(Something funky's up with the comments--the index page says there's 418 on this article, but I can only see a handful.) #comments#bugs#tips
Edited to add: never mind, Just read the article a few posts north of here and the Powers That Be are aware! (Am I the only one who reads blogs from the bottom up?)
Among the many things I don't understand about how hastags work is this: sometimes people will put a hashtag in their comment all #woofunnyahashtag, and when I click on it, I get a page that tells me this: "We can't find any comments with those tags. Or check your spelling and try again. " Except obviously there is a comment with that tag. I just saw it. It's how I got here. #commenting
@MmSM: Exactly. This view SUCKS. I hate it. I was gone for a week and normally would miss Jez but couldn't care less. I can't read it this way all mushed together. #commenting
@theorchidthief: Agreed. I missed a couple days and tried to catch up and while I appreciate that the pagination is back (that was a huge problem for catching up), if it's just a headline with no picture or lede, I don't click on it.
Which is why I've only just seen this post despite scrolling over it a couple of times. This seems like a guaranteed way to descrease pageviews, which I assume is not the goal here. #commenting
@tailfeather: Exactly. I click on like 3 articles a day now as opposed to 90% of the articles in the old view. Oh well. Seems like a dumb move to me but it's not my company. #commenting
How does one search for a hashtag page that is already created but is not listed? Ex: If I want to search for comments re: nyc, which I already created, but do not want to add to right now - how would I do that? #commenting
My avatar pic keeps switching between my old one and my new one. Not great when I specifically changed it and my name after someone from real life made a comment to me about one of my posts. #commenting
@Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!: Mine's been switching back and forth as well. My reasons were purely aesthetic, do I don't particularly mind it but it's still kind of annoying. #commenting
My only problems are with notifications (which aren't showing up at all anymore, which isn't a huge deal for me), and the groupthink not really working. #commenting
@femme-bot: I was thinking no one was commenting on my comments because I stopped getting notifications. Then I went to my activity page, and that is where it lists all the replies I had. I had just assumed that notifications were intentionally no longer showing up on the main page. #commenting
Is there a limit to how many comments are made to a post? For instance, the [jezebel.com] (<--the Sat. Night Social) does not start at the very first comment thread made. I saw the first threads Sat. night, but in going back to read the next day the earliest threads do not appear.
ETA: I just clicked "Older Threads" to get to the beginning again and now none of the replies are appearing. (Dell desktop, XP pro, latest Firefox)
I have not been getting any notifications. Windows Vista, Lenovo Thinkpad, Firefox 2.0. Also not working on my Dell GX280 running Windows XP Professional, Firefox 2.0.
(I am not a starred commenter if that helps any.) #commenting
@Pandorasvoicebox: According to a Gawker editor, the tech team temporarily disabled the notifications and they will get them up "as soon as possible." #commenting
I think I'm just resigning myself to Just Not Getting It vis-a-vis this new system. I've talked about it at io9, I guess I've kinda-sorta had it explained, but I still just don't understand the usefulness of the hashtags. Like, at all. It's not a forum, and I don't know why it keeps getting called that. As far as I can tell it's just a way to better organize comments. #commenting
@samarkand: Me too. Thankfully you don't really have to understand the hashtags to still read & comment here. I just don't use that feature or really pay attention to it. #commenting
@serreca: I ignore the hashtags for the same reason. I just don't understand how they operate--I guess I am a very visual thinker and they confuse me because there is no central, easily visible location for them that is linked conceptually to everything else on the site. If they were more clearly integrated with all the content on the site, rather than scattered, I think I'd be able to appreciate them. I don't have a problem with them, though. Plenty of starred commenters seem to have embraced them, so they must be good for something. #commenting
@Pandorasvoicebox: One of the first things I learned when maintaining my employer's website was that you never orphan any of the site's content because it becomes useless to anyone who doesn't already know the url to access it directly.
I don't have any problem with the hashtags, either. I just think they could be better managed and, as a result, more people would use them. #commenting
@Cerridwen: This is true. I get the hashtag system and enjoy it, but it's really difficult to guess what someone else who might be discussing something that interests you would have picked to start a thread. I'm sure this has resulted in a fair number of hashtags that have only ever been seen by their original author. I don't know that a list of pre-existing hashtags will solve this, though, as the list will get rather large. #commenting
@Atomic Bowling: No, you're right. It's a pretty ineffective way of generating and managing content, in my opinion. If Gawker wanted more interactive sites, why not just create forums? Sure, they might require some more moderation but they would be so much easier to use. A quick-fix would be a directory, but that doesn't solve the problem of potentially endless permuations of the same subject being generated.
@JoStockton: It looks like it. We've had Friday, Saturday, and Sunday OTs for a couple of weeks now, and I think Anna mentioned keeping them around in Friday's Stick a Fork in It. #commenting
@Miss Scarlett is made of sugar and spice and everything nice: Of all the bugs of the new system, that was the one thing I wanted addressed. I still don't understand how we are supposed to get much out of this hashtag system when we can't access a directory of all the hashtags that have been created. But I am willing to acknowledge that is probably a result of my ignorance! #commenting
@Cerridwen: I'm in the same boat-- without such a directory, I just don't see the point of the system, which makes me wonder if I've misunderstood its intent.
I was kind of hoping today's post would get into that a bit more. I know this was a Gawker-wide idea, and not specific to Jezebel, but I'm just not getting it. Without a directory, BeckyIva's example above with TeamEdward and TeamEdwardCullen is exactly the concern, but multiplied exponentially. #commenting
@Plum-Pie: But you have to know what you are looking for, though, right? And this is the problem I see with the system. I could create a hashtag but if no one knows it has been created, no one knows to look for it, which I think really hampers the whole "create your own content!" idea behind introducing hashtags in the first place. Some hashtags are pretty obvious, but there are infinite variations on the names one could assign to the same topic (say madmen or madwomen or madmenrecap or madmenepisode all for Mad Men, etc). Without cataloguing all the hashtags out there, many of them (the majority, probably) become useless pretty fast. #commenting
@Plum-Pie: I'm wondering though about some of the lesser known hashtags. Like if I want to discuss obsceretvshow I want other people to be able to have a directory and see other people are discussing that topic kwim? #commenting
6. I am an unstarred commenter; why can't I create hashtag pages?
This is part of the new system, i.e. not a bug. Unstarred commenters, however, can create new threads within already-created hashtag pages.
So, only the starred commenters can use that hashtag function----and there really isn't any way to become a starred commenter?
This two tier system is beginning to get a bit icky. #commenting
@meg9: in theory the tier system is a good idea but in practice i'm also refraining from commenting pretty frequently now because
a) i don't really understand this hashtag thing but it doesn't matter becase i can't use it anyway and
b) there doesn't seem to be any clear way to become a starred commenter, that i know of. i had thought that if a commenter gets a majority of his/her posts promoted s/he could become starred but it doesn't seem to work that way... #commenting
@kristinab: Seconding parts a and b. I get why there's a tiered commenting system, trolls suck and it's a way to weed them out. But after a while haven't you sort of proven you're not a troll? I don't understand what you have to do in order to get a star. #commenting
@samarkand: I asked on a saturday night thread a few weeks back if anybody had received a star since the new system was implemented and a bunch of people said yes. I had just gotten mine like 2 days before the new system started and then it went away during the culling. I had kind of thought that this meant I would be able to get it back fairly easily, but I think I was very wrong. In any case, it has really demotivated me to comment on posts since I know the comment will be hidden within 15 minutes if it doesn't get promoted. #commenting
@kristinab: It used to be that once you hit 50 followers, you got a star. Once they changed the commenting system, that changed too. They also culled a lot of stars from people. The whole idea was to have fewer people with stars, not more. Now, there's no real way to get a star, as in, "If 51% of your comments are promoted" or "If you get 50/100/500 followers".
Now, I've been commenting for several months. I don't comment every day, but fairly often. I have almost 300 friends and over 150 followers, and I don't have a star. I'd be elated if I got one, but not having one isn't gonna stop me from commenting, and from what I can tell, it doesn't really stop people from reading my comments. And anyone else not having a star doesn't stop me from reading their comments. Most of the people who read and comment frequently always have "show hidden comments" on. I see it as, you can make a good comment, and it won't get promoted. If you make a great comment, it will get promoted. And if you are a troll, you'll get disemvoweled. #commenting
@kristinab: It does, actually, though with the technical issues sometimes things slip through.
@samarkind: In order to get a star, just keep posting good comments (I don't doubt that you already are). Sometimes it takes a while, especially now, as things are insane, but I try to be on the lookout as much as possible. #commenting
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Edited to add: never mind, Just read the article a few posts north of here and the Powers That Be are aware! (Am I the only one who reads blogs from the bottom up?)
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Or I will type in caps in every comment until my demands are met. #commenting
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Which is why I've only just seen this post despite scrolling over it a couple of times. This seems like a guaranteed way to descrease pageviews, which I assume is not the goal here. #commenting
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ETA: I just clicked "Older Threads" to get to the beginning again and now none of the replies are appearing. (Dell desktop, XP pro, latest Firefox)
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(I am not a starred commenter if that helps any.) #commenting
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I don't have any problem with the hashtags, either. I just think they could be better managed and, as a result, more people would use them. #commenting
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Look, KISS it: "keep it simple stupid" and I'm happy - but ain't my site so I use it the way I use it and if it gets too bad I won't. #commenting
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I was kind of hoping today's post would get into that a bit more. I know this was a Gawker-wide idea, and not specific to Jezebel, but I'm just not getting it. Without a directory, BeckyIva's example above with TeamEdward and TeamEdwardCullen is exactly the concern, but multiplied exponentially. #commenting
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This is part of the new system, i.e. not a bug. Unstarred commenters, however, can create new threads within already-created hashtag pages.
So, only the starred commenters can use that hashtag function----and there really isn't any way to become a starred commenter?
This two tier system is beginning to get a bit icky. #commenting
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a) i don't really understand this hashtag thing but it doesn't matter becase i can't use it anyway and
b) there doesn't seem to be any clear way to become a starred commenter, that i know of. i had thought that if a commenter gets a majority of his/her posts promoted s/he could become starred but it doesn't seem to work that way... #commenting
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Now, I've been commenting for several months. I don't comment every day, but fairly often. I have almost 300 friends and over 150 followers, and I don't have a star. I'd be elated if I got one, but not having one isn't gonna stop me from commenting, and from what I can tell, it doesn't really stop people from reading my comments. And anyone else not having a star doesn't stop me from reading their comments. Most of the people who read and comment frequently always have "show hidden comments" on. I see it as, you can make a good comment, and it won't get promoted. If you make a great comment, it will get promoted. And if you are a troll, you'll get disemvoweled. #commenting
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@samarkind: In order to get a star, just keep posting good comments (I don't doubt that you already are). Sometimes it takes a while, especially now, as things are insane, but I try to be on the lookout as much as possible. #commenting