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    Image of schlegs84 schlegs84
    04:56 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    I kinda want to cry for these actors. With all the rejection, it's so wonderful to be cast (even in a non-speaking/singing role) and then to be fired? Because you're not "hot" enough? I want to give them all a hug.
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    Edited by schlegs84 at 12/09/09 4:58 PM schlegs84 was starred schlegs84 was unstarred
    Image of EarlyGrey EarlyGrey
    04:50 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    I'm not saying I agree with Miuccia, but I don't think the issue is not being able to design for non-model bodies. It's an issue of not wanting her designs promoted by non-model bodies (which they certainly would have been, since I'm sure the Met Opera is considering this a PR move partnership). As a publicist, one of the not so fun aspects of my job is the constant reinforcement that every high end brand wants to only be associated with "high end people" - who are inevitably thin.
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    NellMood promoted this comment Edited by EarlyGrey at 12/09/09 4:52 PM EarlyGrey was starred EarlyGrey was unstarred
    Image of NellMood NellMood
    04:52 PM

    @EarlyGrey: But surely the stars of the opera won't all have model-thin bodies? She's going to have to make adjustments for them, so I don't really understand why she's upset about the extras.
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    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    04:39 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    To be able to only dress one set of measurements? EPIC DESIGNER FAIL! To think, I am a much better costume designer than Prada! Ha ha up your(size 0)s, Miuccia!

    Edited to add: seems to me it would have been much easier to re-cast the costume designer than all the actors. The CDs JOB is to dress the actors to reveal character, and suit the STORY and the creative vision of the opera. I am ashamed of the Met that they agreed to this. FAIL FAIL FAIL. Ugh, this enrages me as an actress and a CD.
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    Edited by BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) at 12/09/09 4:42 PM BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) was starred BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) was unstarred
    Image of nerdycellist nerdycellist
    04:48 PM

    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): The more I look at it, the more I think she had a bunch of mass-produced costumes and got caught having slacked off. The Met should have called her on her Bartleby bullshit and made her design for non-sample size bodies.
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    BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) promoted this comment nerdycellist was starred nerdycellist was unstarred
    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    04:50 PM

    @nerdycellist: Yes, which is, again, fail all 'round.
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    BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) was starred BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) was unstarred
    Image of sweet_communist sweet_communist
    04:32 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    Ex-communist? Sellout.
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    NellMood promoted this comment sweet_communist was starred sweet_communist was unstarred
    Image of taranwanderer taranwanderer
    04:35 PM

    @sweet_communist: hearted.
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    Image of TheFormerJuneBronson TheFormerJuneBronson
    04:29 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    She must not be half the designer she's reputed to be if she can't work with other than walking hangers in her chosen profession.
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    TheFormerJuneBronson was starred TheFormerJuneBronson was unstarred
    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    04:28 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    You know, I could become a costumer! I am aware of boobs, butts and bellies! I am not morally opposed to my fellow fatties wearing things!

    Hire ME!
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    Image of PilgrimSoul PilgrimSoul
    04:29 PM

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: You are a crime against intellectual fashion, you.
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    04:32 PM

    @PilgrimSoul: If believing that people over a size six should wear pants when in public is wrong, then I don't want to be right!

    I also believe that people under a size six should wear pants in public. Really, all y'all need to wear pants in public.
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    Zombie Ms. Skittles was starred Zombie Ms. Skittles was unstarred
    Image of keldo keldo
    04:27 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    Miuccias gracias para nada, Prada.
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    keldo was starred keldo was unstarred
    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    04:19 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    This whole thing just feels like she wants a second runway show, except with singing. I have a semi-secret dream of being an opera singer, so this shit really just makes me sad.
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    Image of Blodwynn Blodwynn
    04:15 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    This is ridiculous. Opera - not just one put out by the Met, but any opera- is a demanding art form. People spend their entire lives working and developing themselves so that they may perform entire repertoires of certain composers adeptly and beautifully, and build their entire lives around the art form. For any company - from a local troupe to the Met- to fire trained and skilled performers and hire people who most likely have no knowledge of the art is appalling and disgusting. And for any designer to refuse to dress someone is equally appalling. Your job is to dress people- everyone needs clothes. For you to feel the need to take it upon yourself to dictate how a show is being run is obscene and insulting.
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    Alys Brangwin has a huge talent promoted this comment Blodwynn was starred Blodwynn was unstarred
    Image of AndPreciousLittleofThat AndPreciousLittleofThat
    04:15 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    How fucking lazy. Prada is known around the world precisely because of their attention to detail and their insistence that everything be exactly right.

    It's sad to see they've bought into the bullshit "clothes shouldn't fit the person, the person should fit the clothes" line.
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    AndPreciousLittleofThat was starred AndPreciousLittleofThat was unstarred
    Image of PilgrimSoul PilgrimSoul
    04:14 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    Also, Jenna... ugh, I know we have very different views of the industry, but I don't know that a woman who would never fit in Prada clothing (i.e. the vast majority of women) would find this surprising at all.
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    PilgrimSoul was starred PilgrimSoul was unstarred
    Image of Penny Penny
    04:20 PM

    @PilgrimSoul: I find it surprising because one would think that her appreciation for the art of opera would trump the lame fashionisms she seems to have adopted. I do not believe every designer would have responded in such a way.
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    Penny was starred Penny was unstarred
    Image of TakeADeepBreath TakeADeepBreath
    04:27 PM

    @Penny: Those were my thoughts exactly. It seems to me that having "model" extras would completely change the look and feel of the actual opera.
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    Image of tallgirl-in-heels tallgirl-in-heels
    04:33 PM

    @Penny: I'm surprised, too, because although there have been weight controversies in the opera world, it still seems like a forum where larger-than-model-sized bodies are not uncommon. Why agree to costume an opera in the first place if you can't deal with non-model body types? If she wanted to costume only very thin women she should have hooked up with the ABT or NYC Ballet.
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    HistoricUpstart promoted this comment tallgirl-in-heels was starred tallgirl-in-heels was unstarred
    Image of keldo keldo
    04:13 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    What in the world is the big friggin deal about designing for a larger body? Is it because she CAN'T or WON'T do it?

    Either way: boo hiss.
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    Image of VirginiaDentata VirginiaDentata
    04:27 PM

    @keldo: I think it's both: can't do it, and won't learn to.
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    Edited by VirginiaDentata at 12/09/09 4:27 PM VirginiaDentata was starred VirginiaDentata was unstarred
    Image of TakeADeepBreath TakeADeepBreath
    04:12 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    Jesus. How boring would an Opera be with a bunch of stone faced models on stage?

    If you want a uniform, cookie cutter look on your runway, that's on you, but please do not force it on the arts.
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    TakeADeepBreath was starred TakeADeepBreath was unstarred
    Image of bluebears bluebears
    04:12 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    I agree Prada appears to be a highly educated and intelligent woman but I never felt that her name and label was somehow less materialistic and inclusive then other fashion brands. I'm curious why you attributed that to her?
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    Image of LazyHippo LazyHippo
    04:15 PM

    @bluebears: Did you even know that she existed? I had no idea until 5 minutes ago that there was a living person behind the name 'Prada'.
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    AndPreciousLittleofThat promoted this comment LazyHippo was starred LazyHippo was unstarred
    Image of AndPreciousLittleofThat AndPreciousLittleofThat
    04:25 PM

    @LazyHippo: Then you're gonna be real surprised to learn that Dolce & Gabbana aren't a law firm.
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    AndPreciousLittleofThat was starred AndPreciousLittleofThat was unstarred
    Image of LazyHippo LazyHippo
    04:27 PM

    @AndPreciousLittleofThat: Ha. I had never seen anything about her and assumed that like Gucci or Balenciaga the eponymous owner/founder was long gone.
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    Edited by LazyHippo at 12/09/09 4:28 PM LazyHippo was starred LazyHippo was unstarred
    Image of sara-without-an-h sara-without-an-h
    04:11 PM

    In reply to "Real" Women Have Curves; Miuccia Prada Wants Models
    This story is horrid, but let's remember that Deborah Voigt, the lead soprano of a Covent Garden production, was fired because the costume designer couldn't make his "concept" work around her girth. SHe then got gastric bypass!!!! And she was the main singer!!!
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    04:15 PM

    @sara-without-an-h: I remember that. Wasn't it the director who decided that instead of the traditional costume which would have fit, he wanted a particular slinky black dress which wouldn't?
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    Zombie Ms. Skittles was starred Zombie Ms. Skittles was unstarred
    Image of sara-without-an-h sara-without-an-h
    04:34 PM

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Yup. I saw her production of Salomé after the bypass and her voice had definitely suffered from the brutal weight loss, although it couldhave been a bad night.
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    sara-without-an-h was starred sara-without-an-h was unstarred
    Image of Blodwynn Blodwynn
    04:46 PM

    @sara-without-an-h: I've heard her too, and I agree that her voice suffered. The same could be sad for Callas too. :/

    Well, you know what world? Me and my plus size frame are staying right (or damn close) to where they are. I quite like my high Soprano voice the way it is thank you very much. Same for the body.
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    sara-without-an-h promoted this comment Blodwynn was starred Blodwynn was unstarred
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