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willwriteforfood
08/18/09

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I actually really like the show, although I think the early years are better, when they just hung out and were friends, before they started marrying and having babies with each other. I liked that they all seemed to be believably friends (which is hard to act) and reminded me of my college friendships in which I felt closer to them than I did my own family. My friends used to do pre-Thanksgiving dinners together that made me more thankful to have them in my life than my own parents, and I love my parents.

I never got a complex from watching Friends, although it did skew my idea of how much apartments cost in New York.
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willwriteforfood
08/18/09

In reply to Sitting Down With Your TV Friends? Well, Phoebe Says You're Fat
I actually really like the show, although I think the early years are better, when they just hung out and were friends, before they started marrying and having babies together. I liked that they all seemed to be believably friends (which is hard to act) and reminded me of my college friendships in which I felt closer to them than I did my own family. My friends used to do pre-Thanksgiving dinners together that made me more thankful to have them in my life than my own parents, and I love my parents.

I never got a complex from watching Friends, although it did skew my idea of how much apartments cost in New York.
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DexterHaven
08/18/09

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I love Friends, and think that, bizarre as it may sound in relation to such a high-profile show and the stars it made, the actual performances on it have been underrated. Comedy is the hardest thing in the world, and the level those six achieved for years was amazing. Having said that, in the last few years, as the script quality dwindled, and the plots became more ridiculous, and the actors' commitment sagged, it was notable that Jennifer Aniston in particular acted with her hair and her super-toned arms. It is striking, though, watching it now, and realising a woman as gorgeous as Lisa Kudrow was regarded as the plain one.
Here endeth my Friends dissertation.
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clevernamehere
08/18/09

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I don't think Friends is at all the issue, its just a stand in for pop culture as a whole.

Jennifer Aniston is the best example of what happened to actresses in the 90s. She started out normal thin and went to as skinny as humanly possible Actresses were always thin, but they used to look like they ate and there was some natural variation.
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Mafalda para Presidente
08/18/09

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I think it's an effect of the RATIO of attractive people found on TV versus real life. If you immerse yourself in television long enough, you start to believe that looking like that is the norm when in reality, everyone and their mother on television is handpicked based (at least most of the time, if not all) on looks.
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Lymed
08/18/09

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All Friends did to me was make me wear short skirts.
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willwriteforfood
08/18/09

@Lymed: Yeah, all I internalized from the show was that my wardrobe needed some serious work. Also, I realized I was uncomfortably like Monica in my compulsiveness.
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SevenNationArmy has truth tourettes
08/18/09

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I am very proud to say that I have never seen Friends, not even 5 minutes of it.
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anteup
08/18/09

@SevenNationArmy is a ghetto whore goblin:
Ditto
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
08/18/09

@anteup: Heh. *raises hand*
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clevernamehere
08/18/09

@SevenNationArmy is a ghetto whore goblin: I never understand why people are proud of not seeing something popular. Lots of things don't appeal to me, so I don't bother watching them (He's Just Not That Into You, Sex in the City) but I don't consider it a badge of honor.
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clevernamehere
08/18/09

@SevenNationArmy is a ghetto whore goblin: I never understand why people are proud of not seeing something popular. Lots of things don't appeal to me, so I don't bother watching them (He's Just Not That Into You, Sex in the City) but I don't consider it a badge of honor.
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Dancingfrog
08/18/09

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I remember Phoebe (well, Lisa Kudrow) gleefully admitting that she was, indeed, over 130 pounds, despite the fact that tabloids always claim that thin women in Hollywood never weigh more than 130 lbs, no matter what, or something of that vien. The fact that she would admit that she was outside the Hollywood claim is amazing... even though it really shouldn't be risky or matter at all. She is funny; she always looked really healthy; she has tons of talent; the number on the scale shouldn't matter.
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keldo
08/18/09

@Dancingfrog: Phoebe was always my favorite female character. I also think she has it together in real life.
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Penny
08/18/09

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I kind of obsessed about Aniston in high school because some people told me I had her "early" figure and then she got skinnier and I had major body issues anyhow. But, I suppose that's anecdotal at best.
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bluebears
08/18/09

@Penny: I remember when she started losing a ton of weight and talking about The Zone.
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Penny
08/18/09

@bluebears: Yeah, and I bought the book. Don't judge too much, I was, like, 19.
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belle TL
08/18/09

@Penny: FWIW, my husband would be drooling over you if you had Aniston's early-Friends figure, because he never fails to say how great Jennifer Aniston looked in the first and second season.
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la.donna.pietra
08/18/09

@Penny: I'm not exactly obsessed with Ms. Aniston, but I'd like to have a word with her plastic surgeon: she's starting to look more like me as time goes on. Not necessarily as a whole, but definitely her nose and chin. It's eerie.
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bluebears
08/18/09

@Penny: dude. I bought the book too. Its still at my parents house somewhere. I read it cover to cover. I thought she had such a banging body, but I could never cut out carbs, that book tells you not to eat like, apples.
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bluebears
08/18/09

@belle TL: oh my ex used to say the same thing. He would be like, she was so much hotter before she lost all that weight. which basically equaled boobs.
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Hana Maru
08/18/09

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Hm, not surprised. Innumerable jokes on Monica's former fat and pathetically loveless self, Rachel's obsession with dieting(this show may have been the origin of "cankles") and over the years the men were allowed to gain weight but the women were not.
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bluebears
08/18/09

@Hana Maru: They made a cankles joke? ugh.
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bookling
08/19/09

@Hana Maru: I'll give you the Monica fat jokes, but Rachel's "obsession with dieting"? Rachel never really dieted on the show, even though she was always very concerned with her appearance. But that always manifested itself more in her interest in fashion. There was the one "chubby ankles" joke, but that was played off as something so absurd that no woman should actually be concerned about it.

Also, despite all the Monica fat jokes, they never restricted what she ate on the show. She's portrayed as having a pretty healthy relationship with food, is a chef, seems to eat what she wants, etc. In fact, if there's one thing I would say Friends excelled at, it was showing three incredibly self-confident women who love their bodies.

"...over the years the men were allowed to gain weight but the women were not." This is just not true. Lisa Kudrow consistently gained weight over the course of the show -- if you look at the first season, she's tiny, probably the same size as Jennifer Aniston and Courtney Cox, but while they get smaller, Kudrow only gets curvier.
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bluebears
08/18/09

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I always thought Lisa Kudrow gave off a little bit of an unpleasant vibe.
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Cerridwen
08/18/09

@bluebears: I think it was just that Phoebe went from lovable and strange to a tactless bitch in the later seasons and somehow that bitchiness seemed to rub off on people's perceptions of Lisa Kudrow. Or maybe that's just me.
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