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cocobanal
09/10/09

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Are they implying that being a nerd is a BAD thing? Because I am attracted to smart, nice nerds.
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hydrogen_jukebox
09/10/09

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I'm going to take the hopeless optimistic route and say that this is at least very good news for gay men.
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rixatrix
09/10/09

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Wait, so in the Girl Paradox chart, nice and smart girls are ugly, but in the Boy Paradox chart, they get to be nerds? Uncool.

Smart, Nice girls should be "Your Girlfriend." End of story. Unless you're doing something wrong, like being an asshole and only dating hot girls.

Which came first, the hot, smart, nice girl dating assholes? Or the assholes being the only ones with the courage to approach girls with the whole package? Hmm. Food for thought.
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spunkay
09/10/09

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I think NatalieDee got it right.
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LaComtesse
09/10/09

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Handsome boy, smart boy, nice boy, NERD.

AW SHIT! I just threw off your whole chart!
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meritxell: an erotic life
09/10/09

@LaComtesse: smexy!
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PsychicPsycho3
09/10/09

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Halp! I'm a gay nerd, what do I do?
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stacyinbean
09/10/09

@PsychicPsycho3: I thought that meant you were perfect, I mean, it is the whole middle of the chart!
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feather_spin
09/10/09

@PsychicPsycho3: Don't worry about it. Identifying as a nerd means your sexual orientation no longer matters: You won't get laid.

Disclaimer: I am a nerd, married to a nerd, so, just kidding.
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brinkswomanship
09/10/09

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I believe this was a response to a 'Girl Paradox' chart that had appeared a couple of days earlier, where "Asshole, Dumb, Nerd, Gay" were replaced with "Annoying, Idiot, Ugly, Only Dates Assholes".
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Intern Katy
09/10/09

@brinkswomanship: I didn't know that it was a reaction to another chart, but after a quick search I found the original. Ugh. Both suck.
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whatwouldjanedo
09/10/09

@brinkswomanship: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was in response to this. The Girl Paradox chart annoyed me more; I'm pretty sure it was made by a Nice Guy (TM) who, rather than examining his own behavior, just has to assume that hot girls won't date him because he's too! nice!
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BytheSea
08/20/09

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I'd like to know the percentage for America.
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whynotshesaid
08/20/09

@BytheSea: Me too.
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Penny
08/20/09

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The visual is, indeed, striking. But, I would have liked to see more western/Christian countries (as Erda says below).

I think I am pretty smart, educated and aware, not to mention the fact that identify as feminist....but I've been hit once in my life and I still think I deserved it. It's not surprising for me to see these numbers. But it is heartbreaking.
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Erda
08/20/09

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Why do they focus so heavily on third-world countries (and particularly non-Christian ones)? It would be interesting to look at "developed" countries (like the U.S., Japan and Western Europe) and see if the numbers are really that different. I doubt as many women in America think it's acceptable as women in Jordan, but I'm sure we'd be disturbed by just how many do.

I just feel by focusing on less-developed nations, we're subtlely reinforcing this "we first-worlders are so enlightened and progressive" idea when I really don't think a lot of women here are much more "enlightened" than their counterparts in these countries.
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NefariousNewt
08/20/09

@Erda: Very true. It's not a representative sample by any stretch, but I do think it highlights the the fact that the problem goes further than most people think. It would have been nice to have say, France, the United States, and maybe Japan, as counterpoints.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
08/20/09

@Erda: " It would be interesting to look at "developed" countries (like the U.S., Japan and Western Europe) and see if the numbers are really that different."

Yes. Yes, it would.

(How interested might you be in emailing Jessica over at Feministing and sharing that posit with her?)
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cate3710
08/20/09

@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Feministing didn't produce this chart, another website did. And the point was raised in the comments there as well.
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LaFemme
08/20/09

@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: You know what could happen with doing the U.S. and Western Europe though (just a hypothesis, maybe it wouldn't be this way) you would get really, really low numbers of women saying it is acceptable, which are not really indicative of the actual prevalence of domestic violence in our own societies. Women know it is wrong and unacceptable to be hit by your partner for the most part (I think) which is where the shame comes in in not wanting to tell anyone! Domestic violence is a huge problem in Western societies, but I bet if you asked most women in these societies, "do you think it is an acceptable practice for a man to hit his wife?" they would say no. They could be victims of abuse and say no. I would be worried putting in the US/UK/France etc. on the same graph as the countries surveyed would only serve as a "and see, look how progressive WE ARE!" stat.
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BritneyCanadaWhore
08/20/09

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this is sad and disturbing, and the commenters on feministing rightly called out a few equally disturbing things, like why there are no western or "developed" countries on here. also i'd like to know why this is being framed such that the onus is somehow on the women who "let" themselves be beaten - how would the chart look if it depicted the "percentage of men who think it's okay to beat their wives"? i understand that this chart is highlighting the pervasiveness of violence and patriarchal thinking, but it sure seems . . . incomplete.
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ytuhermanotambien
08/20/09

@BritneyCanadaWhore: I came here to say I'd really like to see what the percentage of American women would be. I also wonder how close the percentage of men v. women in a given country would be.
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alouette
08/20/09

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I saw this yesterday and it broke my heart. I just wish the information was better arranged though, for a bigger impact (i.e., Rwanda and Jordan have fields almost the same size). It's not until you read through it carefully that you really understand.
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cate3710
08/20/09

@alouette: True. The sizes of the fields don't seem to correspond with the actual numbers all that well. I'm also curious as to why these 16 countries in particular were chosen. Do they have the highest percentages? Glancing at the full list at the Unicef link indicates that that's not the case - Zambia isn't included, and it was 85.4%. Though that number is from 2001-2002, so maybe these are the countries with the most recent numbers?
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alouette
08/20/09

@cate3710: Yeah, I can just imagine my statistics professor:

"alouette, do you think your audience can understand this clearly from 3 feet away without reading any of the text?"

And you're absolutely right, an explanation of the sample would have been great.
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NefariousNewt
08/20/09

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I'm 100% certain this is disturbing.
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mbot says Spock yeah!
07/15/09

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Anyone notice the timeline at the top? The 'perfunctory intercourse' stage comes by week two. Ouch.
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♥AntiSocialSocialite♥
07/15/09

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that last line of the chart reminds me of this from "The Reader":

"Sometimes the memory of happiness cannot stay true because it ended unhappily. Because happiness is only real if it lasts forever? Because things always end painfully if they contained pain. Conscious or unconscious, all along? But what is unconscious, unrecognized pain?"

The chart is meant to be silly, but it contains some periodic truth.

:/
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