Hey now, TNG was not *all* about evil female scientists over 35. Look at Doctors Crusher and Pulaski--both over 35 when they *began* on the show and both awesome. :) And both way more main characters than the Crystalline Entity Destroyer or whatever. #womenontv
At least we got CJ Cregg for a while though, eh? And Laura Roslin on BSG wasn't unhinged (well, any more unhinged than anyone else on that show, and given that pretty much everyone but Lee was a bit nuts, that seems ok to me).
I think this is why my mother almost exclusively watches BBC period dramas and murder mysteries. There are often female characters of a certain age who aren't, well, you know. #womenontv
These "Sad, Single Older Lady" minstrel shows have got to stop. The only thing missing is the equivalent of perimenopausal blackface. Maybe some laff-a-minute hot flashes? (Never mind that the average age of menopause is 50. Hello.)
Seriously. These shows make a tacit mockery of being over 35, to the point of offensive caricature.
Plenty of women over 35 aren't crying by the phone, hurting for dates (or husbands...yes, women over 35 can and do marry!), or suffering from intimacy deficiency, or clowning after younger men while pinching their own muffintops and grimacing.
It's not the age thing that sets heads aspin in Hollywood--it's the Older and Single thing that seems incomprehensible/unmanageable as a theme.
Why?, I wonder. There are plenty of female writers over 30 in Hollywood. Why aren't they given a crack at writing about their own lives? Os "Sex and the City"--in all its cultural and ratings success, now almost 6 years in the rearview mirror--all the over-30 set gets?!
Again, if so, WHY?
These shows aren't doing particularly well. Repeatedly banging the "you're over 35 single, so you're dead meat" drum isn't working. So why keep trying it?
Is it simply that Hollywood must do it poorly first, then, eventually do it right? (ie, believably, and to critical and popular praise) Are we going to be stuck with these bullshit Stepin Fetchit Saddy McSingleton ladies until someone with chops steps up to show tv how it's done?
If so, can that woman (or man) please show up as soon as possible? We can just rely on Nancy Meyer movies every 5 years. #womenontv
This reminds me of the third season of the Canadian mini-series Slings & Arrows, in which the character Ellen (early-50s I'd guess), a successful stage actress, tries to make the leap to television. The only roles she's offered are literal aliens on bad sci-fi.
While it's great to see Margulies, Hargitay and Cox playing lead roles, it's kind of disheartening that the Slings & Arrows scenario doesn't seem that fictional. #womenontv
I'm single and 35. What people wonder is - Is she going to try to steal my husband? What's wrong with her that no one wants to marry her?
Answers: No, if I wanted to marry your husband I would've done it 10 years ago, and Nothing, I just have better things to do than be someone's housekeeper, cook and mommy. #womenontv
I'm continually amazed that no-one is including Accidentally on Purpose in these discussions... At least The Good Wife has writing and acting chops, as Cougar Town does to a far lesser extent.
Perhaps it's because Accidentally on Purpose is so frustratingly bad, it is past an anachronism, to almost a parody of itself, a b-situation b-comedy with a b-laughtrack. Did Elfman save somebody's life that they had to hand her this shit-vehicle she seems to merely show up to pilot? Thick with sexism, ageism, stereotypes of all shapes and sizes, this show is the "kick me" sign on the back of primetime television. #womenontv
@Jack_Burton: I watched 2 episodes of "Accidentally on Purpose" and am still trying to wipe them from my brain, it was so ridiculous. Jenna Elfman can be quite funny, but this is just a badly written show. And wtf is up with recycling the "Suddenly Susan" office set? #womenontv
@Jack_Burton: There is a new "auditioning" poster on Gawker who has posted that we should stop worrying about serious stuff and check out Accidentally on Purpose...even directed us towards You Tube videos. #womenontv
@Jack_Burton: Maybe they couldn't include Accidentally On Purpose because it was so bad that they tried to wipe it from their brains. I know that's what I did, and I only saw about 15 minutes of the first episode. But from what I saw you nailed the description - thick with sexism, ageism, and chock full of stereotypes.
I'm not watching Cougar Town so I can't speak about it, but I am completely enjoying The Good Wife. It's really smart, and I think that so far it's showing a pretty great range of women characters that are really three dimensional and full of potential. I find myself excited to watch it when I realize it's Tuesday...which hasn't happened for me with a drama in a long time. #womenontv
@Jack_Burton: the very premise of the show could not be more insulting, at least to me as a mature and intelligent woman: she doesn't use protection and it's supposed to be a big joke. Hah hah. #womenontv
what i find so fascinating is that men who are single and over the age of 35 aren't portrayed on television with the subterfuge of "poor guy" (hank from 'californication' comes to mind - he's crazy and awful but the ladies still wanna sleep with him, so it can't be that bad)but rather for all of their own inaccuracies, screw ups and frailties, there's this sense that these guys are to be lauded. they can sleep with chicks! all kinds of chicks! there's rarely any consequences for it! isn't that coooool?
if a single woman over the age of 35 exhibits the same behavior on television, it's because she's damaged, she's lonely, she wants to be married and live happily ever after and have tons of babies OR she's a predatory cougar. #womenontv
@rednrowdy: Too true. Even confident, sexy Samantha Jones is/was constantly described as desperate and over-the-hill , mostly by people who'd never watched more than an episode of Sex and the City and just assumed that's all she could be. #womenontv
@lilbobbytables is a la-di-da feminist: Soon, soon we will launch our plan to take over the world! Thanks to 21st century television programs, no one will take the threat we pose seriously until it's too late! #womenontv
@Penny: Well that's silly. All you have to do is stand in it since women over 30 become vampires - living in the shadows so their horrible wrinkles don't show and sucking the lifeblood from innocent unsuspecting young men. #womenontv
@Lymed: Well, I turn 30 this weekend. Maybe I will get really drunk and run around on the street. If I am lucky a cab will hit me. Probably less painful than the sun. #womenontv
I love The Good Wife. So far a really well done show.
As for Lahti on SVU...so badly acted. Really awful. The last episode when she shows up late to court was painful to watch and I love Christine Lahti. #womenontv
What about "Brothers & Sisters," which has a much older and equal parts fucked up cast? One of the things I loved about that show is that they all share in the bad decisions department.
And I know it's on lifetime, but what about "Army Wives." I actually found the first two seasons of that show to be pretty brilliant in terms of putting a picture of 30-40's women out there. #womenontv
@femme-bot: It's a scripted drama. They're married to people in the military (one's a dude who's wife is an Office). It's not ridic, though this season has kind of sucked. #womenontv
@femme-bot: They're not single, but for intents and purposes, the show focuses on them being alone, living separately from their spouses, etc., etc. #womenontv
@Trulymadlyme: But they're married, even during the separations, so I guess they're spared the indignities of the cruel Hollywood hand. They get to play the noble-spouse-of-a-soldier role--either stoically (Claudia Joy!), imperfectly (Denise!), or mouthily (Roxie and, um, the other mouthy one married to Chase. You know...that one. Oh, PAMELA.).
Can you tell I stopped watching this season? :) #womenontv
@LilyBonesBurana: I get that, but what's interesting is that the show points out how these women are indeed "married" but alone for all intents and purposes for a big part of their lives. They still work, move homes, raise kids, make mistakes, and deal with things alone. But yes, the sheen of marriage may add a bit of legitimacy that being single does not.
Oh, yes. Season 3 is a mess. I am about to quit it, except I always find myself watching it before Drop Dead Diva. #womenontv
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I think this is why my mother almost exclusively watches BBC period dramas and murder mysteries. There are often female characters of a certain age who aren't, well, you know. #womenontv
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Seriously. These shows make a tacit mockery of being over 35, to the point of offensive caricature.
Plenty of women over 35 aren't crying by the phone, hurting for dates (or husbands...yes, women over 35 can and do marry!), or suffering from intimacy deficiency, or clowning after younger men while pinching their own muffintops and grimacing.
It's not the age thing that sets heads aspin in Hollywood--it's the Older and Single thing that seems incomprehensible/unmanageable as a theme.
Why?, I wonder. There are plenty of female writers over 30 in Hollywood. Why aren't they given a crack at writing about their own lives? Os "Sex and the City"--in all its cultural and ratings success, now almost 6 years in the rearview mirror--all the over-30 set gets?!
Again, if so, WHY?
These shows aren't doing particularly well. Repeatedly banging the "you're over 35 single, so you're dead meat" drum isn't working. So why keep trying it?
Is it simply that Hollywood must do it poorly first, then, eventually do it right? (ie, believably, and to critical and popular praise) Are we going to be stuck with these bullshit Stepin Fetchit Saddy McSingleton ladies until someone with chops steps up to show tv how it's done?
If so, can that woman (or man) please show up as soon as possible? We can just rely on Nancy Meyer movies every 5 years. #womenontv
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While it's great to see Margulies, Hargitay and Cox playing lead roles, it's kind of disheartening that the Slings & Arrows scenario doesn't seem that fictional. #womenontv
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Answers: No, if I wanted to marry your husband I would've done it 10 years ago, and Nothing, I just have better things to do than be someone's housekeeper, cook and mommy. #womenontv
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Perhaps it's because Accidentally on Purpose is so frustratingly bad, it is past an anachronism, to almost a parody of itself, a b-situation b-comedy with a b-laughtrack. Did Elfman save somebody's life that they had to hand her this shit-vehicle she seems to merely show up to pilot? Thick with sexism, ageism, stereotypes of all shapes and sizes, this show is the "kick me" sign on the back of primetime television. #womenontv
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I'm not watching Cougar Town so I can't speak about it, but I am completely enjoying The Good Wife. It's really smart, and I think that so far it's showing a pretty great range of women characters that are really three dimensional and full of potential. I find myself excited to watch it when I realize it's Tuesday...which hasn't happened for me with a drama in a long time. #womenontv
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I can't see how this even got a pilot and yet Samantha Who? is on the chopping block after 2 seasons. #womenontv
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if a single woman over the age of 35 exhibits the same behavior on television, it's because she's damaged, she's lonely, she wants to be married and live happily ever after and have tons of babies OR she's a predatory cougar. #womenontv
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@wtfox?!: Oh! Me too! #womenontv
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As for Lahti on SVU...so badly acted. Really awful. The last episode when she shows up late to court was painful to watch and I love Christine Lahti. #womenontv
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And I know it's on lifetime, but what about "Army Wives." I actually found the first two seasons of that show to be pretty brilliant in terms of putting a picture of 30-40's women out there. #womenontv
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Can you tell I stopped watching this season? :) #womenontv
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Oh, yes. Season 3 is a mess. I am about to quit it, except I always find myself watching it before Drop Dead Diva. #womenontv
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