What kind of practicing Catholic doesn't find that imagery sacrilegious? I'm not a practicing Catholic and I know sacrilege when I see it. That's really unfortunate and one more way that PETA stops at nothing to disrespect anyone and anything for the sake of animal rights.
Why is PETA even pretending to have an animal-related mission anymore? Someone just give them a reality show already so they can prance around naked for shock value with all the other fame-whore wannabes.
If the cats and dogs would just stop having unprotected sex there would be less needing adoption. PETA needs to stop with the nakedness and do the only logical thing: start a cat and dog condom business.
@sportz.star: Unwanted babies are what those b*tches deserve. They shouldn't be having unprotected sex, unless they want children. Teach those dogs (and cats) abstinence-only!
I just made this point last night, but I'll repeat it - if you are regularly pissing people off with this kind of blatant provocation you stand to lose more supporters than you win.
At least people like me (older, wiser, less tolerant of this BS and who have disposable income to contribute) who love animals and regularly contribute to the Humane Society and the ASPCA. I am an athiest and have no love for the Catholic League or the Catholic church, but this is offensive to mature people everywhere.
I get what PETA is trying to do and I agree with much of what they work for, but this is just stupid provocation that takes press and attention away from the good parts of their message.
@boobookitt: After reading about two of their recent campaigns here on Jezebel, I politely refused to give them money last time they called me. I explained why, citing the campaign that used Dr. Tiller's murder.
I also agree with their goal of ending cruelty to animals, but they get too much press for their crazy antics. I'm not going to enable that behavior. I'll donate to our local shelters instead.
@FrostyTempleton: Just out of curiosity what was their reaction when you told them that you would no longer be donating because of their offensive ads?
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: I think the call was from one of those businesses that charities can hire to make calls for them. She just said, "oh, okay. I'll let them know". I didn't feel like it was going to have much of an impact. :| Next time I get their form letter in the mail I may include a short essay about why I'm not going to renew. That'll show 'em!
I hate PETA but its response to the church cracked my shit up. How is it that the catholic church always has time to clutch its pearls over bullshit, but can't take care of things in their own house?
@Awestruck: I had seen this figure alluded to but didn't know the source. Unreal. If all they want to do is run vanity media campaigns featuring celebrities, why operate the shelter(s) at all? I had no idea they were in the "shelter" business. They want me to give up cheese while they kill dogs and cats? No fucking way.
@Awestruck: For what it's worth, a) I've heard that a lot of the information on that site is unreliable, but more importantly b) euthanasia of animals is not entirely inconsistent with PETA's overall message, especially considering they're for animal liberation, and not animal rights, the former of which operates on the right of animals to absolute freedom and not just the rights not to be eaten or abused (extremely oversimplified, obviously, but you get the point). If memory serves me, Ingrid Newkirk has responded to these accusations by saying that she believes animals are better off being given a quick and painless death than suffering a long lonely existence in a cage for years only to die unadopted and alone anyway. Shelter life is no picnic for animals, not to mention the fact that there is a never-ending flow of strays and other homeless animals and not enough room or funding to keep them all. You can't talk about something like this and ignore that harsh reality. And even though I'm very staunchly pro-animal rights, there are some animals who are too sick or too aggressive (through no fault of their own) at which point, after every other option has been exhausted, euthanizing them is the only truly compassionate course. You don't have to agree with it, but to act as though they're somehow hypocritical because some animals in their care are euthanized is just inaccurate. (For the record, I am not overall a supporter of PETA. I'm just a supporter of truth.)
@Gumbina80: PETA is the vanity project of the completely batshit insane Ingrid Newkirk--I wouldn't be surprised if the upper brass at the organization weren't even vegetarians, they are such hypocrites.
@Awestruck: Except that she was a co-founder, not the sole founder, and 30 years is an awful long time to be running a non-profit "vanity" project.
Look, I hate PETA's sexist tactics, too. Their marketing arm is completely out of hand and this type of campaign is pretty indefensible. But it's absolutely ridiculous to assert that they're not serious about animal rights or that everyone at the organization is a hypocrite. PETA does an ton of work that has nothing to do with their questionable marketing campaigns.
@Eriu: I volunteer at a shelter and work at a vet's office, I'm not just some bleeding heart--I've seen pets being euthanized and will probably euthanize them myself some day and agree that it is often compassionate to euthanize.
I don't think it's inaccurate to call PETA hypocritical for euthanizing pets, particularly when there's such a large number of no-kill shelters in this country. For an organization to be invested in the perfectibility of the human-animal relationship, to the extent that they officially object to therapy dogs of all goddamn things, and operate a euthanizing shelter, yes, it is hypocritical.
And hey, I eat meat and then go to work and play with puppies. I'm definitely a hypocrite. But I don't take it upon myself to preach to 99.999% of the world that they're unethical and immoral and involved in a Holocaust-level atrocity.
@Awestruck: We'll have to agree to disagree that euthanasia is hypocritical for animal liberationists. Animal rights activists, perhaps. But to them, death is liberation if the only other option is suffering. I don't agree in every instance, but I don't find it inconsistent with their beliefs either.
And of course there are no-kill shelters, and every single one I know of is overflowing and turning away dozens to hundreds of animals daily.
@slowpoke.r @Eriu: haha, I'm sorry, I was totally joking! I hate InternetArguing, I guess I didn't realize I was being incendiary. If you absolutely demand seriousness from me, of course we can agree to disagree! This is what I was going to write before being a goofball: I actually appreciate how much attention PETA has brought to the brutality of slaughterhouses and the production of fur and leather, I have met a number of very intelligent, articulate animal rights activists who support PETA's mission, if not all of its advertising.
But I cannot tell you how negatively its marketing and Newkirk's statements affect my view of PETA, particularly when so many other organizations do such amazing work with so much less. I don't feel that strongly about no-kill shelters, but when I learn about an organization like PETA, an organization that presents such an extreme image and is wildly, inappropriately critical of private citizens, operating a shelter that euthanizes, it prompts a response that is perhaps out of proportion with my actual feelings. Extremity provokes extremity!
You're right, leveling the charge of hypocrite at everyone in the organization is a bit much. I just re-read a NYer profile of Newkirk from a few years ago, and maybe she and PETA have made a difference in how people treat animals or perceive animal rights, which is certainly worthwhile, despite the fact that I could not more vehemently disagree with most of their tactics.
My apologies for being a smart-ass (emphasis on ass).
@Awestruck: Thank you for that and sorry if I got a bit snippy. It's so easy for a bit of off-the-cuff hyperbole to be misread on the internet.
I agree with a lot of your points. I'm pretty conflicted about PeTA and Newkirk for many of the reasons you cite, but I do think that the organization as a whole is sincere in its mission. And they really have made a huge difference in the treatment of animals, particularly those used for research and food. But their ads...ugh.
@slowpoke.r: oh good, you're not mad at me :) (sorry about the smiley face)
I had an argument with someone in class once that PETA does more harm than good in terms of recruiting people for the animal-rights cause, which I don't really believe anymore, but I do think they are betraying one of the largest animal-rights constituencies (women) with their constant emphasis on sex and appearance.
Have you ever read Elizabeth Costello by J.M. Coetzee? This thread keeps making me think of it, it's about a woman who is a Ingrid Newkirk-level activist/scholar, who actually has a really complicated philosophical discussion about the ontological dilemmas of the human-animal relationship...oh, it's really good. Anyone interested in animal rights should read it, or the shorter version in his The Lives of Animals.
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At least people like me (older, wiser, less tolerant of this BS and who have disposable income to contribute) who love animals and regularly contribute to the Humane Society and the ASPCA. I am an athiest and have no love for the Catholic League or the Catholic church, but this is offensive to mature people everywhere.
I get what PETA is trying to do and I agree with much of what they work for, but this is just stupid provocation that takes press and attention away from the good parts of their message.
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I also agree with their goal of ending cruelty to animals, but they get too much press for their crazy antics. I'm not going to enable that behavior. I'll donate to our local shelters instead.
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Look, I hate PETA's sexist tactics, too. Their marketing arm is completely out of hand and this type of campaign is pretty indefensible. But it's absolutely ridiculous to assert that they're not serious about animal rights or that everyone at the organization is a hypocrite. PETA does an ton of work that has nothing to do with their questionable marketing campaigns.
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I don't think it's inaccurate to call PETA hypocritical for euthanizing pets, particularly when there's such a large number of no-kill shelters in this country. For an organization to be invested in the perfectibility of the human-animal relationship, to the extent that they officially object to therapy dogs of all goddamn things, and operate a euthanizing shelter, yes, it is hypocritical.
And hey, I eat meat and then go to work and play with puppies. I'm definitely a hypocrite. But I don't take it upon myself to preach to 99.999% of the world that they're unethical and immoral and involved in a Holocaust-level atrocity.
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And of course there are no-kill shelters, and every single one I know of is overflowing and turning away dozens to hundreds of animals daily.
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Oh, whatever, you're entitled to your opinion.
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But I cannot tell you how negatively its marketing and Newkirk's statements affect my view of PETA, particularly when so many other organizations do such amazing work with so much less. I don't feel that strongly about no-kill shelters, but when I learn about an organization like PETA, an organization that presents such an extreme image and is wildly, inappropriately critical of private citizens, operating a shelter that euthanizes, it prompts a response that is perhaps out of proportion with my actual feelings. Extremity provokes extremity!
You're right, leveling the charge of hypocrite at everyone in the organization is a bit much. I just re-read a NYer profile of Newkirk from a few years ago, and maybe she and PETA have made a difference in how people treat animals or perceive animal rights, which is certainly worthwhile, despite the fact that I could not more vehemently disagree with most of their tactics.
My apologies for being a smart-ass (emphasis on ass).
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I agree with a lot of your points. I'm pretty conflicted about PeTA and Newkirk for many of the reasons you cite, but I do think that the organization as a whole is sincere in its mission. And they really have made a huge difference in the treatment of animals, particularly those used for research and food. But their ads...ugh.
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I had an argument with someone in class once that PETA does more harm than good in terms of recruiting people for the animal-rights cause, which I don't really believe anymore, but I do think they are betraying one of the largest animal-rights constituencies (women) with their constant emphasis on sex and appearance.
Have you ever read Elizabeth Costello by J.M. Coetzee? This thread keeps making me think of it, it's about a woman who is a Ingrid Newkirk-level activist/scholar, who actually has a really complicated philosophical discussion about the ontological dilemmas of the human-animal relationship...oh, it's really good. Anyone interested in animal rights should read it, or the shorter version in his The Lives of Animals.
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And yeah, judging by the general Jezebel commenter reaction to any PeTA post, you were arguing a very sound point.
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