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10/30/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
If you are going to lie after the fact, you should have lied straight up in the beginning. Drugs" What drugs? Deny everything.
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graceless
10/30/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
Let's remember what we told people, shall we? Flack seed oil.
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Cam/ron
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
Jones's eyes often turned rightward down, which is usually a physical sign that a speaker is lying.
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PhillyLass
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
Applying the inflection of a question to a statement of one's innocence is a pretty solid indicator of guilt.
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Liz11685
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
Tracie, thank you for watching Oprah so I don't have to. It keeps me up on the small talk kind of knowledge I need to interact with middle aged ladies when at my serving job. I now know about Celine Dion's son's hair and Marion Jones' crazy steroid flaxseed oil. I'm set for the weekend. (And any small talk with my boyfriend's mother- she sometimes brings these things up)
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ceejeemcbeegee is not here
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
My cousin used to run against (and consistently come in second to) Marion in high school and college. So yeah, she feels a little better about all those 2nd place medals and trophys on her shelf.
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PhillyLass
10/29/08

@ceejeemcbeegee: She should take them to a trophy shop and have the engraving redone. =)
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AbJams
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
The people who I really feel bad for are the women who ran the relay with her and have to give back THEIR medals. I can't imagine how it would feel to work and train so hard, and then lose your medals because someone else lied.
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bluebears
10/29/08

@AbJams: Not to mention the women who lost their spot on the US Olympic Team to her. Or the athletes who lost the chance to run in the final heat because they were scheduled to run in the same early heats as her. Doping has wide range consequences.
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velvet.fistfull of love
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
The prevalence of steroid use in competative sports is staggering. Many of the athletes who chose to do steroids, or are willfully ignorant of what their trainers administer to them, do not get caught as there are any number of ways to get around the tests. With the focus solely on winning, and with the implication that your competitors also are already juiced, no wonder it is difficult for many athletes to resist. I don't blame Marion Jones, but the mentality that is drilled into these athletes from all sides to win at any cost, and those that facilitate them to do so.
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Shiva-Shakti
10/29/08

@velvet.fistfull of love: A lot of drug addicts and alcoholics have trouble resisting too, but neither the justice system or my mom just doesn't (and shouldn't, IMHO) accept "everyone else was doing it, why can't I?" argument. I'm sorry, but that is a very immature excuse that carries absolutely no weight whatsoever. If you are an adult, you accept responsibility for the mistakes you make, learn from them, and stop making them.
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bluebears
10/29/08

@Shiva-Shakti: not to mention the fact that there are many athletes who are clean. the "everyone's doing it" statement is unfair to the people actually playing by the rules.
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amenfro
10/29/08

@velvet.fistfull of love: The culture sets up perverse incentive systems for athletes.

But personal responsibility is key. Don't take drugs. And if you do, don't lie about it. Period.

Also, these people are role models for kids.
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HidingInCanada
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
lying = a sin

lying to Oprah = a mortal sin

lying to Oprah with a smile on your face = one way ticket to purgatory.
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bluebears
10/29/08

@HidingInCanada: seriously. i would be so terrified to lie to oprah!
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jemandtheholograms
10/29/08

@HidingInCanada: I was kind of surprised Oprah didn't tear her a new one ala James Frey.
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brendastarlet is on it
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
oh, and does she have a new book coming out, by any chance?
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t-yo3
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
Either she was dumb not to get more information about what she was being given to put in her body, or she's dumb to keep lying about it. Either way, she's dumb.

I went to school with her husband, and I remember when it came out, kinda out of the blue, that they were getting married and expecting a baby, people really felt that his reputation was tarnished by virtue of his association with her (him being an Olympic sprinter also).

And her ex-husband/ex-boyfriend just keeps getting into more shit. The whole thing is just a damn shame.
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ae38
10/29/08

@titilayo: ?? She never married her first sons father; her first husband was a track coach at Chapel Hill. Also, all the men she has been with (former husband, baby's father) have come to confess to steroid use via BALCO.
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t-yo3
10/29/08

@ae38: I mean her current husband, Obadele Thompson. As far as I know he hasn't confessed to any kind of steroid use.

And I wasn't sure if she was married to Tim Montgomery or not -- that's why I put ex-husband/ex-boyfriend.
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bluebears
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
ugh. she is without shame. and it's STILL everyone's elses fault beside her own. its not like she is required to go to the public and beg forgiveness but to she chose to speak publicly to Oprah and then to just blatantly lie? unbelievable.
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bluebears
10/29/08

@bluebears: please forgive horrible writing, i guess i'm tired.
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descent
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
Eh, I have a hard time with this. She used steroids and lied about it. Like so many male athletes before her. And yet she ends up in prison.
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anonymiss
10/29/08

@descent: yea seriously, a few dudes in the NFL just tested positive and they still got to play in their games that week. it always seems that women get made examples.
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bluebears
10/29/08

@anonymiss: she didn't go to jail either after her samples turned up dirty. It was about 3 years of constant lying under oath that did it. Oh and like CassetteLove said, the check fraud.
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anonymiss
10/29/08

@bluebears: i just really dont think lying about using roids is worth jail time, and if some athletes get time, they all should, just like if some dont, then none should.
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bluebears
10/29/08

@anonymiss: there has to be consequences for lying under oath. no matter what you're lying about. if testifying under oath doesn't mean anything our entire justice system, civil and criminal are seriously compromised.
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Sukie in the Graveyard
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
Oh, sure. You are gonna take something called The Clear and not read the information about it? YOU ARE PUTTING THIS IN YOUR BODY!

You might as well eat a croissant-wich from Burger King. It will do just as much damage to an athlete without being illegal.
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Sukie in the Graveyard
10/29/08

@Sukie in the Graveyard: oh, and I fully don't believe her - professional athletes just don't do that. Dumb.
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bluebears
10/29/08

@Sukie in the Graveyard: no. that whole story was ridiculous.
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amenfro
10/29/08

@Sukie in the Graveyard: I don't think there was any information on it. Since it's illegal, there's probably nothing to read and no handy FDA labels.

Which, in itself, is enough to make you want to say no.
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anonymiss
10/29/08

In reply to Oprah: Is Marion Jones Not Coming Clean About Her Steroid Use?
does everyone know for sure shes lying? how would you know? im not snarking, just asking, because i feel like im missing some part of hte case that makes everyone so sure shes lying.
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The Queen of No
10/29/08

@anonymiss: Maybe it's that she forgot the name of the supplement that she was so sure she was taking? That seems like a pretty big giveaway.
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bluebears
10/29/08

@anonymiss: not to mention the testimony of several other people that completely contradicts what she just sat there and told oprah. I don't know what their motivation would be to lie as it got them professionally disciplined/sent to jail/ruined career as well.
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amenfro
10/29/08

@anonymiss: @bluebears: I don't know if she's lying, but it certainly sounds like it.

That said, there is a reason why other people would lie while testifying - if offered a deal for a lesser sentence or no jail time, I suspect some people would lie or at least exaggerate what they know about others' use.
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Jack_Burton
10/30/08

@anonymiss: She admitted to lying Fed investigators. That's not under dispute. What's under dispute is that she willfully took the juice. I wathced the whole interview while eating dinner on TV. It sure sounded like she knew and has remorse, even though her words were carefully chosen.

And, damn, she's beautiful... What talent, what a waste.
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