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It's Possible To Be A Butch Intellectual, And Other Lessons From "Butch Voices"
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08/27/09
back on point, though, i definitely think of a butch lesbian as a tomboy person. it has nothing to do with their gender or sexuality, so much as an aversion to glitter and such. kind of like how i don't see the femme lesbians as anything but women who like to get dressed up. femme gay men strike me as men who are into fashion. just because a man is gay, doesn't mean he can't be into football and beer.
i don't understand why a person's sexuality changes the meaning of their personal style or visa versa... to be honest, i saw a girl with a shirt that said "gay is the new black" the other day... and it made me sad... cause it's true. this wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't the now subject. men and women of all makes, all gender preferences, all whatever could just be who they want and fuck who they want.
jeez that inadvertently turned into a rant.
08/27/09
Why then do particular LGBTs employ terms like 'butch' to define themselves (I understand why others would define them as such in ignorance) thereby aligning themselves with a certain expectation of gendered stereotype? Having supposed 'masculine' characteristics is one thing, but then characterising yourself as 'butch' while also crying foul about the negative connotations of the word is very confusing to me.
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thanks.
08/27/09
since when is one's intellectual capacity tied to one's sexuality?
08/27/09
I think they are talking about how there is a stereotype about how a person who is considered Butch would think and behave.
I had to do some reading. I kind of get it. It seems that people don't consider Maddow butch because of her intelligence.
I get that because I wouldn't think of her as butch. In fact, until now I would have never considered that I had a preconceived notion of what butch is.
Or maybe I am way off base here.
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I think I'm also boggled b/c as a femme straight girl, we're not supposed to be intellectuals either.
I mean, that's what Ann Coulter and Liz Hasselbeck - and Ann Althouse, for that matter - have told us, right?
*boggles some more*
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Sure, you can explore other terminology, but it seems that the women in the article, at least, want to be able to use the term butch for themselves.
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She does.
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That butches "only are about how we look" echoes assumptions about looks-obsessed women, but also the idea that LGBTQ identities are an act, something people put on, like drag.
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"The point is, we don't decide who is Butch, Stud or Aggressive. You get to decide for yourself."
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Isn't the point that stereotypes shouldn't be applied to women just because they dress a certain way?
I guess I'm wrong, I just never saw it as a whole gender-identity. Women I know who identify as butch don't conceptualize that way either. Like, they consider themselves butch (adjective) women (noun). Is it possible it means different things to different people?
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Also, someone enlighten me.....Stud?
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