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    Image of Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
    11/11/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    You know, as much as I dislike admitting it, Prejean kind of has a point in regards to Obama: irrespective of what we may think he may privately believe, he hasn't actually publicly supported gay marriage. And not doing so for political gain is a veeery cynical move, and say what you will about Prejean, but I personally don't think that she has the capacity for such cynicism.

    This is not to 'endorse' her or 'attack' Obama or whatever (and I actually can't even believe I have to state this as a disclaimer), but a runner-up beauty queen doesn't really have the same power or influence as the POTUS, and that's a very crucial point to make.

    (I kind of totes believe her on the Trump thing, tho. That man is a creeper, through and through!) #carrieprejean
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    11/11/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Yes, Prejean's statement is hardly shocking, but I guess there are a lot of people who want to believe Obama can do no wrong.
    But of course what Prejean wants is to claim that because she has the same bigotry as Obama she must also have some of his good qualities.
    Not so much. #carrieprejean
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    11/11/09

    @Cellotape: Given her political views, I don't think it's too likely that she wants to claim any of his 'qualities,' don't you? #carrieprejean
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    11/11/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Good point! I guess I meant she hopes for some of his popularity. #carrieprejean
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    11/11/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Prejean does not get to call Obama a bigot. Period. I understand the point that she's clumsily trying to make, that Obama doesn't support gay marriage, either, but to compare herself to him is wrong.

    Prejean is a white woman, with all the entitlements and privileges that skin color brings you in this country. Obama is a black man, and thus has faced institutional racism his whole life. Obama is not a bigot for the same reason reverse racism doesn't exist: To practice true bigotry or racism, you have to have the power of the institution behind you.

    Carrie, YOU ARE A BIGOT. Now what are you going to do about it? I suggest stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com as a launching pad to your shiny new life as a former beauty queen who tours the country explaining your own white privilege and how you overcame it just enough to keep your nose, and your votes, out of gay people's love lives. #carrieprejean
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    11/11/09

    @CoalMineCanary: "To practice true bigotry or racism, you have to have the power of the institution behind you."

    While I agree with you in terms of race and privilege, both Prejean and Obama benefit from being straight and heteronormative, in a country, culture, and legal system that favours that. It is very easy to oppose gay marriage, or say that marriage is for 'a man and a woman only,' when you are never going to face the repercussions of this statement.

    And given that this particular issue is about the rights of LGBT, I think it is important to not let this important distinction fall by the wayside. #carrieprejean
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    12:11 PM

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: You are absolutely correct. Being heterosexual is a huge leg up for both of them. If Obama was gay, he would not be president, even if he was also white.

    I didn't mean to overlook this critical distinction; I wanted to point out that Prejean cannot compare herself to someone with whom she has no shared experience, i.e. being black in America. The fallacy of her statement, "If that makes me a bigot, so is Barack Obama" is that it's overly simplistic, ignoring the American context of race and heteronormalcy.

    I'm deeply disappointed that Obama hasn't taken more of a stand on gay rights, but ultimately I consider Prejean to be a bigot, not Obama, for the reasons stated here and in my earlier comment. #carrieprejean
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    11/11/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    "legally recognized sacrament"

    see, when you put it this way it just sounds plain ol' unconstitutional. #carrieprejean
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    11/11/09

    I don't even understand marriage's place in the Constitution anyway, if there is to be no establishment of religion.

    I am of the idea that the government shouldn't really get involved in marriage AT ALL...other than a marriage certificate being considered as legal proof for hospital visitation and the like. CIVIL UNIONS, from gay and straight couples, should be legally recognized. Marriage? That should be up to whatever church or organization marries you. If, say, civil unions were legal for anyone, but the Catholic church decided not to marry gays, fine. They can be a private institution. But the government has to marry anybody...which then gets into polygamy, which is insane and all, but I'm of the opinion that consenting adults can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anybody else. *whew*
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    11/11/09

    @first man: But civil unions ARE legal for everyone, aren't they? (Well, in the states where they actually have them, of course) #carrieprejean
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    11/11/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Not everywhere, no, not by a long shot. And in a lot of places where they are, they do not carry all the same benefits of marriage. But I think first man meant that no one should get "legally married." We should all, gay and straight, get "legally civil unioned" and then "religiously married", if we so choose. I am a straight, married, Christian woman and I absolutely agree. I think it would be much clearer if the government got out of the marriage business altogether. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Remember The Time
    If I had this I would just swivel constantly like I do on bar stools and such. That's probably not the best thing to do behind the wheel. #desoto
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    Oh, Carrie please go diddle yourself into pseudo-celebrity oblivion. I've grown tired of you. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    I want to hurt everyone who somehow thinks "marriage" is only a sacrament. Sorry, assholes, if you don't want gays getting married in your Church, great. Why the fuck don't they come out against heteros married by judges or other non-religious officials?

    Am I missing something? Why exactly can they still claim "marriage" as something that belongs to them, exclusively?

    @Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: Seconded. She's as boring and stupid as every other cretin who makes themselves famous by being pretty (or plastic...Speidi?) on the outside, REALLY stupid on the inside, but all I can think when I see her (or Sarah Palin) is, "Fuck off, little girl. Go away, go away, go away." #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    Spoiler alert. Some of us are only on Season 2 of Mad Men.

    Of course, I kid. It would have been so easy for me to not read it. It was just too tempting! #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @kookla: DAMMMMMMIT. Too late! Your warning was the first thing I read after reading the first line of that item. Boo. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    "I believed then and I believe now that marriage should be a legally recognized sacrament between a man and a woman. If that makes me a bigot, so is Barack Obama."

    whoa whoa whoa, miss prejean back the truck up. legally recognized sacrament? sacrament = church, legal = state. never the twain shall meet. theres that pesky little thing called the first amendment of the us constitution.

    although i agree with the second part of her statement (i cant believe i just wrote that). obama has a virtually identical position on gay marriage. just because he doesn't sound the moral panic alarm or scream at the hysterical pitch of miss prejean, he has no intention of repealing doma in the near future and has defended marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. its not so simple as a red state/blue state division. there are plenty of anti-gay rights democrats. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @KATE!: Geez, I hate to be put in a position where I have to say Prejean is spot on...so I'll comment here & say that YOU are spot on. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @mordicai: Also, marriage is only a sacrament for Catholics and Orthodox Christians. Perhaps Prejean is Catholic, but she has been speaking at mainly fundamentalist Christian churches. It would be really disappointing if, in addition to being being bigoted, she was basing her beliefs on mistaken interpretation of Church doctrine. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @KATE!: Thanks for saying this. She might be much stupider than Obama, but they do have pretty much the same stance on gay marriage and of the two of them, he's the one who actually has the power to make some changes. So, you know, all the outrage at her saying they have the same position is kind of ridick. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Remember The Time
    DeSoto must've had fortune tellers for engineers, making a Britney proof car before she was even born. #desoto
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    Carrie Prejean is just like Barack Obama, except Barack Obama doesn't have fake tits or a masturbation tape. And he doesn't refuse to show up for work and get fired for sucking. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @morninggloria: That you know of....I doubt he does, but as my physic teacher in HS was fond of saying "the absence of proof is not proof of absence". #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @whats_in_a_name: See Glenn Beck and how he raped and murdered that poor girl back in 1990. Why won't he show the evidence that proves his innocence?! #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @mfnher: You're using the fictional raping of a young girl as political fun? That's fucked up. Rape isn't generic violence like drunk driving or murder. It's gender violence, overwhelmingly misogynistic.

    There are a slew of ways to go after Glen Beck without pushing the tired idea that it's fine to push misogynistic violence as entertainment or to score cheap points. It just trivializes it. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @Andalucía: The heinous nature of the crime is kind of the whole point of the meme. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    Obama's bigotry doesn't make your bigotry okay, Carrie. As my mom is fond of saying, "We're not talking about him; we're talking about you." #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @wtfox?!: Exactly.

    Carrie: "I'm a bigot, but so is the President."

    That means that you are still a bigot, Carrie! #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: By her logic, you can call her a bigot as long as you acknowledge that he is too.

    Basically, she's calling progressives out for giving him a pass, even as they hate her for having the same belief about what the legal definition of marriage should be.
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    11/10/09

    @Hana Maru: Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with her (or you apparently). Obama's policy approach to gay rights is appalling, and he's got a very limited time before I stop waiting on him to rise above.

    I was agreeing with wtfox?! that she can't deflect her own bigotry just by saying the president agrees with her. That just means they're both bigots. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    I can't stand the woman, but she has a point. Obama's stated views on the subject are the same as her own. So if your reason for calling her a bigot, then Obama, by your standards is a bigot too.

    If, like me, you believe that he really does suppot gay marriage but denies it for political purposes, then he is a liar.

    I choose liar Obama over bigot Obama, but I will say this. If he goes 8 years without coming out and supporting gay marriage, then I will call him a bigot. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @ArgusRun: well said. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @ArgusRun: honestly, i'd rather obama be a bigot than a liar. if he is a bigot, he can be educated/persuaded and change his view. but if he is a liar...well there is no real reason to believe that he will ever do heed his ethical duty. if he is remains silent/inactive because of political opposition, it may never be the "right time" for equality. in my opinion liar and coward are interchangeable in this instance. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    8 years. Not 11 months, exactly. Because, in the last 29 years we have had 20 years of Republican presidents who rammed the idea (and in fact ran on it) that homosexuals are evil (and under one president in particular that homosexuals spread a "gay plague") This is a president who is actively working to make gay members in our society, members OF our society. I would love, and I mean LOVE for him to snap his fingers and have gay marriage legalized. But right now with the D.O.M.A. laws that are federal, and states waffling by the off-year vote-I would be happy just to get a foot in the door toward same sex equality by legalizing same sex couple adoption in all 50 states and then work from there. This piecemeal legislation is good in theory but the nullification is the pits. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Remember The Time
    No need to wrap it up, I'll take the whole thing as it is. #desoto
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Prejean: "If I'm A Bigot So Is Obama"; Don And Betty's Future Revealed
    I'm interested that apparently Trump agrees that there are less attractive Miss USA contestants. Isn't "outrageously attractive" kind of a universal attribute among those women? #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @yvanehtnioj: You mean pageant contestants are judged on their looks? Did I stick my finger in a light socket? Because I'm literally shocked. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @yvanehtnioj: it very much depends on what your definition of attractive is. #carrieprejean
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    11/10/09

    @CherriSpryte: Well sure, but this is Trump we're talking about here. Excessive makeup, hair dye, surgical alterations and all that other baggage seems to be his cuppa. #carrieprejean
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Beyoncé Has Baby Plans; Rob Pattinson Is Not Romantic
    "Oh, KK. I'm so over the Red Carpet being pregnant too! I mean, is it in it's eighteenth trimester or something? The thing has been preggers forevs! Like, WTF and junk. I wonder if when it gives birth, the baby will be an Oriental Throw Rug? Cuz I totes need one for my liberry at the 'Bu Beach House. L8TRS!" #beyoncebabyplans
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Beyoncé Has Baby Plans; Rob Pattinson Is Not Romantic
    How is it so many Jezebel readers are just now noticing the Jesus/Madonna thing? #beyoncebabyplans
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Beyoncé Has Baby Plans; Rob Pattinson Is Not Romantic
    I wonder if I can make a plea to Jamie and Martin to PLEASE. NOT. DO. THIS. I'm truly weary of the massacre on the black female image by black men. It's so very old. And it's so very painful. #beyoncebabyplans
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