Oh man, I've never counted calories exactly, but I've been on Weight Watchers since January. I'm thrilled with the program and the results, but every once in a while I'm like "Christ, I would love to eat a handful of chips at a party without counting them out." I couldn't do it for two years; I'd go insane and eat an entire loaf of bread.
I didn't read the whole post because I have to go, but I just wanted to say that I've never heard of calorie restriction as a trend diet.
I actually just started lowering my caloric intake to lose weight, starting a little over two weeks ago. So far I've lost ten pounds by eating no more than about 1300 calories per day. A couple of years ago I did the same thing over a span of about three months and lost about 40 pounds. Unfortunately I gained it all back after breaking my femur, but now I'm just starting again.
@Asmo: Most dietitians would say that losing five pounds a week is unhealthy (and having a yo-yo weight gain is related to many health problems as well -- for starters, in the long run it's likely to make you GAIN weight). Make sure that you are eating at a healthy level, too -- 1300 calories is far too small for most people (not me, but then again, I'm five feet tall).
I've been on a calorie restriction diet that results in me losing about 1 lb a week. That's what I had always heard was the most healthy way to go about it.
While I often comment in these threads, I rarely discuss any of my actual personal circumstances with an ED. I've been a severe food restrictor for over a decade, and in the past year, I finally realized that I needed to take some steps or this was going to completely consume my life. I see similar sentiments in a lot of posts in these types of threads, and I just hope something I say can help someone see things a little differently. One of the hardest parts of having an ED, or even disordered eating, is how little perspective you really have over it...but you always think you do. Hell, I have a Masters degree that focused on issues related to ED's and, though it helped me understand what was going on better, it didn't solve the underlying issues at work.
Hopefully none of this will be triggering, but I know that's different for everyone.
Ironically, it was not severe weight loss that prompted this. It was weight gain, lethargy, and depression, that made me seek out help. Which is, without a doubt, one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. Admitting to having a problem, and that you can't fix it on your own, is not an easy step.
I was never, I would like to mention, diagnosed as anorexic. Because I was never treated, because I never lost enough weight for anyone to think there was something "wrong"...even though rapid weight loss, and ending up in the low end of my weight bracket, was apparent. Like a lot of people, I got more physical compliments when I was restricting. The irony that I had to self-harm to be treated as more conventionally attractive was not lost on me.
Over the years, I've developed a lot of extreme and obsessive attitudes towards food and eating. But if you'd asked me a year ago, I would have said I mostly ate healthily (when I ate). I don't eat fast food, I don't eat out, I'm vegetarian, I don't eat most popular or processed foods etc. It wasn't until I started seeing both an ED therapist, and a nutritional therapist, that I realized this was anything but the truth.
Up until the last 4 or 5 months, I had limited my diet to an extreme extent. The most eye opening thing we did was go over a list of foods and label them "good" and "bad" from my point of view, and whether I felt "safe" around them or not. Everything in the carbohydrate category was "bad" and unsafe. All fats were bad. All sugars, too. Looking over the list, and then my subsequent food diaries, I was appalled to find that I was not eating anything even close to a healthy diet.
The first two things my nutritional therapist said to me, that shocked me, was that I needed more calories from whole grains and fats in my diet. Those were the two things I was most afraid of eating. But I had committed to this, so we started adding foods.
It didn't take long before I realized I was no longer exhausted all the time. I had more energy and actually wanted to go out and be active. My depression got better and more manageable, and I could see it for what it was. My headaches became more infrequent, and I stopped bruising constantly.
I have, I am sure, gained weight. But I don't weigh myself because that's always been a huge trigger for me and ends up being counter productive. I no longer count calories or measure all my food obsessively. In my case, those were not helpful and something I needed to break away from. It's interesting how something like that can be really helpful for some people, and completely destructive for others. But a lot of it is WHY you're counting calories, or measuring. And how you feel about yourself when you do.
I'm not "fixed" or anything. I have bad days. I've internalized a lot of the beauty/weight culture that, though I know is unfair and unreasonable on an intellectual level, still effects my emotional state. There are all kinds of reasons this happened to me, many deeply personal, some cultural, ED's are very individual that way.
All of this is to say that, though a study like this is interesting...in the end, I don't believe calorie restricting as a health goal is going to do most people any favors. Eating well, eating intuitively, and maybe most importantly...eating -kindly-, as in eating in a way that you don't hate yourself for doing, seems more likely to improve your life than any diet ever will.
Edited to add: Long winded, I apologize! Maybe I should just say: Everyone, be kind to yourself. Food nourishes you and, whatever else, don't hate yourself for needing to eat.
@tiredfairy: this was a very eloquent and eye-opening essay on your disorder for someone like me, who doesn't have isues like this and doesn't entirely understand how it is. Thank you so much for posting this. Have you, or have you considered, publishing your thoughts and experiences? More people need your gentle wisdom. :)
@BytheSea: I have, although I'm not sure in what form. I've had a lot of guilt to work through with it, having never gotten sick "enough" with my ED as other people have...but the more of these conversations I see, the more I notice how many women are in the same position with disordered eating. And thank you, I'm glad it gave a helpful perspective.
@tiredfairy: i so know what you mean about not being sick "enough," with my own issues. I keep trying to tell myself that there's no textbook case, that tv melodramaticises everything, that no life happens in the clean cut obvious way we think it does. Every trauma is individual and subtle.
I've lost 15 lbs recently by calorie counting, and intend to lose more. I need to lose weight for health reasons and this has been the most effective tool for me, because instead of "oh, I CAN'T eat this cake, I'm not allowed, I'm on a diet," it's "this cake looks tasty, but is it worth 1/3 of my day's calories?" If it is, then I make it work by eating lighter the rest of the day, or the next day. Usually it's not, and I find a healthier alternative. I'm not restricting to any ridiculous degree (I won't go into numbers), and I also track my exercise and adjust my calorie allowance accordingly for the day (my allowance is fairly low and doesn't account for gym time, so if I burn 500 calories at the gym, those are 500 calories I "get back", not part of my daily total getting burned up). On special occasions, I'll refrain from tracking for the day, but it's rare. I can see where tracking like this would be a problem for some people -- I'm fortunate in that I've never suffered from an ED -- but I don't think it should be written off entirely. The study seems flawed in how it handled the idea of physical activity in relation to calorie consumption, as well.
Maybe at some point, when I'm at a weight I want to maintain, I'll go to just paying attention to things instead of explicitly tracking. But as someone prone to snacking, it's been invaluable to me to actually think about how what I'm putting in my mouth ADDS UP, instead of just looking at it in the abstract. I've been tracking nutrients as well (since, well, There's An App For That), and that's helped make me more aware of things like sodium intake as well.
And with that, I'm off to the gym to earn myself back some booze calories for tonight...
From the Times article: "The medical literature on calorie restriction sometimes cites an experiment conducted in Minnesota in the 1940s to study the effects of starvation, especially with the war-torn populations of Europe in mind. The men — all lean to begin with, all volunteers (they were conscientious objectors to World War II) — were subjected to about a 40 percent decrease in caloric consumption. The state of near starvation led a few of the subjects to the threshold of insanity. They became irritable and depressed; some began to lie and cheat; at least one engaged in acts of self-mutilation."
@lavendermint: But this is a person who volunteered to participate in a study. If he wanted to stay in the study, he needed to meet the study's requirements. The researchers aren't recommending a diet or telling him this diet is good for him. They are conducting research on the impact of calorie restriction.
All I have to say about this is: the thumbnail picture on the homepage is grossing me out. The tongs look more like a fungus-ified thumbnail than tongs.
Mmm, asparagus: the most entertaining vegetable. An hour later you go to pee and have that split-second moment of wondering, "What the hell is wrong with me?" Never gets old.
A 40 something friend recently showed me a calorie diary she started keeping earlier this year. I am pleased to say she has now stopped. She is well within the acceptable BMI parameters. As someone who enjoys growing and cooking food, it seems far too masochistic to keep a detailed diary of everything I eat. I know full well when I have overdone it and don’t need to see it written down to realise it. I hope she didn’t record the calories whenever she dined with me as I love to bake three course meals and usually, at her request, laden her with freshly baked loaves of sweet bread, cupcakes and gingerbread to take home with her. I will modify my cooking to reflect people’s religious, cultural and vegetarian beliefs but I draw the line at calorie counting.
I count every calorie that enters my mouth. I have battling with ED's for years now. I can see the good side of knowing how much you consume in a day ... But their is a very dark side. I am currently eating 500 calories on a good day when i make myself. This has been going on for years. I have had my hair fall out and my gums recede. I have chased away all of my friends, and lost the love of my life over it .....
All in all. I think America needs to restructre out style of life. When i am in Europe eating non pasturized cheeses and meats, and fresh local bread and veggies ... I feel much better. My stomach never hurts. I lose weight naturally. It's our society that breeds obesity and eating disorders.
@nikkit822: I'm trying desperately to recover right now, but I can't get the little nagging voice that counts everything out of my head. I wish there was something I could tell you to make you magically better, but just know that you are not alone. You are beautiful and you deserve better than this. I hope the best for you.
But they're also the kind of people who say things like, "I've never gotten so much pleasure in my life. I'm wearing a medium shirt now. I haven't worn a medium since high school."
isn't it amazing how we measure our adult bodies to what they were in high school? you couldn't pay me to be a teenager again. no thank you. and the body i had them was alright, but i was still chubby compared to all the beanpoles around me, so how exactly is that 'pleasurable'?
furthermore, i can't think of a single diet program that doesn't have some sort of wording like this in their advertisements. also read: every interview valerie bertinelli has been giving for the past year and a half or so.
@rednrowdy: I agree... This is something I've never quite understand. I don't really understand when people compare themselves to how they were in high school, it's like saying high school was your peak. I do not understand why anyone would wish to go back to that.
@bellzar08: i remember a teacher in high school saying "these are the best years of your life" and all i thought was "no, ma'am, the best is yet to come. if THIS is the best? the pimples and stupidity and cliques and bullshit is the best ever?! then your life must really suck."
I lost a whole lot of weight last year when I had my tonsils out (surprise!) and managed to keep it off by counting out approximately 800 calories a day. Unfortunately this also went with a very regimented schedule and sometimes I'd just want a break from it. Five drinks later I'd be in blackout mode and it just wasn't healthy. Unfortunately, I cannot stand to gain weight. I do not feel good in my own skin. I'm trying to exercise as much as possible, but I find myself obsessing about food far more often than I probably should. I'm trying to figure out what my body wants to be at 25. It's stressful. Counting calories worked for me, but it was costly to my physical and mental health.
@you've got red on you: I don't know all the details here, but 800 calories is really not enough to sustain yourself. No one should be consuming less than 1200-1400 calories unless they are under the care of a medical professional. Restricting your calories that drastically, coupled with what else you've said, makes me think you should look into seeing a nutritionist, specifically one with training in ED's.
If you have to restrict your intake to 800 calories to maintain a weight, I really don't think that can be your natural weight..or healthy for you. And if it's causing you to obsess over it, and feel miserable about yourself, then again...I really think you need to talk to someone. Food restriction like that depresses moods and will make it much harder for you to get perspective on what's going on.
For the past few months I've been seeing a "nutritional therapist", who specializes in treating patients with disordered eating/eating disorders. It has been hugely helpful. I had no idea how much I had restricted my diet, not only in calories, but in variety. I knew I had a problem, I just didn't know how limiting it had become until I saw her.
I kept a food diary (not calories) and, gradually, over time, I've stopped reading labels so much and am able to trust myself around food more. I eat at frequent, regular intervals, I have more energy, I'm more active, and I feel physically better than I have in a long time. It's not like every day is easy, and I still struggle with eating/weight/my body...but I'm starting to find a better balance.
I was on a health induced calorie restrictive diet - I just couldn't eat much for months. I had no energy. My mood was often down. I had difficulty with cognitive thought. And I was always cold. I'd rather a shorter, happier life. And with that, I'm off to lunch.
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I actually just started lowering my caloric intake to lose weight, starting a little over two weeks ago. So far I've lost ten pounds by eating no more than about 1300 calories per day. A couple of years ago I did the same thing over a span of about three months and lost about 40 pounds. Unfortunately I gained it all back after breaking my femur, but now I'm just starting again.
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I've been on a calorie restriction diet that results in me losing about 1 lb a week. That's what I had always heard was the most healthy way to go about it.
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Hopefully none of this will be triggering, but I know that's different for everyone.
Ironically, it was not severe weight loss that prompted this. It was weight gain, lethargy, and depression, that made me seek out help. Which is, without a doubt, one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. Admitting to having a problem, and that you can't fix it on your own, is not an easy step.
I was never, I would like to mention, diagnosed as anorexic. Because I was never treated, because I never lost enough weight for anyone to think there was something "wrong"...even though rapid weight loss, and ending up in the low end of my weight bracket, was apparent. Like a lot of people, I got more physical compliments when I was restricting. The irony that I had to self-harm to be treated as more conventionally attractive was not lost on me.
Over the years, I've developed a lot of extreme and obsessive attitudes towards food and eating. But if you'd asked me a year ago, I would have said I mostly ate healthily (when I ate). I don't eat fast food, I don't eat out, I'm vegetarian, I don't eat most popular or processed foods etc. It wasn't until I started seeing both an ED therapist, and a nutritional therapist, that I realized this was anything but the truth.
Up until the last 4 or 5 months, I had limited my diet to an extreme extent. The most eye opening thing we did was go over a list of foods and label them "good" and "bad" from my point of view, and whether I felt "safe" around them or not. Everything in the carbohydrate category was "bad" and unsafe. All fats were bad. All sugars, too. Looking over the list, and then my subsequent food diaries, I was appalled to find that I was not eating anything even close to a healthy diet.
The first two things my nutritional therapist said to me, that shocked me, was that I needed more calories from whole grains and fats in my diet. Those were the two things I was most afraid of eating. But I had committed to this, so we started adding foods.
It didn't take long before I realized I was no longer exhausted all the time. I had more energy and actually wanted to go out and be active. My depression got better and more manageable, and I could see it for what it was. My headaches became more infrequent, and I stopped bruising constantly.
I have, I am sure, gained weight. But I don't weigh myself because that's always been a huge trigger for me and ends up being counter productive. I no longer count calories or measure all my food obsessively. In my case, those were not helpful and something I needed to break away from. It's interesting how something like that can be really helpful for some people, and completely destructive for others. But a lot of it is WHY you're counting calories, or measuring. And how you feel about yourself when you do.
I'm not "fixed" or anything. I have bad days. I've internalized a lot of the beauty/weight culture that, though I know is unfair and unreasonable on an intellectual level, still effects my emotional state. There are all kinds of reasons this happened to me, many deeply personal, some cultural, ED's are very individual that way.
All of this is to say that, though a study like this is interesting...in the end, I don't believe calorie restricting as a health goal is going to do most people any favors. Eating well, eating intuitively, and maybe most importantly...eating -kindly-, as in eating in a way that you don't hate yourself for doing, seems more likely to improve your life than any diet ever will.
Edited to add: Long winded, I apologize! Maybe I should just say: Everyone, be kind to yourself. Food nourishes you and, whatever else, don't hate yourself for needing to eat.
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Maybe at some point, when I'm at a weight I want to maintain, I'll go to just paying attention to things instead of explicitly tracking. But as someone prone to snacking, it's been invaluable to me to actually think about how what I'm putting in my mouth ADDS UP, instead of just looking at it in the abstract. I've been tracking nutrients as well (since, well, There's An App For That), and that's helped make me more aware of things like sodium intake as well.
And with that, I'm off to the gym to earn myself back some booze calories for tonight...
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No thanks.
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Of course, eating less calories trumps exercising. ?! If you exercise you NEED to eat more. Duh!
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All in all. I think America needs to restructre out style of life. When i am in Europe eating non pasturized cheeses and meats, and fresh local bread and veggies ... I feel much better. My stomach never hurts. I lose weight naturally. It's our society that breeds obesity and eating disorders.
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isn't it amazing how we measure our adult bodies to what they were in high school? you couldn't pay me to be a teenager again. no thank you. and the body i had them was alright, but i was still chubby compared to all the beanpoles around me, so how exactly is that 'pleasurable'?
furthermore, i can't think of a single diet program that doesn't have some sort of wording like this in their advertisements. also read: every interview valerie bertinelli has been giving for the past year and a half or so.
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If you have to restrict your intake to 800 calories to maintain a weight, I really don't think that can be your natural weight..or healthy for you. And if it's causing you to obsess over it, and feel miserable about yourself, then again...I really think you need to talk to someone. Food restriction like that depresses moods and will make it much harder for you to get perspective on what's going on.
For the past few months I've been seeing a "nutritional therapist", who specializes in treating patients with disordered eating/eating disorders. It has been hugely helpful. I had no idea how much I had restricted my diet, not only in calories, but in variety. I knew I had a problem, I just didn't know how limiting it had become until I saw her.
I kept a food diary (not calories) and, gradually, over time, I've stopped reading labels so much and am able to trust myself around food more. I eat at frequent, regular intervals, I have more energy, I'm more active, and I feel physically better than I have in a long time. It's not like every day is easy, and I still struggle with eating/weight/my body...but I'm starting to find a better balance.
I really hope you can find that too.
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