My father treated his children much the same way Cosby does in this scene: displaying unconcealed, sardonic contempt at our "stupidity," using humor as a bludgeon to prove how much smarter he was than his children, and occasionally threatening us with bodily harm. I can testify that this method actually does not produce successful, well-adjusted offspring. Instead, it smothers burgeoning self-confidence by forcing minor children into a battle of wits that they can never win. There are ways to make a point that do not rely on humiliation and intimidation.
"I brought you into this world and I'll take you out of it"? As a sitcom tagline it belongs with "One of these days, Alice... Pow! Right to the moon!" A father insinuating that he'll kill his son if the son fails to live up to his father's expections is funny?
@cirocco: Jeez, over-analyze much? It's a comedy show. He was motivating a lazy kid by explaining to him that he should try to achieve better things in his life. "Insinuating that he would kill his son". Honey, take a Valium.
I actually forget how great that show was from a parenting perspective, because of course I was watching it before I was a parent. I need to go back and see how Dr. Huxtable handled it when he found a dime-bag of weed in Theo's pants pocket, for example. Just wondering.
I remember watching this episode as a kid and HATING IT. I really didn't think it was necessary to put Theo through all that. The Cosbys need to lighten up.
@HereComesMyBaby: Seriously? It made me think that the Cosby's were the most awesome family EVER. My family would never clear out most of the house and roleplay just to teach me a lesson.
This was the very first episode of the show. They started out on a great note and never had a bad episode. One of my top five favorite shows of all time. It never gets old.
@i'm going to have my friends call me valerie: I remember when Nick at Nite used to show "I Love Lucy", "Bewitched" and "I Dream of Jeannie." The world I grew up in is gone. :-(
I would have loved to hear Cliff's opinion on college majors. I'd argue that most of them will not prepare you or give you the skills to earn much more than these dreaded "regular people" (except the regulars won't have massive loans to pay off).
i must, respectfully, disagree. as someone with likely too much education i must say that having each one of the degrees i have has provided me with additional opportunities now and i know will in the future. i'm not saying you must have a degree to get ahead. many innovative people are able to do so without one. but it is more often an advantage than a hindrance. i know the loans suck but they will get paid off.
@meloroast: I'm not talking about being an "innovative" person. I'm talking about being a person who practices a trade that is in demand and will always have job opportunities as opposed to spending thousands of dollars to major in a "soft" subject for a field that may have a handful of openings each year - if you don't get into an elite university & you don't have parents who can subsidize you after graduation, I'd suggest you stay away from those subjects.
This show is just made of awesome, no question. I feel like I somehow was just the right age for it, outgrew it, and then re-grew into it. How is that even possible?
One of my favorites, beyond this one, is the one where they bought that painting at auction. It hung over their fireplace for the rest of the series. I've never seen it in reruns.
i am so with you. downloading season 1 now. i remember people saying it was elitist. but for me (a mixed kid with a physician father) it was just kinda cool to see black people on tv not acting all "ghetto black". i think that is part of the culture but not talking/acting like that is also possible!!!
@JosephFinn: I did not know that! That's amazing. I'm really glad it made it onto the show. I think it resonated with me as a kid because I don't come from people who have art or heirlooms, particularly not ones with cultural significance. I always wanted us to have something like that, that meant as much to us as that painting did to them.
@meloroast: I know, I kind of struggled with that, but the thing is that like a family, they were like us. They were, in fact, far better off than we were. My parents both went to college, but they weren't doctors or lawyers. To us, the Huxtables were like us in the same way the Keatons were like us. That they were black was less relevant than that they were upper middle class, educated, with kids, etc.
Does anyone else feel like they're constantly struggling to overcome the racism they were taught growing up?
I'm white. I grew up in an Irish middle-class family outside Boston. The n-word was used frequently; n-jokes were told. I was taught black people were different and dangerous.
And the bad thoughts sometimes pop into my head. I don't agree with them, but they're ingrained.
And I feel like an asshole.
I have tried all my life to get those thoughts out. As well as thoughts about Latinos, and Jews, and...I don't know, anyone who is not Irish.
@NewsBunny: You don't sound like a jerk at all. You sound honest. We all have ingrained prejudices, some more deeply ingrained than others. The fact that you admit yours and work to change it puts you way ahead of the curve.
And the reason? "There have been few broad cultural precedents for what she represents." Translation: we haven't seen enough characters like Michelle on TV!
Actually Anna N., this is not too far off. I'm not sure why you are so incredulous.
Dr. Mae Jemison, the first black woman to go into space has mentioned the influence of seeing actress Nichelle Nichols (Lt. Uhura on Star Trek) on television as a little girl. She has mentioned her as an inspiration time and time again. Oprah Winfrey has mentioned how seeing Diana Ross and the Supremes on Ed Sullivan inspired her as a child.
You have to remember that there was a time (as late as the 1960s) when some black artists were not even pictured on their own record albums because the powers that be assumed that white people would not buy the records. An example is the Isley Brothers.
Also, I would recommend Veronica Chamber's book "Having It All: Black Women and Success" where Claire Huxtable is specifically mentioned as an inspiration for many real professional black women:
Twenty-first century black women draw their inspiration from a wide range of sources: Claire Huxtable to Audrey Hepburn, snowboarding to basketball, Gloria Steinem to bell hooks. They choose what they like. Yet they are misunderstood by mainstream America and lack an accurate portrayal in the media of their lives.
@Anovelista: I love that you mentioned Dr. Jemison. She is one of my daughter's heroes. I don't understand why more people don't know about her, and I have the troubling sensation that it's because we already have our Official Black Women Heroes: Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, and Oprah -- why find more? (Without any disrespect to those women, of course)
@thesciencegirl: Oh man, no, she drove me nuts. Really and truly! I felt like she was constantly trying to shame him into "good" behavior, and he was constantly trying to put stuff over on her, and UGH, it made me crazy. The whole "grown men are really naughty little boys" thing. I love Bill Cosby -- I grew up listening to his stand up on LPs (have I mentioned that I'm old?) and can still quote his old routines at will -- so I still watched most of the time, but man oh man. She reallyreally bugged me!
"what [people] do not see on a regular basis, they assume to be rare or even nonexistent" <--I wouldn't dismiss that statement at all. We've complained about societal problems where public ignorance is a product of this phenomenon, haven't we? That's certainly a problem in the whole "pro-life" versus "pro-abortion" public debate, for example, or homophobia...how many problems are misrepresented (or underrepresented) in the media, allowing people to make faulty judgments or to ignore a big problem that may affect them, too (not just a negligible group)?
Not that you can always blame people or be surprised...there are plenty of things I was "vague" about until I was exposed to information about it time and time again.
That said...yeah, it makes me kind of sad and I find it embarrassing that (as the media has it) the public is shocked by the Obamas.
I wonder how many observers shocked by the "eloquence" and social/educational mobility of the Obamas have gone to college, or gone to college with some racial diversity.
If nothing else...there are plenty of nonwhite authors and scientists I can think of that are on cable news, the Colbert Report or the Daily Show (younger audience, I guess), and the astrophysicist Neil Degrasse Tyson has been on everything from Colbert to Conan...for such an obscure field, he's a fun guest wherever he goes.
@maude_flanders: Nearly every member of my family has gotten at least a bachelor's degree, and they are all positively gobsmacked at both of the Obamas' ability to form complete and meaningful sentences. That may have more to do with attending mostly white colleges 40 years ago, though.
@la.donna.pietra: I can understand that...considering how relatively few non-whites (and individuals of any race) had access to higher education than today, maybe they've unconsciously developed a notion based on what things were like when they were in college, even if things have changed since then.
@maude_flanders: It's not even an issue of college so much as it is deliberate and rigorous self-segregation. My parents made a very particular point of moving to a small town when I was five. If you asked them why, they'd say that they wanted me to be safe, that the schools were good, and that they wanted me to grow up in a small-town environment. The upshot was that I knew one black person growing up. When I went to college, I met possibly 10 black people the entire time I was there--and this was at UC Santa Cruz between 1994-1998. A wide swath of America lives this way and is quite happy about it. They don't wear swastikas or white hoods, and they would deny being racists with their last breath--it's a lot more internalized.
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"I brought you into this world and I'll take you out of it"? As a sitcom tagline it belongs with "One of these days, Alice... Pow! Right to the moon!" A father insinuating that he'll kill his son if the son fails to live up to his father's expections is funny?
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P.S. I'm only 21.
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i must, respectfully, disagree. as someone with likely too much education i must say that having each one of the degrees i have has provided me with additional opportunities now and i know will in the future. i'm not saying you must have a degree to get ahead. many innovative people are able to do so without one. but it is more often an advantage than a hindrance. i know the loans suck but they will get paid off.
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One of my favorites, beyond this one, is the one where they bought that painting at auction. It hung over their fireplace for the rest of the series. I've never seen it in reruns.
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i am so with you. downloading season 1 now. i remember people saying it was elitist. but for me (a mixed kid with a physician father) it was just kinda cool to see black people on tv not acting all "ghetto black". i think that is part of the culture but not talking/acting like that is also possible!!!
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I'm white. I grew up in an Irish middle-class family outside Boston. The n-word was used frequently; n-jokes were told. I was taught black people were different and dangerous.
And the bad thoughts sometimes pop into my head. I don't agree with them, but they're ingrained.
And I feel like an asshole.
I have tried all my life to get those thoughts out. As well as thoughts about Latinos, and Jews, and...I don't know, anyone who is not Irish.
I sound like a jerk, don't I?
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Actually Anna N., this is not too far off. I'm not sure why you are so incredulous.
Dr. Mae Jemison, the first black woman to go into space has mentioned the influence of seeing actress Nichelle Nichols (Lt. Uhura on Star Trek) on television as a little girl. She has mentioned her as an inspiration time and time again. Oprah Winfrey has mentioned how seeing Diana Ross and the Supremes on Ed Sullivan inspired her as a child.
You have to remember that there was a time (as late as the 1960s) when some black artists were not even pictured on their own record albums because the powers that be assumed that white people would not buy the records. An example is the Isley Brothers.
Also, I would recommend Veronica Chamber's book "Having It All: Black Women and Success" where Claire Huxtable is specifically mentioned as an inspiration for many real professional black women:
Twenty-first century black women draw their inspiration from a wide range of sources: Claire Huxtable to Audrey Hepburn, snowboarding to basketball, Gloria Steinem to bell hooks. They choose what they like. Yet they are misunderstood by mainstream America and lack an accurate portrayal in the media of their lives.
[www.veronicachambers.com]
I don't find Robin Givhan's take "troubling" at all and I think that you are too quick to dismiss something that you are clearly not getting...
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I did always like him better though.
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Not that you can always blame people or be surprised...there are plenty of things I was "vague" about until I was exposed to information about it time and time again.
That said...yeah, it makes me kind of sad and I find it embarrassing that (as the media has it) the public is shocked by the Obamas.
I wonder how many observers shocked by the "eloquence" and social/educational mobility of the Obamas have gone to college, or gone to college with some racial diversity.
If nothing else...there are plenty of nonwhite authors and scientists I can think of that are on cable news, the Colbert Report or the Daily Show (younger audience, I guess), and the astrophysicist Neil Degrasse Tyson has been on everything from Colbert to Conan...for such an obscure field, he's a fun guest wherever he goes.
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This is not the way I want my kids to grow up.
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I'm surprised it took this long.
After all, Mrs. Huxtable, FLOTUS, Oprah, and Queen Latifah are the only functional black women ever.