thing that wasn't true in my case - and in the case of most of my "late blooming" friends.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
07/28/09

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I think it says all it needs to that we have "quartiles of hotness" now.

What happened to the simple measures in life, like the LSAT and the GMAT?

Oh - and get off my lawn.
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girlscientist
07/28/09

In reply to Ann Coulter-Loving Scientist Says Women Are Getting Hotter
This study is 100% true. My Mom is really hot, and she has two daughters who are really hot.
So as the Romans would say, quod erat demonstrandum.
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
07/28/09

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If there is one thing I've learned from playing The Sims 2, it's that attractive parents can make some funny looking kids.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
07/28/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: I don't need to play The Sims to underscore that assertion. I can just look in the mirror.
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lilbobbytables
07/28/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: And that clearly, alien eyes are a recessive trait.
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letitcrash
07/28/09

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"attractive women (those rated in the second highest quartile of hotness) had 16% more children their less attractive peers, while very attractive (top quartile) women had 6% more." So you can be hot, but not TOO HOT!!
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
07/28/09

@letitcrash: Can't win. Can't break even. Can't get out of the game.
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
07/28/09

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First, 1957 - pre BCP. Perhaps these women would have chose differently had reliable birth control been available.
Second, the definition of attractiveness and beauty is constantly changing, and differs from culture to culture. So... wtf?
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thoughtthinker
07/28/09

@AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope: That is EXACTLY what I was going to say. If a bunch of people from Elizabethan England time traveled in the time machine I built in my garage and showed up on Michigan Avenue today, they'd look around and say "Holy shit! The future smells weird and these people are so tall and fuuuuugly!" They say fugly because they came over to my place and watched Mean Girls before we went shopping. I'm really proud of them for picking up the slang. But seriously, this study is ABSURD!
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NefariousNewt
07/28/09

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Of course women are getting hotter -- it's called global warming.
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I_can_still_pitch
07/28/09

@NefariousNewt: It's kind of unfair to bust a COTD this early :)
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Dadadarling
07/28/09

@NefariousNewt: And men aren't? Damn, Global Warning is about to get a Crap Email from a Dude in regard to its gender politics.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
07/28/09

@I_can_still_pitch: Life is unfair. Just ask the bottom "quartile of hotness".
COTD seconded.
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Agumen
07/28/09

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I'd say it makes a huge amount of sense that women become more attractive through hereditary genetics. Men too, though probably with less speed.

Come on, the least attractive people in any society struggle to find partners and thus have kids. This is true, and it's obviously true. Especially for women. Having a good job won't help your chances of getting a man if you are sadly very ugly (and some people are), though it sometimes works the other way around for men. Ugly genes, like peeing babies, are thus constantly being removed from the pool.

And for all of you saying 'We'll what's attractive? You can't say.'
a) Society determines this as a whole, and currently the beauty values espoused in the mainstream media is what we consider attractive. Maybe you and your friends don't agree, but as a whole, this is what society has come up with. It wasn't forced on us by some mysterious group of oppressors, it's what people respond to and buy, because it's what people like.
b) I believe that men are more likely to have a standard version of female attractiveness in a given culture than the other way around. Most guys find the same girls pretty, in my experience. Friends of mine often totally disagree on what kind of guys are cute. So I think there is a standard that guys apply. You can find an objective standard if you ask enough people.

My last point would be that 50,000 years ago we were neanderthals. (Some of us still are, just getting that in there before you use it against me, ha.) So that right there is completely conclusive proof of good genes being passed on making women more beautiful. As for the rest of this idiot's stuff about Coulter, well... he should stick with common sense arguments, that's all I'll say.
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I_can_still_pitch
07/28/09

@Agumen: currently the beauty values espoused in the mainstream media is what we consider attractive.
Not in my case, and not in the case of the majority of my male friends.
Come on, the least attractive people in any society struggle to find partners and thus have kids. This is true, and it's obviously true.
No, it's not.
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letitcrash
07/28/09

@Agumen: Well, I think that men just value attractiveness more than women do, so you see women striving to be more attractive more frequently than you see men striving to be more attractive. Obviously, that's a generalization, but all you have to do is observe the general population to see this to be true. I also agree with you that while some people are saying that beauty is "subjective," in a lot of ways it's really not. I watched a show on the Discovery channel once that was called like The Science of Sex or something like that, about what has been scientifically proven to be attractive. You can argue all you want that attractiveness is subjective, and of course on an individual level, it is, but IN GENERAL, people find the same qualities attractive. For example, people with symmetrical faces ARE more attractive, regardless of sex or race.
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Skellatrix
07/28/09

@Agumen: 50,000 years ago we were neanderthals.
Neanderthals are not the same species as modern humans. They existed at the same time and were probably driven to extinction because of us. Maybe humans killed them because they weren't pretty?
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
07/28/09

@Agumen: Oh -- it's obviously true.
Oh well then.

P.S. Your section "(b)" is full of logic fail, not to mention a touch more didacticism than I can deal with before noon. I'm sure someone else here can dissect it for you, though
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MadFab
07/28/09

@Agumen: The standards of beauty and attractiveness are not universal—not in our society and not across the globe. What is known is that infants tend to react more strongly to faces with greater symmetry, which is as close to an innate preference for a beauty standard as we're apt to get. The rest tends to be a result of socialization and chemistry.

I'd be curious to find out on what study you base your assertion that unattractive people struggle to find mates and procreate, particularly since it is so "obviously true."
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nora charles
07/28/09

@Agumen: While I don't disagree with everything you're saying, I think that most of the culturally dictated beauty standards change too often to have any serious bearing on evolution. The ideal body type changes at least every fifty years. Beyond symmetry, the kind of facial features considered most desirable change fairly often too. I remember watching the BBC version of Pride and Prejudice, and there was a lot of discussion about why they had cast the fairly plain-looking actress that played Jane, given that she was supposed to be much prettier than Elizabeth. And the answer was, of course, that back in the Regency era, the actress playing Jane would have been considered much prettier. She had the Greek statue look that was very in at the time, whereas Jane's "cute" face would have been considered less refined--but now it's the opposite.

There are a handful of beauty variables that do seem to stay constant, but there are a hell of a lot more that are clearly culturally defined and change from generation to generation. I can't put a whole lot of stock in this theory.
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happymisanthrope
07/28/09

@nora charles: But you're quibbling over really little details. No one would argue that either of the two actresses in the BBC version of P&P aren't attractive, just over which girl is more so than the other. But that they are both attractive is undeniable.

Those handful of beauty variables that you mention as being constant are the central ones to beauty (symmetry, the golden ratio). The frivolous fades (cute vs statuesque, etc.) may change but it makes as much difference as changing the style of a window dressing to the window. The underlying architecture is what's important.
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Mireille is German for the Bart, the.
07/28/09

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Well, if women are getting more attractive, it's time to change the standards! Can't let women get away with conforming to patriarchal standards without a lot of work, surgery and self-disgust!

And also... trying to use objective science to prove subjective opinions = fail.
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I_can_still_pitch
07/28/09

In reply to Ann Coulter-Loving Scientist Says Women Are Getting Hotter
Apparently 300+ pound, barely educated, horribly dressed, extremely racist women with no social skills, very few teeth and very loud speaking voices are attractive, because that's who's reproducing the most down here in Florida. My anecdotal, subjective statistical analysis supports this.
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Bunsen Honeydew
07/28/09

@I_can_still_pitch: I think the Jerry Springer show with all those interchangeable baby daddies supports your hypothesis.

I don't know, I think Jokela can stop jizzing over unattractive women dying off now. It's a little annoying.
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Flackette Goes Retro
07/28/09

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I'm not sure that "attractiveness" (however you define that) is necessarily something kids always inherit. Often two beautiful people get together, only to produce a child in whom the features of the parents don't really harmonize. The reverse is also true - two average-looking people can produce a conventionally gorgeous child.
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BAngieB
07/28/09

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Women are getting more attractive...yes. It's called the Lindsay Lohan Effect.
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
07/28/09

@Dr. BAngieB: so that figure should have really been se7inNyne percent?
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dreamweave
07/28/09

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Jokela. What a perfect name.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
07/28/09

@dreamweave: *rolls on floor*
*sulks that I cannot heart you twice*
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EkaterinaBallerina
07/28/09

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Also Mr.Kanazawa? People might find Coulter attractive (god knows why), but that doesn't mean they trust her or find her intelligent. She's a joke. Even her own party knows that. She barely registered a peep during the last election.

Plus? Putting a woman that dresses like her in the White House would probably have made Islamic extremists like Osama even more enraged about America.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
07/28/09

@EkaterinaBallerina: " She barely registered a peep during the last election."
I for one was quite pleased about that. I am certainly not generally about silencing women, but IMO the less she talks the better.
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lilbobbytables
07/28/09

In reply to Ann Coulter-Loving Scientist Says Women Are Getting Hotter
Here is my totally scientific study: Ann Coulter would be a worse president than James Buchanan, even though she is probably considered more attractive than him.
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