@token_illiterate_commenter: I just saw a clip of 'Glee' and I couldn't agree more. Mal would take her head off. A scene of Mal taking Sue down would be quite enjoyable to watch. #glee
Why would that be a guilty pleasure? I can't stand any musical besides Cabaret and I LOVE that episode. It manages to move the narrative and characters along, sets up later plot points, AND has a song about mustard.
Sing it with me..."I died, so many years ago, but you can make me feel, like it isn't so...why you come to be with me, I think I finally know....mmmmmhmmmm....you're scared, afraid of what you feel, but you can't tell the ones you love, you know they couldn't deal, but whispering in a dead man's ear, it doesn't make it real...that's great, but I don't want to play, cos being with you touches me, more than I can say, but since I'm only dead to you, I'm saying stay away...and let me rest in peace...." #glee
@tiredfairy: "Let me rest in peace, let me get some sleep, let me take my love and bury it in a hole 6 foot deep. I can lay my body down but I can't find my sweet release, so let me rest in peace. You know, you got a willing slave, but you just love to play the part that you might misbehave. Until you do, I'm tellin' you, stop visiting my grave, and let me rest in peace... " #glee
After a twelve-hour workday, this was just the news I needed.
There are so many references I could make right now to show my happiness, but I shall just say maybe Sue Sylvester will sing something along the lines of:
The Evil League of Evil
Is watching so beware
The grade that you receive
Will be your last we swear
So make the Bad Horse gleeful
Or he’ll make you his mare…. #glee
Do you think he can direct an episode that retains the funny but also presents its token minority characters as more than one-dimensional stereotypes? 'cause that would be awesome.
(I'm looking at you, sassy black girl. And you, fierce gay kid. And even you, wheelchair-bound guy with no personality or memorable lines). #glee
@GeorgeFayne: I still have yet to see him get his own story line. It appears that only the white, able-bodied people get to be the focus of an episode or have actual love interests. #glee
@thesciencegirl: Not to be glib, because I see what you're getting at, but really? We're on the 7th episode and so far have had one episode based around Kurt and Mercedes (and he as her love interest, though I'll admit that the tone of that whole thing fell a little flat), and Kurt's coming out episode. So far, it's been a show with distinct leads, (though I'm glad to see that Mike Chang has actually been getting some lines in the last two episodes) and while I can see why they would set it up that way to sell the show initially, I'm hopeful (and I think that the track record so far plus what I know of Ryan Murphy's style) that it will play out that way.
A lot of the criticism I've heard about #glee is exactly what you've said: that the Asian/black/gay/disabled kid hasn't gotten enough plot lines, and to that I say wait until we're out of the front 13 episodes to get upset about it. At this point, it's basically a show that revolves around two love rhombuses and their members, but I hope (god, I hope, because it's getting a little ridiculous) it gets over it. It's seven hours of tv we're talking about so far, and it's unreasonable to think that it will have covered all its ground equally in that amount of time. I think the casting and the writing has been done in such a way that, given a chance, there will be a lot to work with in the future. But then, I'm feeling pollyannaish this morning.
@GeorgeFayne: I see your points. And I did really like the coming out story (also, "I'm here to audition for the role of kicker!"), but you know, even if they do gradually move away from it, the idea that the initial main characters need to be the white people just gets old. And while Glee is not alone in that realm, it just seems so obvious to me because the casting seems to have been intentionally done such that there are token characters in different demographics. And I keep expecting the show to say something smart about these people, and it hasn't happened yet. The last episode finally addressed the elephant in the room, but it fell flat to me. Did the characters learn anything? The teacher (I'm so terrible with names, I know) mostly spent the episode showing exasperation over the whole issue.
And moreso than screen-time, why are the characterizations such flat stereotypes? (I can see why we have prototypes like the cheerleader and the quarterback, but I don't like the race-based stereotypes). I think I am most annoyed at the treatment of Mercedes. She is a big, sassy black girl, and when they finally let her showcase her voice, it's on songs like "I bust the windows out your car." Now, she sang the heck out of it, but really?
All of that being said, I really enjoy the show and I keep watching it. I just keep hoping that it's even better. I don't think I should have to wait until a certain point in the first season to criticize the show. I'd like to see more tv shows where it isn't based on hooking people through the story of beautiful heterosexual white people, and then gradually letting the others scrabble for a piece of the pie. So, while it is only 7hrs of tv so far, and they can't distribute it all equally, I still have to wonder why we default to putting certain cast members at the front of the line. FWIW, if I didn't like the show, I wouldn't bother to criticize it; I'd just stop watching. #glee
@thesciencegirl: Oh, I don't mean that you specifically need to wait a while for what is valid criticism, what I meant (but didn't say clearly at all) was that the first 13 episodes are already in the can, and they're pretty specifically designed to convince the network that this is a thing worth investing time and money in, and sad as it is, executives like shows with attractive, white leads.
What I'm hoping for is the gradual turning of the stereotypes on their heads. I mean, sure, Kurt can mince with the best of them, but he also SAVED THE FUCKING FOOTBALL TEAM. And what I liked most of all about that is that he didn't have to give up his gayness or his essential Kurtness to do it, in fact, it was his gayness (and making the football team just a little gayer, well, "gayer") that let him save the day, which is awesome. I think that episode was the closest Glee has come to having a Very Special Episode (though I'm sure there will be more to come), and I really liked that they didn't go straight for the maudlin it's-so-hard-to-be-a-gay-kid angle. (And I say this as someone who was a gay kid in her time.) It would have seemed false to me for his dad to be super-duper supportive and join PFLAG right off the bat, but it would have been overly pandering for him to like throw Kurt out of the house or something. Most parents fall in between the two, and I like that they're showing that, I like that his dad is ultimately a good guy, but with some uncomfortable ideas about sexuality.
I've been trying to come up with a way to verbalize the following, but I'm having a hard time with phrasing, so bear with me: I like that the show has been able to make gay jokes (and wheelchair jokes) without laughing at the characters. Artie being carried out while everyone storms out of the auditorium - this could have come off terribly, but it was played as a show of solidarity by people (PUCK!) who were, just 7 episodes earlier, dumping him in a trash can. He's included in lots of choreography, and not in a "look at us, we're including wheelchair kid" way, but just because that's what's done. It's matter-of-fact, and I like that. In Push It, he gets to dry-hump just like everybody, and that's awesome. He might not be a major character, but he is shown to be sexual like the rest of the kids, and hopefully (see spoiler above) we will see more of that later. The show has its problems, to be sure, but ultimately I'm hopeful about it precisely because of how it has handled things that would be terribly mishandled on other shows. Does that make any sense?
I love the show, but I'm nowhere near as invested as this makes me sound, I swear. #glee
A "guilty pleasure" would involve some amount of shame. I, however, am unabashedly in love with that episode of Buffy - especially Anya's theory about bunnies. #glee
Glee has now featured Kristin Chenoweth and Victor Garber, and NOW it's got Joss. If he somehow pulls off a NPH guest-spot (a distant dream, I know) than my head will explode. #glee
@Dodgergirl: I am ashamed to admit... but the Kristen Chenoweth version of "Alone"? That is pure awesome. Yes, my ipod IS full of Glee covers right now. #glee
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Sing it with me..."I died, so many years ago, but you can make me feel, like it isn't so...why you come to be with me, I think I finally know....mmmmmhmmmm....you're scared, afraid of what you feel, but you can't tell the ones you love, you know they couldn't deal, but whispering in a dead man's ear, it doesn't make it real...that's great, but I don't want to play, cos being with you touches me, more than I can say, but since I'm only dead to you, I'm saying stay away...and let me rest in peace...." #glee
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There are so many references I could make right now to show my happiness, but I shall just say maybe Sue Sylvester will sing something along the lines of:
The Evil League of Evil
Is watching so beware
The grade that you receive
Will be your last we swear
So make the Bad Horse gleeful
Or he’ll make you his mare…. #glee
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(I'm looking at you, sassy black girl. And you, fierce gay kid. And even you, wheelchair-bound guy with no personality or memorable lines). #glee
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A lot of the criticism I've heard about #glee is exactly what you've said: that the Asian/black/gay/disabled kid hasn't gotten enough plot lines, and to that I say wait until we're out of the front 13 episodes to get upset about it. At this point, it's basically a show that revolves around two love rhombuses and their members, but I hope (god, I hope, because it's getting a little ridiculous) it gets over it. It's seven hours of tv we're talking about so far, and it's unreasonable to think that it will have covered all its ground equally in that amount of time. I think the casting and the writing has been done in such a way that, given a chance, there will be a lot to work with in the future. But then, I'm feeling pollyannaish this morning.
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And moreso than screen-time, why are the characterizations such flat stereotypes? (I can see why we have prototypes like the cheerleader and the quarterback, but I don't like the race-based stereotypes). I think I am most annoyed at the treatment of Mercedes. She is a big, sassy black girl, and when they finally let her showcase her voice, it's on songs like "I bust the windows out your car." Now, she sang the heck out of it, but really?
All of that being said, I really enjoy the show and I keep watching it. I just keep hoping that it's even better. I don't think I should have to wait until a certain point in the first season to criticize the show. I'd like to see more tv shows where it isn't based on hooking people through the story of beautiful heterosexual white people, and then gradually letting the others scrabble for a piece of the pie. So, while it is only 7hrs of tv so far, and they can't distribute it all equally, I still have to wonder why we default to putting certain cast members at the front of the line. FWIW, if I didn't like the show, I wouldn't bother to criticize it; I'd just stop watching. #glee
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What I'm hoping for is the gradual turning of the stereotypes on their heads. I mean, sure, Kurt can mince with the best of them, but he also SAVED THE FUCKING FOOTBALL TEAM. And what I liked most of all about that is that he didn't have to give up his gayness or his essential Kurtness to do it, in fact, it was his gayness (and making the football team just a little gayer, well, "gayer") that let him save the day, which is awesome. I think that episode was the closest Glee has come to having a Very Special Episode (though I'm sure there will be more to come), and I really liked that they didn't go straight for the maudlin it's-so-hard-to-be-a-gay-kid angle. (And I say this as someone who was a gay kid in her time.) It would have seemed false to me for his dad to be super-duper supportive and join PFLAG right off the bat, but it would have been overly pandering for him to like throw Kurt out of the house or something. Most parents fall in between the two, and I like that they're showing that, I like that his dad is ultimately a good guy, but with some uncomfortable ideas about sexuality.
I've been trying to come up with a way to verbalize the following, but I'm having a hard time with phrasing, so bear with me: I like that the show has been able to make gay jokes (and wheelchair jokes) without laughing at the characters. Artie being carried out while everyone storms out of the auditorium - this could have come off terribly, but it was played as a show of solidarity by people (PUCK!) who were, just 7 episodes earlier, dumping him in a trash can. He's included in lots of choreography, and not in a "look at us, we're including wheelchair kid" way, but just because that's what's done. It's matter-of-fact, and I like that. In Push It, he gets to dry-hump just like everybody, and that's awesome. He might not be a major character, but he is shown to be sexual like the rest of the kids, and hopefully (see spoiler above) we will see more of that later. The show has its problems, to be sure, but ultimately I'm hopeful about it precisely because of how it has handled things that would be terribly mishandled on other shows. Does that make any sense?
I love the show, but I'm nowhere near as invested as this makes me sound, I swear. #glee
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We both sound really invested. :) haha
I also hope to hear a lot more from the Asian female character. #glee
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ME TOO. At least let her quit that shitty fake stutter, because it's beyond irritating.
Now I'm going to go back to constructing my life-size Finn doll. I need more paperclips, and at least 10 lbs of rubber bands. #glee
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*appropriates a random Beyonce song and does a dance routine* #glee
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Hell, I could see him as Will instead of Matthew Morrison (sorry, Matt) #glee
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