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morninggloria
10/15/09

#poop #butts #buttfaces

I love this.

I'm seven.

#groupthink
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rd2uk
09/17/09

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not sure how you can compare posh and amber rose? why would amber rose recieve the same treatment as posh who is a fashion 'icon', and has been working in fashion for about a decade (regardless of anything else, shes been a fashion place for years). whereas amber rose has been on the scene for about half a second and her claim to fame is being kanye wests girlfriend.
no comparison. not saying she should be trivialized as a woman or anything of the sort. just that there is NO comparison between her and posh - and to imagine that she would be treated with the same regard as posh with reference to fashion..yeah, no
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ZanCabaiste
09/17/09

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The thing is, Kanye West styled this, not an Elle staffer. Though you can blame them for that questionable idea, I don't think you can genuinely say this is a race thing, when it's actually a Kanye West has sleazy taste thing. I agree it would be more interesting to see her in something more couture, something edgy and structural, but this is the way Kanye chose to dress her.
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Seeräuber Jenny
09/17/09

@ZanCabaiste: I think we simply don't have enough information to know what happened here. IMO, the results aren't happy, whatever the explanation.

I clicked on the link Dodai provided to another site. There, Rose is very pretty, but even that shot of her in the halter and tight jeans is rather tacky, not fresh and certainly not innocent. I'm beginning to think that hip-hop boy toy is her chosen mode of presentation,* not that black women are given a lot of options in the media.

*I had no idea who she was until reading this post. I kept seeing photos of her here and wondered, who's that?
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GreenEyedMedusa
09/17/09

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Amber is also a former exotic dancer and I don't think she has any quams about being styled around her booty. If she did she seems a strong enough woman (or tall enough) woman to tell Kanye & Elle to back off.
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randomnessish
09/17/09

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Yo Kanye, I'm really happy for you and Imma let you finish, but Posh has some of the best style of all time. OF ALL TIME!
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milominderbinder
09/17/09

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So we tell women to own it and be their own person and then when they are, we assume that there's no way they could have chosen it for themselves? Based on how she presents herself, acts, who she associates with, her career and a multitude of other factors I'd say there are far more worthy and credible things to be outraged over. I think she looks fierce and original and I'm pretty sure that's the look she chooses to have.
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AlmostDream
09/17/09

@milominderbinder: I don't think Dodai is claiming Elle forced Amber to do this. But it is very odd that this kind of shoot would even appear in Elle, since it looks more like it belongs in Maxim or King. Nothing wrong with being sexy, or portraying yourself however you want, but I don't know that Elle (or any other high fashion magazine) has ever run something so clearly not high fashion. It's very out of place.
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dreamypisces
09/17/09

@AlmostDream: But the thing is it wasn't done by the stylist at Elle. Kanye did this and so he wants her to continue to be portrayed as such - not Elle (though, yes, they could have asked him to change it) and not AMber (because models don't usually have a say in how they are styled for shoots).

It's just one more thing to wag your finger at Kanye for...I would have liked to see her in another light as well (she's almost always half dressed on red carpets).
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andheartss haz it
09/17/09

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The sad thing is, I'm not sure that Amber would have it any other way.

She could choose to go the high-fashion route but she's milking everything she can get out of her big ass.
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jebash
09/17/09

@andheartss haz it: Her butt may be larger than that of the typical Caucasian model, but I think it's very offensive to call it a big ass.

Also, passively aggressively calling her a slut isn't cool.
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VirtuousVixen
09/17/09

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Yes this is consistent with Amber Rose's image, and yes she was styled by Kanye, but I think it just really goes to the way we look at black women in general, and frankly how we discuss black women's posteriors. Can you imagine a white model, even with a similar image as Amber Rose, having two shots specifically dedicated to her ass?
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Seeräuber Jenny
09/17/09

@VirtuousVixen:

What's also funny is another post today in which Jenna included a transcript of an interview with Crystal, a plus size model and they discussed how insulting it was that a photographer told Crystal that she had "a fat ass."

Although it was a cruel remark, I thought they were being a bit hypersensitive. But if you're a black woman, be prepared to have your (possibly) big booty critiqued night and day.
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ZemarSea Urchin
09/17/09

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One more thing 2,3,4,5 are Hip Hop images. Very rarely would see a female within the Hip Hop cultural net or association in something more...what is the word I am looking for here? Um, clothed? Sophisticated? Sassy? What is the word? I don't know but you get my point right?
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nothing_new
09/17/09

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Kanye styled that shoot of Amber Rose. It says a lot about how he views her.
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dreamypisces
09/17/09

@nothing_new: Exactly what I was thinking.
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Le Kangourou de Kataroo
09/17/09

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Kanye is nothing if not subtle.
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lfw1031
09/17/09

@Le Kangourou de Kataroo: He's no Grace Coddington.

I'm shocked he didn't go full out and shoot only her ass in a two-page, ahem, spread - perhaps he's saving that for his stint as guest editor at King magazine...
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Aesop's Foibles. YES.
09/17/09

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Maybe this is what she wanted? I'm trying to look at it from another perspective, so hear me out, if you will. She's already known for her personal style choices, aka wearing....the stuff she wears. Which is not for everyone and I'm sure there are tons of women who'd never go out like that (myself included). However, it's not about what I like or what you like or what Elle's readership likes: it's more about her, and her signature. It doesn't seem like she wants to fit into any boxes. And yeah, she's beautiful and statuesque, and I would love to see her in a super-femimine gown or a pencil skirt or even a Chanel suit. But maybe to her that would feel really unnatural. Anyway one way to look at it is, to each her own, and again, maybe this is exactly what she was aiming for.
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greengrey
09/17/09

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Woah. Photoshop of horrors on the cover. Posh's breasts are fake, but on the cover it looks like they DREW them on.
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keldo
09/17/09

@greengrey: I can't believe she okayed that shot. Both breasts look bizarre in very different ways.
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marshmallory
09/17/09

@greengrey: Her shoulder and boob look connected. That ain't right.
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emilypdx
09/17/09

@greengrey: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure her secret to keeping that "hard body" is simple: not eating.
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ampersandparade
09/17/09

@emilypdx: i don't think that's a fair comment at all. From what little I know about her personal life, I know she is photographed at the gym constantly, at least so far as my doctor's office tabloid reading is concerned. But you know, skinny people, eating disorders, that's where a comment about photoshop should obviously lead to.
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LaFemme
09/17/09

@ampersandparade: Not that it is completely relevant, but Posh has given many an interview where she goes through how she stays thin- she NEVER works out (she is certainly not seen at the gym like...ever) and has stated she hates exercise and sticks to a "very, very strict diet" that includes no carbs, no surgars, low fat, etc. She specificies that she likes to eat sashimi and edamame.

So, coming from a skinny person I am going to have to say Emily's comment wasn't that out of line considering the lady in question.
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confusedforahotsecond is a sodemombeech!
09/17/09

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Two things:
What's up with the blonde Barbie that she's holding in Image 5?
And Elle: "When he's turned off by your body in bed. How to know. How to deal"? That's not an article, that's a sentence - Get rid of him
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Rare Affinity
09/17/09

@confusedforahotsecond is a sodemombeech!: Maybe it should read: When he's turn off by THE body in your bed. Not everyone is keen on necrophillia.
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confusedforahotsecond is a sodemombeech!
09/17/09

@Rare Affinity: Ah yes, now THAT makes more sense. We should send an errata sheet to Elle, stat.
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Penny
09/17/09

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If West styled her, I wonder if he also art directed the shoot?

Obviously Beckham has control over how she is shot, and likely Kruger as well.

Seems to me that this is the persona Rose is going for, no?
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Ailatan
09/17/09

@Penny: "Seems to me that this is the persona Rose is going for, no?" Exactly!
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Dodai
09/17/09

@Penny: Yeah, but editors control what goes inside their magazines. Did they think outside the box and TRY to pitch her something fabulous, or attempt to make a more "Elle" shoot happen?
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par3
09/17/09

@Penny: exactly, i'm confused how anyone could think she's being discriminated against...that's completely absurd to me. considering she wore a bodystocking to the VMAs- and her other fashion choices in the past, i mean.... regardless, those cutt offs she was wearing are probably still $500. Who is to say she would enjoy a high glamor shoot- we're imposing our standards on her style perhaps? Maybe she doesn't want to show herself in a different light, she's still breaking into the picture and wanting to establish her own style.
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hortense
09/17/09

@par3: Yes, but the shoot--not talking about Amber Rose, but the artistic choices made in the shoot itself--does not fit the overall aesthetic of the magazine, compared to other photoshoots. Even when Elle had Britney Spears in the magazine, the shots, if I remember correctly, were black and white and fairly high fashion.
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LaFemme
09/17/09

@Dodai: Could dressing her in uptight tweed with high necklines also be seen as an attempt to strip her of her originality and make her more "palateable" to the average Elle reader?
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greengrey
09/17/09

@LaFemme: Good point. However, there has to be a grey area between super sexy or laced up in tweed.
They even could have done sexy in a empowered (I know...I know...) sort of way. Dodai had another post like this regarding Rose a bit ago, and (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think the problem is the sexuality in the shots, but the submissive positions she seems to always be in.
Not that there's anything wrong with being submissive in, uh, fun and games, but when it's the usual theme of a shot for her, it looks problematic. I don't want to pretend she has no agency, but I wonder why she always is photographed like this.
Wow, tangent. Not all of that was directed at you LF.
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Penny
09/17/09

@Dodai: I'm certainly not saying WOC are not portrayed differently very often in fashion (I think I said this below), but in regard to this specific shoot, I can't say. I don't know how much editorial control they have over "star" produced shoots. From what I've seen of West, it seems like he would have the attitude of "I have the best idea EVER," but who knows...
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Penny
09/17/09

@LaFemme: I think this is a valid point, and kind of brings us back to the discussion around how Black women are portrayed in magazines like Straight Stuntin' (I think that's what it's called). I certainly felt a bit of that vibe coming from this shoot.
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Penny
09/17/09

@greengrey: I think the last post about Rose was in comparing her photos with those of Grace Jones. That whole discussion, while related, is on a bit of a different plane, for me. The former shots were so overtly animalistic, while these feel like they are more in line with her persona, from what I have seen, at least. You certainly cannot ignore the eye through which this was concepted, and I am guessing it was West in great part.
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Imjustnotthatintoyou
09/17/09

@par3:

This.
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Titania
09/17/09

@Dodai: If they'd done that, I wouldn't have been surprised to see comments relating to how Elle tried to "whiten" and "clean up" a black woman with a strong sense of personal style and make her conform to their idea of beauty.
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par3
09/18/09

@hortense: Wouldn't we otherwise be commending the mag on changing up their style on the usual celeb shoot? A frequent criticism of ELLE is that the magazine is always producing the same kind of fashion editorials featuring the 'stars of the moment'. While the other's in the editorial seemed to be shown in a predictable style, i feel the way Amber was presented was refreshing and new. I just feel like no matter what is presented- what was presented in ELLE or the opposite (her being shown in tweed or in a business blouse) we're going to be saying someone is trying to change her or make her conform and not allowing her to express her individuality. Despite the damning note that the shoot was 'styled by Kanye', i think people are always looking for a 'hair in the egg yolk' as we say in croatian.
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par3
09/18/09

@Titania: gah! i didn't see what you wrote before i responded to Hortense but i basically was trying to say what you said so well in just a few sentences.
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par3
09/18/09

@Imjustnotthatintoyou: hey, did you attach a link? i'm having trouble connecting to it?
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