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dj_chick
08/06/09

In reply to Doonan Jumps To Ed Hardy's Defense; Smell Like Kate Moss For Fall
I must admit... there was a time when I liked Ed Hardy (and *gasp* Affliction). I used to really like the designs, until I started to notice who was wearing them. That fixed that.
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
08/06/09

@dj_chick: I still kind of like them on say, a scarf or a handbag. I don't think anyone needs to be wearing a giant tiger tattoo shirt though. Ever.
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Eleanor Ramilly
08/06/09

In reply to Doonan Jumps To Ed Hardy's Defense; Smell Like Kate Moss For Fall
I'm jealous of the Phillip Lim shoppers for two reasons:

1. They got style advice from one of my favorite designers
2. They can actually afford his clothing

Bastards.
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nyc-caribbean-ragazza
08/06/09

In reply to Doonan Jumps To Ed Hardy's Defense; Smell Like Kate Moss For Fall
I love Simon but call BS. To compare Hardy and Versace is ridiculous. Even at his most rococo, Gianni never made a shirt that looked like twenty people threw up on it.
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I, Zombie Normal
08/06/09

In reply to Doonan Jumps To Ed Hardy's Defense; Smell Like Kate Moss For Fall
Yes, Simon, Jon Gosselin is totally thinking, when he dons his Ed Hardy gear, "I'll never be the darling of the so called 'City Fathers' who cluck their tongues and stroke their beards and talk about 'What's to do with Jon Gosselin?' This will show them, this awesome bedazzled tshirt covered in disco tigers and esprit de crap. Take that, arbiters of style. Now where are my hooge diamond earrings?"
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Eleanor Ramilly
08/06/09

In reply to Doonan Jumps To Ed Hardy's Defense; Smell Like Kate Moss For Fall
Of course it's cheesy! That's the whole point!

Yeah, even if I believed that, I don't think people like Jon Gosselin are in on the joke. They think it's edgy. So DUH right back atcha!
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NefariousNewt
08/06/09

@Eleanor Ramilly: That, and just because a thing is "cheesy," doesn't mean we have to like it.
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I, Zombie Normal
08/06/09

@NefariousNewt: I'm offended on behalf of cheese.
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hortense
08/06/09

In reply to Doonan Jumps To Ed Hardy's Defense; Smell Like Kate Moss For Fall
Oh Simon, really? Do you really think Jon Gosselin puts on those tiger shirts and thinks, "Oh, what a delightful way to put up a middle finger at the elitist doo doo heads who frown upon such garish fashions!"
I think not. I'm pretty sure he actually believes wearing a tiger makes him look super badass and tough.
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bluebears
08/06/09

@hortense: at this point I'm wondering if he's getting paid for wearing the product because he keeps turning up in pap shots wearing it. pretty smart advertising.
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Eleanor Ramilly
08/06/09

@hortense: Yeah, didn't see your post before I put mine up, but I agree. Also, I'm not sure I buy what they're selling. I don't think that's the intention of the clothes at all.
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NefariousNewt
08/06/09

@bluebears: He is the latest thing. But he doesn't want to be. He said so himself.
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bluebears
08/06/09

@NefariousNewt: he just wants to be left alone to spend time with his kids!!!!!
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I, Zombie Normal
08/06/09

@hortense: Aw, I gotta refresh more, but yes, assuming this so-called fashion really is a wink and a nod to the greater patterns of being, those not in on the joke still look silly and not at all badass. At least it's an easy way to say, "Hey, we're never gonna hang out."
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wordinedgewise
08/06/09

@hortense: Ed Hardy shirts are the adult male equivalent of Lisa Frank trapperkeepers.
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SouthernSatine
08/06/09

@wordinedgewise: Except those are amazing.
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nothing_new
08/06/09

In reply to Doonan Jumps To Ed Hardy's Defense; Smell Like Kate Moss For Fall
I always imagined Kate Moss to smell like cigarettes, beer, dirt, and sweat. Considering that smelling like Kate Moss isn't for me.
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momentsofabsurdity
06/18/09

In reply to Mainstream Media Addresses Plus-Size Fashion Issue
I'm confused? A size 8 doesn't fit into mainstream denim lines?

I'm probably an 7/8 and I fit fine in mainstream lines! Does she mean high fashion?
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momentsofabsurdity
06/18/09

@momentsofabsurdity: Standard disclaimer: I didn't mean to say I was healthy and anyone else was unhealthy. I was just pointing out that I wear a 7/8 (though with jeans sizing, I really have no idea -- I've worn a 2 and a 12 and both fit still) and mainstream denim fits it just fine. So does high fashion, come to think of it. I have True Religions that fit okay, and some Rock and Republics that are fine.
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Cassandra Says
06/18/09

@momentsofabsurdity: I said this above already but I think it's a shape thing. An 8 or a 10, maybe even a 12, who're proportionally narrow of hip and small of ass typically won't have much problem finding premium denim to fit. A woman who's more pear shaped, all kinds of problems finding jeans that fit, at any size.
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momentsofabsurdity
06/18/09

@Cassandra Says: That's true. I've got some junk in my trunk, but I'm sure if I had a bigger butt I'd be harder to fit. My body is overall proportional which makes clothes pretty easy to find, but you're right - a larger butt/hips/thighs (but not altogether) would make things much more difficult to fit.
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londoner
06/18/09

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Is that lady in jeans in the middle photo above really what fashion is calling plus-size nowadays? Oh. my. god.
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
06/18/09

@londoner: Yeah, that's really troubling. Put Kate Moss in badly-cut, spandex-free jeans and that's how she'll look. Not cool.
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FontWhore (the Great Nubling Hope)
06/18/09

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I have come to the conclusion that there needs to be a revolution in sizing.

A lot of women have trouble because your waist is a 10 but your butt is a 14, or whatever. That's assuming you can find clothes you like in your size, of course. And THEN the sizes don't mean anything anyone, being as they are subject to creative inflation.

Why can't women's clothing be sized like men's? With measurements instead of arbitrary numbers. And to further improve it, clothes could come in different sizes in various "zones," like, pants would have butt and thigh measurements as well as waist and length.

I have this fantasy of a store where I could get clothing customized to fit my short legs, small but long waist, etc etc. And since I can't afford a tailor,a fantasy it will remain.
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MilointheMeadow
06/18/09

@FontWhore (sans nublings): OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY. Men's sizing makes WAY more sense! Sorry about all the caps but I've been thinking this for years.
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Norton
06/18/09

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Has everyone forgotten about applebottom jeans???!!!?

I actually haven't really seen them, I just love the name.
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momentsofabsurdity
06/18/09

@Norton: You have you wear them with the boots with the fur.
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tscheese
06/18/09

In reply to Mainstream Media Addresses Plus-Size Fashion Issue
"I've noticed lately that they are trying to make big sizes more into style," said Kathy Salinas, as she considered a zebra-striped Piper & Blue tunic

Here's another issue I have:

It seems like there have ALWAYS been plus-sized zebra-striped, or sequined, or spangled, or absurdly embroidered, or OMG CABBAGE-SIZED FLORAL PRINT-printed tunics. Some days it seems like that's all you can get at damn Lane Bryant or whatever.

However, the longer, tunic-like length is "in" currently, as well as empire waists, and forgiving knit garments, and maxi dresses.

Now, I don't love it; I like a more structured, skimming look. But I wonder if the blousy, elongated, figure-concealing juniors/misses styles are simply translating themselves into the stuff that plus sizes have ALWAYS had to endure--I wonder if that's why there's a sudden focus on "OH IT IS SO EASY* TO GET TRENDY PLUS SIZES NOW LOL".

I mean, a tunic that's meant to be oversized can fit a lot of different shapes and sizes. A stretchy knit dress can hang loosely on a small model and be more fitted on a larger model. Both garments will technically "fit" a range of sizes--which means that designers and manufacturers can throw size tags at the garments, sure, but they don't have to carefully look at rises, inseams, hems, or positioning of arm holes. It's not like the really unforgiving microfiber/midriff/ultra low rise stuff from late last decade.

It would really irk me if there was such a big brouhaha about OMG THERE ARE PLUS SIZES NOW LOL!!11 if it was just a flash in the pan based on today's hideous, figure-swallowing styles. I'm not sure if I'm making my point very well. It just seems like a cop-out for a designer to say "OKAY WE MADE THIS MASSIVE PONCHO FOR EVERYONE, THAT'S TOTALLY PLUS SIZE RITE!??! LOL".

*for extremely variable values of "easy"
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debo matar la zombi goldberry83
06/18/09

@tscheese: Yeah, it sort of smacks of "Ooh, ugly crap for all!" Sure, it may be somewhat easier to find something you can squeeze your tits into, but that doesn't mean it looks good, anymore than these bizarre styles look good on incredibly skinny people. Blargh.
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Aesop's Foibles. YES.
06/18/09

In reply to Mainstream Media Addresses Plus-Size Fashion Issue
Whenever this discussion comes up, I'm reminded of a Jennifer Weiner book in which the main character goes to "fat class", as she puts it. She's describing the outfit of another woman who's attending the class, and it goes something like, "beautiful, yes, and probably expensive, but playclothes. As if designers don't realize that fat women need business suits or dresses that fit etc." Not a quote there because I don't remember her exact words, but that description really seemed apt. I've noticed this same thing. And what bothers me most when I think about this issue is that, yeah, places like Lane Bryant do have nice clothes that fit some people really well, but...what if a woman wanted to drop two hundred bucks on a pair of COH or Sevens or Habituals? She, um, can't. Because they don't come in her size. So I guess my point is, high-end designers enjoy making money, right? And money is money no matter who is spending it, right? So given the fact that not everyone is a size whatever, but almost everyone would like wearing expensive, weel-made shit at some point or another, then why exclude? I'm no mogul or anything, but that seems like bad business. Doesn't it? Strictly from a businessy, bottom-line point of view? Or am I just being silly?

Blargh. People need to remove their heads from their asses. That's all I got.
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Eric Northman is mine
06/18/09

In reply to Mainstream Media Addresses Plus-Size Fashion Issue
The fat friend? Maybe Kate hangs out with her because she's a great musician and is fun to be around or they share similar interests and not that she's some sort of 'token chubby'. I don't know that i'm jaded enough to believe that people pick their friends based on their size/because it's trend. Sheesh!
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Lucille van Pelt
06/18/09

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Next they're going to start having auditions before you can buy certain clothing lines. Head shots required! No entry to the store without a declaration of your "hotness" by 3 employees of the designer.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
06/18/09

@Lucille van Pelt: I thought that was American Apparel.
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