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mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it
10/26/09

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Replies no longer come up on the homepage now. Sadface.

PC Vista Chrome #commenting
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egg cream
10/26/09

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Among the many things I don't understand about how hastags work is this: sometimes people will put a hashtag in their comment all #woofunnyahashtag, and when I click on it, I get a page that tells me this: "We can't find any comments with those tags. Or check your spelling and try again. " Except obviously there is a comment with that tag. I just saw it. It's how I got here. #commenting
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theorchidthief
10/26/09

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So we're not getting expanded view back then? Grrr. #commenting
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MmSM
10/26/09

@theorchidthief: THIS, This is the biggest issue I have so far.

Fix this.

Or I will type in caps in every comment until my demands are met. #commenting
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theorchidthief
10/26/09

@MmSM: Exactly. This view SUCKS. I hate it. I was gone for a week and normally would miss Jez but couldn't care less. I can't read it this way all mushed together. #commenting
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tailfeather
10/27/09

@theorchidthief: Agreed. I missed a couple days and tried to catch up and while I appreciate that the pagination is back (that was a huge problem for catching up), if it's just a headline with no picture or lede, I don't click on it.

Which is why I've only just seen this post despite scrolling over it a couple of times. This seems like a guaranteed way to descrease pageviews, which I assume is not the goal here. #commenting
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theorchidthief
10/27/09

@tailfeather: Exactly. I click on like 3 articles a day now as opposed to 90% of the articles in the old view. Oh well. Seems like a dumb move to me but it's not my company. #commenting
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katylalala
10/26/09

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Check, check?

I am having trouble even logging in. Anyone else?
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hortense
10/26/09

@katylalala: Send the type of computer/browser/os you are using in, and we'll try to figure out what's going on. #commenting
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thesciencegirl
10/26/09

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It would make a lot of sense to have a directory or index of hashtags. Like a heck of a lot. Pretty please. #commenting
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futuremouse
10/26/09

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How does one search for a hashtag page that is already created but is not listed? Ex: If I want to search for comments re: nyc, which I already created, but do not want to add to right now - how would I do that? #commenting
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Plum-Pie
10/26/09

@futuremouse: Type [jezebel.com] [or whatever tag you're looking for]/ into the address bar.
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futuremouse
10/26/09

@Plum-Pie: Aha! Thanks! And I'm off to search innapropriate hashtag threads! #commenting
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
10/26/09

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My avatar pic keeps switching between my old one and my new one. Not great when I specifically changed it and my name after someone from real life made a comment to me about one of my posts. #commenting
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
10/26/09

@Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!: Mine's been switching back and forth as well. My reasons were purely aesthetic, do I don't particularly mind it but it's still kind of annoying. #commenting
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JerkoftheMonth
10/26/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Mine did this for maybe a week or so after I changed it before only having the new one. #commenting
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
10/26/09

@JerkoftheMonth: Mine's been doing it since the 9th. #commenting
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femme-bot
10/26/09

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My only problems are with notifications (which aren't showing up at all anymore, which isn't a huge deal for me), and the groupthink not really working. #commenting
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Elaken
10/26/09

@femme-bot: I was thinking no one was commenting on my comments because I stopped getting notifications. Then I went to my activity page, and that is where it lists all the replies I had. I had just assumed that notifications were intentionally no longer showing up on the main page. #commenting
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Lymed
10/26/09

@femme-bot: The notifications were temporarily disabled by the tech team, per Gawker. #commenting
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squirrelcop
10/26/09

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Is there a limit to how many comments are made to a post? For instance, the [jezebel.com] (<--the Sat. Night Social) does not start at the very first comment thread made. I saw the first threads Sat. night, but in going back to read the next day the earliest threads do not appear.

ETA: I just clicked "Older Threads" to get to the beginning again and now none of the replies are appearing. (Dell desktop, XP pro, latest Firefox)
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Pandorasvoicebox
10/26/09

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I have not been getting any notifications. Windows Vista, Lenovo Thinkpad, Firefox 2.0. Also not working on my Dell GX280 running Windows XP Professional, Firefox 2.0.

(I am not a starred commenter if that helps any.) #commenting
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femme-bot
10/26/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: Also on firefox, no notifications. #commenting
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curiousgeorgiana
10/26/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: Same. Windows Vista, Firefox 2.0 #commenting
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HarpMadness
10/26/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: Same on Mac OS 10.6, Safari. No notifications. #commenting
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Cerridwen
10/26/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: Windows Vista, Internet Explorer (not sure which version), no comment notifications either. #commenting
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Lymed
10/26/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: According to a Gawker editor, the tech team temporarily disabled the notifications and they will get them up "as soon as possible." #commenting
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samarkand
10/26/09

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I think I'm just resigning myself to Just Not Getting It vis-a-vis this new system. I've talked about it at io9, I guess I've kinda-sorta had it explained, but I still just don't understand the usefulness of the hashtags. Like, at all. It's not a forum, and I don't know why it keeps getting called that. As far as I can tell it's just a way to better organize comments. #commenting
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serreca
10/26/09

@samarkand: Me too. Thankfully you don't really have to understand the hashtags to still read & comment here. I just don't use that feature or really pay attention to it. #commenting
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Pandorasvoicebox
10/26/09

@serreca: I ignore the hashtags for the same reason. I just don't understand how they operate--I guess I am a very visual thinker and they confuse me because there is no central, easily visible location for them that is linked conceptually to everything else on the site. If they were more clearly integrated with all the content on the site, rather than scattered, I think I'd be able to appreciate them. I don't have a problem with them, though. Plenty of starred commenters seem to have embraced them, so they must be good for something. #commenting
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Cerridwen
10/26/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: One of the first things I learned when maintaining my employer's website was that you never orphan any of the site's content because it becomes useless to anyone who doesn't already know the url to access it directly.
I don't have any problem with the hashtags, either. I just think they could be better managed and, as a result, more people would use them. #commenting
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Atomic Bowling
10/26/09

@Cerridwen: This is true. I get the hashtag system and enjoy it, but it's really difficult to guess what someone else who might be discussing something that interests you would have picked to start a thread. I'm sure this has resulted in a fair number of hashtags that have only ever been seen by their original author. I don't know that a list of pre-existing hashtags will solve this, though, as the list will get rather large. #commenting
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sybann
10/26/09

@samarkand: 10,000th to pile on with a "with you on this" opinion.

Look, KISS it: "keep it simple stupid" and I'm happy - but ain't my site so I use it the way I use it and if it gets too bad I won't. #commenting
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Cerridwen
10/26/09

@Atomic Bowling: No, you're right. It's a pretty ineffective way of generating and managing content, in my opinion. If Gawker wanted more interactive sites, why not just create forums? Sure, they might require some more moderation but they would be so much easier to use. A quick-fix would be a directory, but that doesn't solve the problem of potentially endless permuations of the same subject being generated.

Oh, well... #commenting
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JoStockton
10/26/09

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So, if Tier Two commenters can't start new conversations with hashtags, does this mean we're keeping the weekend open threads? #commenting
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JoStockton
10/26/09

@JoStockton: and by conversations, I mean pages... #commenting
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wtfox?!
10/26/09

@JoStockton: It looks like it. We've had Friday, Saturday, and Sunday OTs for a couple of weeks now, and I think Anna mentioned keeping them around in Friday's Stick a Fork in It. #commenting
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Miss Scarlett
10/26/09

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Is there some way to know which hashtags have been created? #commenting
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BeckyIva
10/26/09

@Miss Scarlett is made of sugar and spice and everything nice: THAT would be brills. So, you could check to see that #TeamEdward already exists, before creating #TeamEdwardCullen (for instance). #commenting
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Cerridwen
10/26/09

@Miss Scarlett is made of sugar and spice and everything nice: Of all the bugs of the new system, that was the one thing I wanted addressed. I still don't understand how we are supposed to get much out of this hashtag system when we can't access a directory of all the hashtags that have been created. But I am willing to acknowledge that is probably a result of my ignorance! #commenting
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formergr
10/26/09

@Cerridwen: I'm in the same boat-- without such a directory, I just don't see the point of the system, which makes me wonder if I've misunderstood its intent.

I was kind of hoping today's post would get into that a bit more. I know this was a Gawker-wide idea, and not specific to Jezebel, but I'm just not getting it. Without a directory, BeckyIva's example above with TeamEdward and TeamEdwardCullen is exactly the concern, but multiplied exponentially. #commenting
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Plum-Pie
10/26/09

@Miss Scarlett is made of sugar and spice and everything nice: Yep - type [jezebel.com] you're looking for]/ into the address bar. #commenting
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Cerridwen
10/26/09

@Plum-Pie: But you have to know what you are looking for, though, right? And this is the problem I see with the system. I could create a hashtag but if no one knows it has been created, no one knows to look for it, which I think really hampers the whole "create your own content!" idea behind introducing hashtags in the first place. Some hashtags are pretty obvious, but there are infinite variations on the names one could assign to the same topic (say madmen or madwomen or madmenrecap or madmenepisode all for Mad Men, etc). Without cataloguing all the hashtags out there, many of them (the majority, probably) become useless pretty fast. #commenting
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Miss Scarlett
10/26/09

@Plum-Pie: I'm wondering though about some of the lesser known hashtags. Like if I want to discuss obsceretvshow I want other people to be able to have a directory and see other people are discussing that topic kwim? #commenting
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meg9
10/26/09

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6. I am an unstarred commenter; why can't I create hashtag pages?
This is part of the new system, i.e. not a bug. Unstarred commenters, however, can create new threads within already-created hashtag pages.

So, only the starred commenters can use that hashtag function----and there really isn't any way to become a starred commenter?

This two tier system is beginning to get a bit icky. #commenting
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kristinab
10/26/09

@meg9: in theory the tier system is a good idea but in practice i'm also refraining from commenting pretty frequently now because

a) i don't really understand this hashtag thing but it doesn't matter becase i can't use it anyway and
b) there doesn't seem to be any clear way to become a starred commenter, that i know of. i had thought that if a commenter gets a majority of his/her posts promoted s/he could become starred but it doesn't seem to work that way... #commenting
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samarkand
10/26/09

@kristinab: Seconding parts a and b. I get why there's a tiered commenting system, trolls suck and it's a way to weed them out. But after a while haven't you sort of proven you're not a troll? I don't understand what you have to do in order to get a star. #commenting
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bluetrain84
10/26/09

@samarkand: I asked on a saturday night thread a few weeks back if anybody had received a star since the new system was implemented and a bunch of people said yes. I had just gotten mine like 2 days before the new system started and then it went away during the culling. I had kind of thought that this meant I would be able to get it back fairly easily, but I think I was very wrong. In any case, it has really demotivated me to comment on posts since I know the comment will be hidden within 15 minutes if it doesn't get promoted. #commenting
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toastandlove
10/26/09

@kristinab: It used to be that once you hit 50 followers, you got a star. Once they changed the commenting system, that changed too. They also culled a lot of stars from people. The whole idea was to have fewer people with stars, not more. Now, there's no real way to get a star, as in, "If 51% of your comments are promoted" or "If you get 50/100/500 followers".

Now, I've been commenting for several months. I don't comment every day, but fairly often. I have almost 300 friends and over 150 followers, and I don't have a star. I'd be elated if I got one, but not having one isn't gonna stop me from commenting, and from what I can tell, it doesn't really stop people from reading my comments. And anyone else not having a star doesn't stop me from reading their comments. Most of the people who read and comment frequently always have "show hidden comments" on. I see it as, you can make a good comment, and it won't get promoted. If you make a great comment, it will get promoted. And if you are a troll, you'll get disemvoweled. #commenting
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hortense
10/26/09

@bluetrain84: There was a glitch that took away a TON of stars during the switch over. Send me an email and I'll see what I can do. #commenting
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hortense
10/26/09

@kristinab: It does, actually, though with the technical issues sometimes things slip through.

@samarkind: In order to get a star, just keep posting good comments (I don't doubt that you already are). Sometimes it takes a while, especially now, as things are insane, but I try to be on the lookout as much as possible. #commenting
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formergr
10/26/09

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I very briefly (for like 2 days) started getting notifications for both starred and unstarred replies to my comments, but then ever since maybe the middle of last week(?) I've stopped getting any reply notification at all.

The hidden comments do appear to be working now, though, so thanks for that! #commenting
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
10/26/09

@formergr: Ditto this. #commenting
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linnyt is a walking cliché
10/26/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Same here. #commenting
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BabyJane
10/26/09

@formergr: I thought that promotions and demotions did show up on your profile page and notifications? It did for a while, anyway.
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Pandorasvoicebox
10/26/09

@formergr: Not working for me. I am currently using Windows XP Professional on a Dell GX280 desktop with Firefox 2.0. It was also not working for me on my Windows Vista Lenovo Thinkpad laptop this morning on Firefox 2.0.
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BabyJane
10/26/09

@BabyJane: Update - I demoted my own comment to see what happens and it shows up on my profile page, but other than that, I'm not getting any notifications of responses, promotions or demotions. #commenting
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