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    Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya

    Too Little, Too Late: Semenya's Gender Test Results Won't Be Made Public

    Trojan Explains How To Prevent "Mistakes" • Palin Takes Book Tour To Fort Hood

    South African Olympics Official Suspended Over Semenya Case

    Gender-Test Trauma Affects Semenya's Schoolwork

    10 Year-Olds Getting Bikini Waxes? • Breast Cancer Gene Discovered

    South African Billboard Mocks Caster Semenya Controversy

    Semenya "Shattered" By Ordeal • Warning Issued For Breast Pumps

    Caster Semenya In Hiding, Receiving Trauma Counseling After Test Results Released

    Daredevil Grandma Hang-Glides, Skydives • Semenya Withdraws From Championships
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    Image of Ishtar_in_CapeTown Ishtar_in_CapeTown
    11/24/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    Leonard Chuene is an asshat. The entire board of ASA (Athletics South Africa) was suspended and this morning I heard on the radio news that a new board has just been appointed.

    The athletes and several provincial athletics organisations staged a protest and demanded the resignation of the ASA board. Not a single athlete belonging to ASA wanted the board (and specifically Chuene) to remain. Chuene and his fellow board members have done so much damage over the years. Chuene acted liked ASA was his personal fiefdom.

    His treatment of Caster Semenya is disgusting beyond words. She has more smarts and dignity in her little finger than Chuene has in his entire body. I'm angry (furious!) about the way she was treated.

    I hope she knows that there are many people out there who support her and wish her everything of the best.
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    Image of The Loch Ness Monster The Loch Ness Monster
    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    I feel sad for Caster. She's been exploited to the hilt, and has been forced to deal with an extremely personal struggle in the limelight. I really do wish the best for her, and I hope to see her compete on the international level in the future.
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    Image of LutherNipperkin LutherNipperkin
    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    "This thing has given her more opportunity! Everybody knows her. The world is out there to say, ‘Your problems are our problems.' Imagine if I had not let her win!"

    Oh, you let her win? How nice of you! I was of the impression that she worked her ass off and is an incredible athlete who trained hard, and that she won all by herself. Asshole.

    It breaks my heart that she's walking away from running. I hope she still runs privately, for herself, where her only witness is the road and nobody else tries to tell her what's good enough.
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    Image of CoalMineCanary CoalMineCanary
    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    Not every culture ties gender so closely to biological sex. For American Indians, gender was aligned with one's role. Although they have recently struggled to embrace Two-Spirit people, their culture historically had a third gender, berdache (now considered a derogatory term). Thailand also has a third gender, kathoey, and consider gender to be fluid.

    Hopefully, this incident will spark some fruitful discussion. But yeah, it sucks that it had to come about this way, at Semenya's expense.
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    Image of msAnthrope msAnthrope
    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    "...If the standard turns out to be, for instance, hormone levels, and it is decided that one cannot exceed certain levels of testosterone to play in women's sports..."

    i'm confused and fascinated by this approach. wouldn't then a hormone "baseline" be established, not just for women but men also? for example suppose a man doesn't have "enough" testosterone, or has "too much" estrogen compared to the accepted baseline?

    would a woman with "too much" testosterone be allowed to compete against men? would a man with "too much" estrogen be allowed to compete against women? or would both groups wind up in some crazy limbo category where they could only compete against each other with similar non-conforming hormone levels?
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    Image of Anna N. Anna N.
    11/23/09

    @msAnthrope: Butler does imply that if a hormone standard were applied, some men might be allowed to compete against women.
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    Image of mickeyitaliano mickeyitaliano
    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    Once again I need to ask. Had no one read, "Middlesex"?
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    11/23/09

    @mickeyitaliano: Has it ever been established whether Semenya was born intersexed (like the character in Middlesex)? Or are people just speculating at this point?
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    Image of HereComesMyBaby HereComesMyBaby
    11/23/09

    @Kivrin: Yeah, it's been established that she was born intersex.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    I hope Butler is actively lobbying the IAFF and every other sports organization. The concept of standards for admission rather than a determination of sex is brilliant and will protect future athletes from the same pain.
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    Image of whynotshesaid whynotshesaid
    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    I hope Mr. Opportunity has the opportunity to read those quotes, and then I hope he feels like a gigantic schmuck for saying Semenya should be grateful for what has happened to her.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    My heart breaks at those quotes from Semenya. What a horrible thing to have to deal with. I hope all these people who demanded the testing are happy now.
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    Image of edwardsaidismyhomie edwardsaidismyhomie
    11/19/09

    In reply to Too Little, Too Late: Semenya's Gender Test Results Won't Be Made Public
    Please stop calling the thing a 'gender test'. It is a sex test, because it is determining her biological sex status, not her gender identity. Semenya identifies as a woman; therefore, she is a woman. That is her gender, so, no, that is not what this medical test was trying to determine. I kept hoping you would fix your error, but you continue to mislabel the entire thing, and I'm frankly quite irritated with your ignorance on the matter.
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    Image of utensil42 utensil42
    11/19/09

    @edwardsaidismyhomie: I think the Jezebel editors know that and they're just using the term that's been used in the other media outlets for the sake of consistency. Not that that excuses the error, but it's not like the editors here are idiots.
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    Image of lisas lisas
    11/19/09

    @edwardsaidismyhomie: Hi. Can you explain this a little bit further, because I'm a little fuzzy on the matter?

    Are you saying that a sex test finds out if she is biologically female or male, and a gender test would be if she is psychologically male or female?

    I once interviewed a criminal profiler who also drew a distinction between sex and gender, and I feel like my grasp on the concept is not as firm as it could be.
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    Image of ameliabearhart ameliabearhart
    11/19/09

    @lisas: Gender = personal identity; sex = physical characteristics (chromosomes, physical features, etc.)

    Therefore, Semenya's sex was tested and found not to work within the binary "woman or man" system (in a biological sense), but her gender is still "woman" because she identifies as such.

    Does that help?
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    Image of lisas lisas
    11/19/09

    @ameliabearhart: It does, thanks. So in fact Semenya's gender was never in question, only her sex.
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    Image of Anna N. Anna N.
    11/19/09

    @utensil42: I'm not completely comfortable with the term "gender test," for the reasons edwardsaid describes, but I keep using it for the reason you mention -- all media coverage is referring to the testing as such. Possibly they're doing so to avoid any connotations of intercourse with the term "sex test," but what all this shows is that our terminology can be as murky as our understanding of both sex and gender, and all of these things need to be improved.
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    11/19/09

    In reply to Too Little, Too Late: Semenya's Gender Test Results Won't Be Made Public
    Well, though she no longer has her dignity, as least she has her medals?
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    Image of BestEuphemismEver BestEuphemismEver
    11/19/09

    @boxspelunker: I think Caster has retained her dignity throughout.
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    11/19/09

    @BestEuphemismEver @Sarah Dove: You guys are both right. Dignity was the wrong word. I guess what I meant was more that she'd been publicly humiliated, which correlates to dignity, but she has been a class act.

    #tips
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    11/19/09

    In reply to Too Little, Too Late: Semenya's Gender Test Results Won't Be Made Public
    It is really unfortunate that world class sports don't seem to be able to control what should be private information. This is an extreme case, given the nature of the investigation but similarly with doping offenses, often what should be a confidential first result that an athlete can challenge in court or by requiring a re-test is leaked to the public, thereby ruining the athlete's career and reputation, regardless of validity. This is a problem not limited to sports either. I'm nostalgic for a time when confidentiality (even of an event that might be deemed newsworthy) truly existed.
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    Image of PilgrimSoul PilgrimSoul
    11/19/09

    In reply to Too Little, Too Late: Semenya's Gender Test Results Won't Be Made Public
    You know, I don't believe in violence, but I kind of hope all these people die in a fire. I realize sports are a big deal for some people and all, but I really think it's fucked up that in the name of "fairness in sport," this person was dragged through the mud and just generally subjected to an utterly inappropriate level of public scrutiny.
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    Image of Rare Affinity Rare Affinity
    11/19/09

    @PilgrimSoul: I am sure your comment was meant tongue in cheek, but speaking as someone who was trapped in a house fire (it was arson) and almost died, it is not a fate I would wish on anyone.
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    Image of lisas lisas
    11/19/09

    @PilgrimSoul: well you know, that could be Act of God and not violence.

    Although my mother would tell you that the ill-wishing is kind of violent ;)
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Trojan Explains How To Prevent "Mistakes" • Palin Takes Book Tour To Fort Hood
    Trojan 2Go: a uniquely portable condom, unlike all the other condoms on the market that won't fit into your pocket...

    Wait, what? I'm also confused by the "shareable" part of Trojan's pitch. I'm going to break the packet in half and give one of them to... whom? The couple I see out dancing who shouldn't, in my esteemed opinion, be procreating like the disco freaks who begat the movie disruptor? I don't get it. #condomad
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    Image of jemandtheholograms jemandtheholograms
    11/14/09

    @cirocco: It's like those BFF heart necklaces you break apart. #condomad
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    Image of Elaken Elaken
    11/13/09

    In reply to Trojan Explains How To Prevent "Mistakes" • Palin Takes Book Tour To Fort Hood
    It always bothers me how people want to adopt dogs that they saw in the media. I volunteered at the Humane Society and whenever a dog was featured in the newspaper or tv as up for adoption people would come in wanting the dog. What happens when it was already adopted? They'd mostly just turn around and leave.

    There are *so* many animals out there in need I am not necessarily against spending the money and resources on a larger number of animals instead of just one. #condomad
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