For a long period of time I was working a full time job and sometimes an additional part time job and my husband was either a student or unemployed, so he did the majority of the housework when i wasn't home (when we were both working we basically shared it) and I admit, sometimes it was hard for me to let it go because it wasn't done just as I would do it. Particularly the dishes--they were always still dirty after they'd been washed. But when I really thought about why he sucked at dishes I realized that he had had a dishwasher his whole life before we got married and I never had! It was refreshing to know that it wasn't a man versus woman thing (I didn't want to believe that I was better at dishes by virtue of being a woman) but rather that he had just never had to do that task before and I had years of practice. Luckily I'm moving into a new apt with a dishwasher so our marriage will be saved! #housework
I don't think it's best to just give in to your SO's standard of cleanliness and come in behind him (or even her), fixing everything up to your standards. If you're going to live together you need to decide together what counts as a job properly done. After a few years of marriage where I felt increasingly frustrated and he fell into the "if you don't think it's good enough, you can do it" mindset, my husband and I sat down and hashed it all out. We seriously went room by room and decided what we together would consider a job well done. How often should the baseboards and fans be wiped down, what should be done in each room each week, all that stuff.
We both compromised, but he really had to compromise the most because he standards were awful. It took a while to establish the new guidelines. Like, he thought it was silly to add "wipe down the doors and light switches every other week" to the list of what should be done in each room. So I told him he was completely in charge of the bathrooms for three months. At the end of that time the baseboards, light switches, and area around the door handles were filthy. So he saw why that part of the job was important. He never knew it could get that way!
We don't have a set thing of who does what chore because our schedules are unpredictable and we need flexibility. But if one person says, "I'll clean the bathroom," we both know exactly what that means. #housework
@AnotherJenn: Light switches and door handles get super germtastic, especially in bathrooms and kitchens. The summer I cleaned hotels taught me infinite wisdom about what needs bleach spray. #housework
since housework is worth at least ten dollars an hour, no one who does housework on behalf of a domestic partner actually needs another job outside the house. if partner doesn't like this, he can hire someone to do the work at home at the going wage rate. until women refuse and say 'no deal' and go on strike nothing will ever, ever change. that's all. #housework
Does the desire to do these things perfectly arise the longer you do them? I certainly didn't give a crap about certain aspects of domesticity when I moved into my first apartment, but I'd be considered a model hostess these days. Granted, I'm single, and have never lived with anyone, so I've always done those things myself - but my care and joy in them came gradually, not as some innate part of my femininity. I've found this to be the case in guys as well - the longer they live alone, the more care they take. #housework
Has anyone else experienced the graduate school/laundry symbiosis? When I was in graduate school, doing the laundry just seemed to fit with studying: study for an hour, fold a load of laundry, move another load around, repeat. When my husband started law school, he took over doing the laundry, for the same reason. #housework
@Jill7: 110%. I mentioned in an earlier post that I think sometimes my boyfriend expects me to do more cleaning--not even necessarily consciously--because I'm home all day and he isn't. I certainly do the laundry a lot more often than he does. But this fails to account for the facts that a) doing a PhD isn't exactly a freaking party and b) I hate cleaning, and if I'm going to take a break from work it's going to be for a sneaky glimpse at The Hills or an impromptu dance around the house, not to scrub the damn toilet. For cleaning, I need the moral support of having the lad in the house too (and having given him a task!--yes, I do mastermind the cleaning, though he cooks, and makes a right mess of it too I might add). #housework
@Jill7: I am many years beyond graduate school and you can still tell when I am working on a big project by how clean the house is. Little tidying chores are the perfect break from work because they are tiny and finite. #housework
Although many seem to be quick to post about how skilled and exacting the males in their lives are with the laundry, how many of these fellows are responsible for the household laundry? When it is the girlfriend's/wife's/boyfriend's/kid's clothes do they have the same standards? #housework
@baboonbutt: We took turns in my apartment (we don't live together anymore, so it's just me and now I do 100% of it). He did a load, I did a load. Usually. There were times when shit got out of hand or I got too picky about something or he decided that he was going to wash everything in the damn place. #housework
@baboonbutt: I do my laundry, he does his. If he doesn't have a full load, then he tosses in some of my stuff as well and vice versa. We also always mention to the other - "Hey, I'm throwing in a load of laundry. Anything you need clean?" Easy. We don't have kids, but I'm sure we would just trade off depending on who was already throwing something in the wash.
This division is probably simplified by the fact that we have two separate closets and hampers, so our dirty laundry is naturally separate. #housework
@odinsraven: This is exactly how we do it. We both have smallish loads of whites so we do that as a shared load and most everything else is separate. #housework
@baboonbutt: I'm usually the one to start a load, but if we're both home and the dryer goes off, we usually both go into the laundry room and fold together. Same goes for unloading the dishwasher. Very rarely does one of us unload it all by ourselves. #housework
My problem isn't so much that my husband isn't domestic - we're pretty evenly matched in that department. What bugs me is that my mom is always 'joking' about how mean I am to my husband because I 'make' him do dishes and laundry. I think she's jealous because my dad has always been horribly lax about home stuff (I can't believe he hasn't died of ptomaine since he and my mom split up) and she resented doing the homey stuff.
Even though I know it's so much bullshit, I still feel really guilty when she makes comments like that. #housework
@NotMandatory: I was having drinks with some family friends and a similar comment pissed me off. I mentioned that my husband and I each do our own laundry. We mostly do this because we each know what needs washing, what can't be dried, etc. One of the guys said "Wow, nice teamwork," in a totally sarcastic, I must be a terrible wife type of way.
I was and still am pissed about this, both because of the guilt he tried to lay on me and because of the expectation that a good wife must do laundry and other supposed "wifely duties." #housework
My boyfriend is always like, astounded by how comfortable and pleasant it is in our apartment after we do some cleaning. Yet he just completely fails to connect that to behavioral changes like "we should clean regularly" or "we should make an effort to pick up after ourselves."
I hate always having to ask him to do his part because it makes me feel like a nag, and I hate always having to shoulder more of the burden, so basically it's an arms race to the squalid bottom which makes me annoyed and which he doesn't notice. #housework
@Fishbear: I am in the same boat. My boyfriend cooks, but he cooks like a bit of a showman, and he'll mess up every damn thing in the kitchen. Meanwhile, he loves when the house is clean, but HATES cleaning. I mean, what, do I love it? I loathe cleaning, but I do it, because otherwise it's gross. He doesn't notice if there are still crumbs on the kitchen counter, or if the toilet hasn't been scrubbed in a while, or if things are badly folded, whereas I do (and I'm NOT a neat freak). So of course, who winds up cleaning? I've been away for a few weeks and am pretty convinced I'll return to find things filthy.
The subtext to this, of course, is that I'm at home most of the time working on my PhD, while he goes to an office. So he comes home and doesn't want to clean, and I think on some level he resents that I'm home all day and he isn't, even though it's not as if I'm like, partying it up. I despise feeling like a nag, but I wind up nagging anyway. It sucks. #housework
@rah29: Get out of the house. Go to the library, go to starbucks, go to school. Do not sit at home all day if you hate it and you hate that it's making your husband resent you. If you work outside thehouse, even just part of the day, you're giving yourself an outside the house job. #housework
Actually, my dad is better at doing laundry than all of the women in my family combined. He's also amazing at bed making, vacuuming, and cooking, in addition to his ability to make our yard and pool look like they're taken care of by professionals. Maybe housework isn't a man vs. woman issue, it could just be a person to person thing, the same way any other set of skills is looked at. #housework
@HighSchoolFearleader: My Dad WASN'T always able but he got good at it when my Mom got lackadasical and started just shoving things in the washer without separating... OMG! We'd been had! She knew exactly what she was doing when she shrunk my sweaters!
Actually, my husband is the pickier folder of the two of us.
But, related to the article as a whole, I am lucky that my husband is a good cook, but he also isn't as good at being flexible and cooking with local in-season ingredients, which is my thing. So, I mainly cook. He does the dishes.
I have noticed though that I like the house cleaner and I'm more apt to notice soap scum in the shower and when things are dusty. I'm not sure if he doesn't notice it because that's the way he is or if it has something to do with this gender and the gender roles that surround us. I am a woman and therefore I am aware of uncleanliness? I don't know.
And there's no way he'd spend an afternoon canning tomatoes that he grew from the garden. If I want that, I can't just delegate.
I think though, if we had children, I would want him to help more with stuff like that. For right now, I don't mind because a lot of those are just my things and he's busy building us kitchen cabinets and such. But, I don't want my kids to just see me doing domestic stuff and their dad manly stuff. For that reason, I want to learn how split firewood this winter. (that and stronger abs and killer arms!) I just don't want to perpetuate gender roles that I definitely can see have been passed along to me. #housework
@banana_grabber: Splitting firewood is easy, you just get really tired. It isn't something you have to learn. Plus, you should start splitting now (or, like, two months ago) so you don't have to do it in subzero weather. That makes it very hard to split the wood. #housework
Well it's interesting to note that the article mentioned the criticism the man faces in terms of not meeting the woman's standards and the woman's impulse to live up to a certain "standard" of domesticity.
I do think that because of society's heteronormative gender roles, there is a skewed weight placed on women in terms of domesticity and not on men. For example, a woman may care about how laundry is folded while a man just cares if the laundry is folded at all. Therefore, I think the main issue in terms of domestic roles is what is important to whom.
From my personal experience, I found that explaining to my boyfriend exactly how I wanted laundry to be folded and why my way is more efficient than his way helped a lot in terms of him understanding my prior frustration with his folding skills. #housework
When I first started dating mr.salazar he had a giant cardboard box that he just tossed clean laundry in. Not only did he not bother to fold, he couldn't be bothered to get a dresser to put folded clothes in. I've tamed him, though. #housework
Those of us who have been in the military can not only fold, but we can do hospital corners, iron, mop, wax, and generally clean from the ceiling down. That doesn't mean that we see utility in all of it. Make a bed? Why? Fold? Just hang it up fresh out of the dryer. Iron? Are you serious? I get the nightly chore of cleaning the kitchen after dinner. I can see why that needs to be done, so no problem. #housework
My husband and all my prior boyfriends have been much better at folding than I am. Also, my husband does the majority of the cleaning. He has higher standards and I am lazy. #housework
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We both compromised, but he really had to compromise the most because he standards were awful. It took a while to establish the new guidelines. Like, he thought it was silly to add "wipe down the doors and light switches every other week" to the list of what should be done in each room. So I told him he was completely in charge of the bathrooms for three months. At the end of that time the baseboards, light switches, and area around the door handles were filthy. So he saw why that part of the job was important. He never knew it could get that way!
We don't have a set thing of who does what chore because our schedules are unpredictable and we need flexibility. But if one person says, "I'll clean the bathroom," we both know exactly what that means. #housework
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This division is probably simplified by the fact that we have two separate closets and hampers, so our dirty laundry is naturally separate. #housework
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Even though I know it's so much bullshit, I still feel really guilty when she makes comments like that. #housework
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I was and still am pissed about this, both because of the guilt he tried to lay on me and because of the expectation that a good wife must do laundry and other supposed "wifely duties." #housework
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I hate always having to ask him to do his part because it makes me feel like a nag, and I hate always having to shoulder more of the burden, so basically it's an arms race to the squalid bottom which makes me annoyed and which he doesn't notice. #housework
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The subtext to this, of course, is that I'm at home most of the time working on my PhD, while he goes to an office. So he comes home and doesn't want to clean, and I think on some level he resents that I'm home all day and he isn't, even though it's not as if I'm like, partying it up. I despise feeling like a nag, but I wind up nagging anyway. It sucks. #housework
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But his room is an explosion of dirty clothes, I am constantly tripping over his huge shoes (big ass man feet).
What I'm saying here is that a man is capable of doing something right if he wants to. It's not about gender, it's about personality.
Lets be honest, the only reason my room is clean is because if it wasn't I'd have a stress attack falling all over my shit. #housework
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bitch. #housework
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But, related to the article as a whole, I am lucky that my husband is a good cook, but he also isn't as good at being flexible and cooking with local in-season ingredients, which is my thing. So, I mainly cook. He does the dishes.
I have noticed though that I like the house cleaner and I'm more apt to notice soap scum in the shower and when things are dusty. I'm not sure if he doesn't notice it because that's the way he is or if it has something to do with this gender and the gender roles that surround us. I am a woman and therefore I am aware of uncleanliness? I don't know.
And there's no way he'd spend an afternoon canning tomatoes that he grew from the garden. If I want that, I can't just delegate.
I think though, if we had children, I would want him to help more with stuff like that. For right now, I don't mind because a lot of those are just my things and he's busy building us kitchen cabinets and such. But, I don't want my kids to just see me doing domestic stuff and their dad manly stuff. For that reason, I want to learn how split firewood this winter. (that and stronger abs and killer arms!) I just don't want to perpetuate gender roles that I definitely can see have been passed along to me. #housework
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I do think that because of society's heteronormative gender roles, there is a skewed weight placed on women in terms of domesticity and not on men. For example, a woman may care about how laundry is folded while a man just cares if the laundry is folded at all. Therefore, I think the main issue in terms of domestic roles is what is important to whom.
From my personal experience, I found that explaining to my boyfriend exactly how I wanted laundry to be folded and why my way is more efficient than his way helped a lot in terms of him understanding my prior frustration with his folding skills. #housework
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