I don't understand why everyone calls movies like this "female wish fulfillment." Having an affair with your ex-husband at age 50 doesn't sound like wish fulfillment to me. Plus, this kinda shit happens all the time. Your bf/husband leaves you for someone, and later wants to rekindle the relationship. Big deal. Nothing "fantasy" or "unbelievable" about it.
50-year-old women have sex lives and social drama. This is seriously not some great ideal that none of us could ever hope to reach.
I'm hoping to go see this movie with a guy I like, who really loves Alec Baldwin. I'm tricking him into going to a movie with me by volunteering to be the woman he's with that makes it acceptable for him to buy a ticket for this movie. [Insert evil laughter here.]
while this edition of "Over 40 Rock" sounds snoozy, even hammy meryl streep is worth watching.
also, is "older people"-getting-high in movies ever really funny? their reactions are always excruciatingly overwrought. then again, i'm in the school of lay in bed, eat, drool, repeat.
God forbid middle-aged women have their own fantasies come to life on screen just once (soooo unrealistic!) when John Travolta, Denzel Washington and Stephen Seagal could be blowing stuff up and pretending they can sprint.
@Treeless: I was so going to comment that yeah, and most mainstream action movie and thrillers are just unrealistic stories about getting revenge against some generic goons who've threatened your family in some way so male viewers can feel like they're vicariously tough or something, but you caught the essence more succinctly!
The older I get the more I dislike the belittlement of common human behavior purely because it happens to older people. The same hijinx ensue, you just look older while you make an idiot of yourself.
critics complained that It's Complicated is just an unrealistic "fem fantasy" about conspicuous consumption and revenge against philandering husbands.
Is this a serious complaint? Just because the movie stars Meryl Streep, it doesn't mean that it needs to be a searingly realistic commentary of the sad, sad plight of the poor middle-aged divorcees. How dare Nancy Meyers come up with this piece of rose-tinted escapist drivel!
It's like critics complaining that the Transformers films are just unrealistic teenage boy fantasies about big metal toys and winning the hot girl. Well...yes. That's what it was made to be.
@quitelikely: I was thinking something similar. It's not very funny, the characters are not always likable... those are perfectly legitimate criticisms of the film. But "it's an unrealistic fem fantasy" just strikes me as a sort of toothless criticism of a comedy.
@quitelikely: The men are afraid, don't you know? After divorce women are supposed to crawl away broke, depressed, unsuccessful and never darken their door again.
@Dodgergirl: Well lord knows movies are never male fantasies about conspicuous consumption, gratuitous violence, pornographic sex or nerdy guys looked down on by all those girls in high school getting their revenge on those bitches!
didn't love it, but oh my god! the box of acceptable female behavior is small, ladies. if you're successful and buy stuff for yourself, that, apparently, is now bad. baldwin's character is the one actually cheating, but the reviewers pillory streep's character more. then, they don't like her because she likes him. oh, and she has personal problems -- how awful. she likes to decorate her house in a pleasing fashion -- what a selfish shrew. people like her and want to sleep with her -- fantasy! how dare a successful female director make a movie that is a female fantasy. men never do that, right? seriously... there is nothing a lady person can do that won't be excoriated. like i said, i didn't love the movie but the reason i didn't love it is it needs way more jokes. as far as successful older women buying nice shit for themselves and being successful and stupid and doing bad things -- i'm all for it.
If this is the live-action edition of Martha Stewart Living, I want to know how I missed the animated Martha Stewart Living. Or is the whole thing just really detailed claymation?
Man, these tabloids have no limits. No shame. Seeing as her father cheated on her mother and caused the family to break up, I'm sure she never said that.
@femme-feminista: Cheating is completely different from an open relationship-- the former is a betrayal, the latter is not. So she may very well have said it (or equally likely not...).
Hmmm. I have a feeling that a lot more people are going to flock to my "I Hate Glee" banner now. Maaaaarvelous. I am happy to be the General of that Army.
@LaComtesse: I have converted.. I used to hate it, but I watched an episode tonight wherein a boy did the single ladies dance while they played Beyonce during a football game.. and then he kicked a field goal. I'm not gonna lie. I was real pleased.
Is it possible that whole interview was kind of sarcastic and ironic or something? Because he was asking him weird questions about his sexuality and such...I refuse to believe he's that much of a douche, or if he was, that he would be so open about it. I think he was being facetious. Or so I will tell myself, because I have to have sex with him.
@lalaland13: It's possible that the interviewer is not a very good one and asked a bunch of assy, ASSY questions, and sometimes when confronted with that sort of shit, people come up with an answer half startled and half in the pursuit of "this is nuts, please GTFO ASAP". Someone else on the interweb was all WTF over how the interviewer just assumed MM is gay, didn't even ask, just assumed... which I find really odd too.
In short, I'm living in the land of plausible deniability/lalalalala I can't hear you/what interview? (at least til I go home and get my copy of Elle, I can't believe I didn't know this was in it -- I bought it for Gaga) because, um, yeah.
@LBB: Elle put up part of it on the Web site, and damn that interviewer, Andrew Goldman, has always seemed to pride himself on "quirky" questions that often cross into "hey you're being an asshole."
I can see MM thinking "Well fuck this guy isn't taking it seriously so why should I?" I don't know. The gay stuff seemed rather tongue-in-check, maybe. I have a feeling this might have played better on The Daily Show rather than in print, and the interviewer was doing a poor Jon Stewart impersonation. Not sure what to make of the Tiffani-Amber Thiessen comment, but the "Thank you very much for that" could be "WTF you dick."
It doesn't look great, but I'm not sure if the Magic 8 Ball of Douchiness has spoken once and for all on this.
@lalaland13: I'll report back after I read the whole thing. (In some evil Festivus reverse miracle, interweb fandom has failed me for the first time, by not having the whole thing up anywhere.)
@lalaland13: All righty, I'm back, magazine in hand. Reading the entire thing (there's not very much more than what's online, it's a single page) I get the sense that the interviewer was trying to push buttons/be funny/be an ass/whatever. The remaining info seems to be that MM's dad, a nurse, made him scared of sex by showing him pics of STDs and he felt bad the first few times he did it. So, YMMV, but my Magic 8-Ball of Douchetasticity still says "Answer Cloudy, Try Again Later".
How many Jezzies are there? If there are 10,000 of us and we each threw in $1000, we could buy Cher's Hawai'i house and just use it as our Jezebel retreat home. It could function kind of like a hotel but we'd just call it a time share.
@memphreblues: Considering her d-bag husband cut their other source of income and also has no way of paying his child support payments, it's pretty sucky for her.
That ENTIRE line of questioning from the Elle reporter is douchey. WTF.
(That said, I know I'm supposed to be offended by his answer on behalf of all of womanity or something, but the only response my brain can come up with is "...call me!")
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50-year-old women have sex lives and social drama. This is seriously not some great ideal that none of us could ever hope to reach.
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He's just so . . . tan. No, not tan. More like he has been buttered and roasted at 350 degrees for several hours- he's golden brown.
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also, is "older people"-getting-high in movies ever really funny? their reactions are always excruciatingly overwrought. then again, i'm in the school of lay in bed, eat, drool, repeat.
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Is this a serious complaint? Just because the movie stars Meryl Streep, it doesn't mean that it needs to be a searingly realistic commentary of the sad, sad plight of the poor middle-aged divorcees. How dare Nancy Meyers come up with this piece of rose-tinted escapist drivel!
It's like critics complaining that the Transformers films are just unrealistic teenage boy fantasies about big metal toys and winning the hot girl. Well...yes. That's what it was made to be.
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When do we track the interviewer down and brand a number onto THAT forehead?
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In short, I'm living in the land of plausible deniability/lalalalala I can't hear you/what interview? (at least til I go home and get my copy of Elle, I can't believe I didn't know this was in it -- I bought it for Gaga) because, um, yeah.
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I can see MM thinking "Well fuck this guy isn't taking it seriously so why should I?" I don't know. The gay stuff seemed rather tongue-in-check, maybe. I have a feeling this might have played better on The Daily Show rather than in print, and the interviewer was doing a poor Jon Stewart impersonation. Not sure what to make of the Tiffani-Amber Thiessen comment, but the "Thank you very much for that" could be "WTF you dick."
It doesn't look great, but I'm not sure if the Magic 8 Ball of Douchiness has spoken once and for all on this.
[www.elle.com]
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That's feasible, right?
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Also, I feel bad for Kate. She has eight kids! If I was just cut from my source of income, I'd be sick with worry...
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My thought: "Seriously, World?! You don't have anything more important to have your say about?!"
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(That said, I know I'm supposed to be offended by his answer on behalf of all of womanity or something, but the only response my brain can come up with is "...call me!")