The article enraged me, and the responses across the Internet both gladdened and saddened me. I enjoyed the debate that raged over the article's content and condescending, insulting remarks about "obese mannequins" etc. But the fact that many arguers felt the need to resort to comments like "You're a horse-faced crack whore" or "Your feet smell" (what was that reference to middle-schoolers?) is a sad reflection of the state of cultural discourse in our society. How's THAT for a thumpingly pretentious statement?
Here's the crazy thing, though- I'm probably going to stop by JCP this weekend when I'm out back--to-school shopping, as a direct result of all the broo-ha-ha. This 'inbetweenie' is all about scooping up some reasonably priced work-clothes.
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@OK_NiceLegs (formerly: thevickinator): I placed an order last night - I had no idea, but they carry my favorite Levi's line (518 Superlow) and I'm pretty psyched to find them in a wash I like.
Um..just so you all know- a coworker and I went to Penneys today for our UNIFORM ALLOWANCES and looked oh so carefully- NO size 18 to be had and no polyester anywhere that we could find.
This is one of the smartest pieces of writing about the dynamics of the internet I've ever read.
I've trashed and been trashed by a few people on the internet in my day and will probably continue to do so because some days I am blowing off steam and only half paying attention to what I am saying and other days people are just being assholes. But you know, the longer I engage in all these little blogdramas and whatnot, the more I think to myself: good Christ, I wish we'd just all be a tiny bit more forgiving of each other. Ironic coming from me, you know, but honestly, the swift on-the-attack position is not just psychically draining for the attacked; it isn't all that cathartic for the attacker, most of the time, either.
You know, I'm still pissed at the whole thing. Call me a twunt (if you really can't be more clever) but the entire thing was crap from start to finish. And the fact that some internet commenters decided to, I don't know, hurt her feelings doesn't resonate with me.
She didn't get it, which means she's not as smart as she previously seemed. And it was the smart writing that bore weight, if you'll excuse the pun.
ETA: Easy for me to say, not having gone to her website at all.
@labeled: "And the fact that some internet commenters decided to, I don't know, hurt her feelings doesn't resonate with me."
There's a difference between 'hurting someone's feelings' and resorting to exactly the same kind of base attacks that angered you in the first place. Having not gone to her website, you won't realise that many commentors critiqued the woman and not the argument. Comments about the size of her forehead (one mentioned being able to fit several "size 18" Jezebel asses on it), how hideously ugly she is, and how she needs to eat some pizza and then vomit it back up were rife - more reasoned criticisms were definitely in the minority.
This isn't about it 'hurting her feelings'. It's about the fact that you can't take the moral highground if you're going to be a hypocrite while doing so.
Some of the comments left on Wilson's website were truly despicable, even terrifying. As someone who counted herself among those who thought Wilson's piece was spectacularly ill-judged, I was genuinely ashamed of them.
It disturbs me how evil people can be when there's a measure of geographical and technological space between them, whether it's Wilson's sneering dismissal of people who don't look like she thinks they ought, or the people who responded to her with such unmitigated viciousness. It can really wound. People often brush it off, saying "It's just an article," or "It's just the internet; what do you expect?". But shit, man. That stuff can and does hurt people. As Sadie elegantly put it, every single voice has power. Not just Wilson's, but ours, too. Yours. I hope to fuck I remember to be gentler with the world than some of the examples we've seen in the last few days.
I can never forgive Cintra Wilson, because she called me fat and my entire concept of self worth is based around other people's perception of my weight.
Could we put a moratorium on calling every single person who doesn't live in NYC, LA, or San Fran "Middle America"? Fail, NY Mag.
It's like Wilson - and the media outlets backing her - are like "Fine fatties, we'll back off, but only because you're SO unsophisticated and gauche that you can't take a joke!"
I love internet scandals. We can climb up to the highest jagged peaks of our molehills, and when the air clears, you get the most amazing view of how nothing ever changes.
@rednrowdy: Cute scandals. And don't worry, my mind has already wandered home for the weekend. I'm now at the part of the day that I like to refer to as "staring at the computer screen like a lobotomy patient."
because cheap shots aren't funny, because it's incredibly depressing to see certain forms of discrimination continue to go unchallenged — and because we expect more from smart writers.
Exactly. I really liked her writing (and even bought her book) and was kind of pissed off about the basic tone of the review was: well, Penny's is mediocre but it's good enough for plus sized people.
It was a culturally tone death piece. And I am actually happy that one thing about publishing online is that people won't just stew over an WSJ or Times article on the train. They'll blog about. They'll comment. They'll speak out. Oddly enough, the feedback and the veracity of honest to God criticism restored my faith that we're not going to sit idly by and let someone be offensive for the sake of meeting a deadline.
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I've trashed and been trashed by a few people on the internet in my day and will probably continue to do so because some days I am blowing off steam and only half paying attention to what I am saying and other days people are just being assholes. But you know, the longer I engage in all these little blogdramas and whatnot, the more I think to myself: good Christ, I wish we'd just all be a tiny bit more forgiving of each other. Ironic coming from me, you know, but honestly, the swift on-the-attack position is not just psychically draining for the attacked; it isn't all that cathartic for the attacker, most of the time, either.
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She didn't get it, which means she's not as smart as she previously seemed. And it was the smart writing that bore weight, if you'll excuse the pun.
ETA: Easy for me to say, not having gone to her website at all.
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There's a difference between 'hurting someone's feelings' and resorting to exactly the same kind of base attacks that angered you in the first place. Having not gone to her website, you won't realise that many commentors critiqued the woman and not the argument. Comments about the size of her forehead (one mentioned being able to fit several "size 18" Jezebel asses on it), how hideously ugly she is, and how she needs to eat some pizza and then vomit it back up were rife - more reasoned criticisms were definitely in the minority.
This isn't about it 'hurting her feelings'. It's about the fact that you can't take the moral highground if you're going to be a hypocrite while doing so.
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It disturbs me how evil people can be when there's a measure of geographical and technological space between them, whether it's Wilson's sneering dismissal of people who don't look like she thinks they ought, or the people who responded to her with such unmitigated viciousness. It can really wound. People often brush it off, saying "It's just an article," or "It's just the internet; what do you expect?". But shit, man. That stuff can and does hurt people. As Sadie elegantly put it, every single voice has power. Not just Wilson's, but ours, too. Yours. I hope to fuck I remember to be gentler with the world than some of the examples we've seen in the last few days.
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It's like Wilson - and the media outlets backing her - are like "Fine fatties, we'll back off, but only because you're SO unsophisticated and gauche that you can't take a joke!"
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Exactly. I really liked her writing (and even bought her book) and was kind of pissed off about the basic tone of the review was: well, Penny's is mediocre but it's good enough for plus sized people.
It was a culturally tone death piece. And I am actually happy that one thing about publishing online is that people won't just stew over an WSJ or Times article on the train. They'll blog about. They'll comment. They'll speak out. Oddly enough, the feedback and the veracity of honest to God criticism restored my faith that we're not going to sit idly by and let someone be offensive for the sake of meeting a deadline.
The Internet: Serious Business.
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