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11/18/08
However, if those pro-lifers ever got their heads on straight and concentrated their efforts towards this goal, then would have to start calling myself a pro-lifer. And by the sheer freakiness of such an occurrence, I would get all discombobulated and the world would be topsy-turvy.
11/17/08
Everyone is all about 'Free Tibet' but they forget their neighbors to the north
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I am opposed to forced abortions. But since the world is extremely overpopulated, I think family planning should be promoted all over the globe, and contraception should be passed around like candy - to everyone. And abortion should be safe, legal, and readily available to any woman who wants one.
I hope Obama repeals the Global Gag Rule, and soon.
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Ugh, people make me angry.
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"Supporters are concerned a forced abortion at such a late stage could threaten Arzigul's health."
That's the concern? THAT? Her health is incredibly important but let's focus on the part where she shouldn't be FORCED to have an abortion.
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(Total sarcasm in case anyone didn't realize.)
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That aside, forcing an abortion that late is all sorts of wrong sauce.
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There are a lot more nuanced factors involved in populations dynamics than simply eliminating reproductive freedom would address.
11/17/08
But I'm not thinking China's too keen on them leaving the country.
11/17/08
This is why we need global sex education. This is why we need birth control as much as we need clean water.
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See?? Logic!
11/17/08
@Crabby Cakes wants some Dance Biscuits.: I wonder what does happen if you've had a child and want to remarry. Does you next spouse have to give up his/her right to a child because you've already had your one??
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p.s. Why the hell do women in China try and have a second kid since there is forced abortion? Seriously, if it were me I'd have the doctor give me a tubal ligation as soon as my first and only kid came out. If China is so serious about the "one kid" rule you'd think they would perform sterilization on the parents as soon as #1 baby popped from the womb. Mandatory sterilization sounds a lot less traumatizing than a forced late-term abortion.
11/17/08
further playing Devil's Advocate....and DON'T attack me for asking (!!!) - why did this woman, who lives in a country with a very well-known one child law allow herself to get pregnant (her and her husband/the father) ???
duh ?
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I know a few things about addressing population control but would like to hear your "take" : )
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its not a nice policy, but we had all better be thankful for it, the planet would be more screwed without it, and china would not be as advanced.
11/17/08
That said, I see nothing wrong with limiting a breeding couple to one child and think it should be done in all countries at this juncture; 6,737,589,162 population and counting.
But, it is human nature to be selfish and so, incidents like this happen when the woman knowing full well she could not have another child. Now, everyone is in an uproar when it was she who broke the law; she put herself in this position.
Even when there is access to birth control - births happen (though I am not ignoring that sex education and birth control access need some serious work)
11/17/08
11/17/08
As for resources being stretched to the limit, resources are abused to the limit, there's plenty enough to go round if people traded fairly.
But I guess that's too much like hard work isn't it?
What about all the enforced population control that used to be conducted on Aboriginal/ Native American women? Was that for the good of humanity too?
11/17/08
What you are saying is absolutely evil and I can't believe more people aren't calling you out on it.
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11/18/08
And then here's my little tidbit:
The woman already has two children, does she really need three? With the world's population already not being environmentally sustainable I do not see the problem with limiting the amount of children a woman can have. She knew the law and she obviously understood it (she fled during her third pregnancy) so what difference does it make if in the eyes of the law she is a criminal. Criminals are prosecuted in the United States.
Fact is, our environment cannot sustain our level of increase in population. If she were to be able to keep her third child the Chinese population would no longer find it necessary to adhere to the One Child Policy and we could start seeing a surge in population in an area that already holds 1/5 of the world's population. So sorry, I don't think it is a matter of feminism. The government already let her have two children. Her case is can affect millions of Chinese women and the world cannot afford to see a surge in the Chinese population. I'm not even talking about economics or food supply, only the environmental impact her case can have. As you can see if we factor in economics and food supply we'll see that in her case she shouldn't be allowed to continue with her pregnancy. It's not about feminism or ethics, the government never said she cannot have any children at all.
If China did not enforce this policy, the world would see a breeding ground for infectious disease. Little space and a large population is a prime breeding ground. China would have to spend more money on public health, schooling, public transportation (roads, etc), housing, energy, etc. to be a first world country. Frankly, with the size of the population now, if there was no One Child Policy we would see China as a 2nd or third tier country.
Oh, and btw I identify myself as feminist and Chinese American. Does that change your thoughts?
11/18/08
The whole overpopulation argument rings false to me. As another poster mentioned, when people have access to health care, contraception and education, fertility naturally comes down to replacement level or lower. Fertility rates have dropped globally in the last 50 years. Many Western countries are well below replacement level and those countries will need immigrants in the coming years so that someone can keep the trains running.
I am really surprised to see so many people who are pro-forced family planning. Reproduction is a personal decision. I don't want the goverment deciding how many children I am permitted to have, just like I don't want the goverment forcing be to bring a pregnancy to term. I'd apprecaite it if everyone could keep their laws off my uterus.
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