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Flackette Goes Retro
07/29/09

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Fancy was her name.
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callmecountry
07/29/09

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My favourite whore's biography is 'Fanny Hill: Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure'. The euphemisms for gentlemanparts are great - 'plenipotentiary member' is my favourite. BBC4 showed a great miniseries of the book last year - well worth seen=king out
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beatrice2000
07/28/09

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Has anyone seen the movie Dangerous Beauty? It explains the courtesan Veronica Franco's reasoning as her family being poor, but her being very witty and smart and beautiful, and being a courtesan would allow her to seduce men both sexually and with her brain, and be paid handsomely for it. It's not a perfect movie, but it's fun to watch and think more about the fantasy rather than the reality.
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MargaretMoony
07/29/09

@beatrice2000: It was a good movie!
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nessalicious
07/28/09

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These books also inspired Zola to write one of the best books ever 'Nana' about a French actress/courtesan's rise to infamy and her gradual descent.

I recommend it to anyone!
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descent
07/28/09

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These sound SO much more interesting than my own whore memoirs, which are usually drunken, hard-to-follow, slightly passive agressive FB status updates posted between 2 and 4 a.m.
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isacloud
07/28/09

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My thesis was on a very similar topic to this, so it's odd to see it written about on here!

Part of the thing that's fascinating about this genre is the agency it gave women who were often portrayed as wretches to be pitied. The thing that endlessly fascinates me about the 18th century is this sort of dualling portrayal: on the one hand you have the hugely popular seduction novels (Clarissa, etc.), which were basically etiquette books/cautionary tales for middle class girls/women, and then you have this genre, which, yes, often portrayed prostitutes as past victims of "seduction" (often rape) but saw it leading not to the protagonist's ruin or death, but to a sort of triumph.
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funnyface
07/28/09

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I'm taking a class on 18th Century women's writers this fall and now I'm suddenly disappointed that there are no whore memoirs on the syllabus.
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andBegorrah
07/28/09

@funnyface: But their contemporaries and critics usually called them whores, so there's that!
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Jenloveshercurves
07/28/09

@funnyface: It seems that you need to tell your professor that you would like to read one of these and compare it through a lens to another novel you are reading.
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Ailatan
07/28/09

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Has anyone read The Volcano Lover by Susan Sontag? It got me into the life of Emma Hamilton.

Also worth watching That Hamilton Woman with the beautiful Vivien Leigh.
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curiousgeorgiana
07/28/09

@Ailatan: Also worth reading: "England's Mistress" the bio of Emma Hamilton. Absolutely amazing.
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Ailatan
07/28/09

@curiousgeorgiana: Thanks, I'll see if I can find it.
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Susie Bright
07/28/09

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Sadie, I'd love to see you compare some of those old whore memoirs with the famous stripper tell-alls of recent years!
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MizJenkins
07/28/09

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See also, Supahead.
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descent
07/28/09

@MizJenkins: Also known as "The Oral History of Karrine S-----".
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J.D.Regent
07/28/09

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I want Sadie to stage a takeover of my book club.
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andBegorrah
07/28/09

@J.D.Regent: I want her to stage a takeover of my brothel/writers' collective. Our profits AND our publication rates are execrable.
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RosemaryF
07/28/09

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I know that fanny=cooch in the UK, but I'm assuming that it didn't have the same meaning in 1759. Did the current definition come from her name, possibly?
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andBegorrah
07/28/09

@RosemaryF: It's possible that it became a slang term with the publication of (the very very dirty) Fanny Hill in 1748. But it's a bit chicken-and-egg-ish: "Moll" was a lower-class nickname that became associated with female pickpockets and other roguish types thanks to Moll Cutpurse, who had biographical and autobiographical pamphlets published, and then of course Moll Flanders, whose name is deliberately suggestive; but were Molls criminals who influenced the cultural coding of the name, or did the infamous Molls of popular literature invent that association? Did Cleland invent "fanny" as a dirty word, or did he use it for the name because it already was one?
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la.donna.pietra
07/28/09

@andBegorrah: I would guess that "Fanny" was not a pejorative term by at least 1778, as Fanny Burney would have published Evelina as Frances or Mary Frances Burney (when she did get around to acknowledging authorship) otherwise. It was a common diminutive of "Frances" for a good chunk of the 17th century.
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andBegorrah
07/28/09

@la.donna.pietra: True, and of course there was "Fanny INSUFFERABLETWAT Price" - that's my own personal nickname for her - among other figures into the first half of the 19th century. The mythology of the Cleland etymology is just so appealing though, damn it.
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
07/28/09

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Like they say, if you're part of a minority or oppressed group, best to be at the very bottom or the very top, financially. Most high-end prostitutes managed to be a little of both.
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
12/02/08

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Can we at least go after the dude in this case, if we can't all agree on the price of her cash hole? This sort fo situation... It smacks of childishness. more specifically, the inability to delay gratification. He thinks because he works hard all day he 'deserves' NSA sex as a reward. What do guys in Vegas do? What do businessmen do after getting a big account? 'Let's get some drinks and women...' They count on women being there for the taking. And this equation - celebrating personal gain by pretending an anonymous woman cares - doesn't work when an office is 50/50 women and men. Or when everyone knows their new boss got where she is by fucking a guy for an internship.

(That being said I know prostitutes who are fine with what they do and think brothels should be legal. Gah.)
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noxiousbeast
12/01/08

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"Many a jealous woman has tried to rain on my parade of fortune in both the finance department and the man department. I won the lottery, and they hate me for it."

I'd bet that the women who try to "rain on your parade" are responding to your haughty attitude, as opposed to acting out this theory of universal jealousy you've constructed in your spare time.

My idea of "winning the lottery" would be arguing in front of the Supreme Court someday. Hell, I don't even have to win. Just let me in the door. Can your partner make that happen? No? Okay. Then don't make assumptions about the universal jealousy you inspire, pumpkin.
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