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    Image of RainbowBrite RainbowBrite
    11/22/09

    In reply to Senate Votes To Move Health Care Bill Forward
    Hey guys, I really think I'm going to call my senators next week and tell them not to support any legislation that further restricts women's rights to abortions. The Hyde amendment already guarantees the fed gov't won't pay for abortions (that's something to fight another day...) and further restrictions will only limit women's access to legal reproductive health care.

    I don't know if it'll make a difference or not, but you can be damn sure the people who want to take away our rights are calling their legislators, so I feel a sense of obligation to call mine.
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    Image of BearDownCBears BearDownCBears
    11/21/09

    In reply to Senate Votes To Move Health Care Bill Forward
    Good job, Harry! Two things, though:

    1. I still hate you as a majority leader and hope you lose next year.

    2. Your chamber is still a sham and a joke and a subversion of democracy. We should have a unicameral legislature.

    Have a great weekend!
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    Image of La Chica Lucy La Chica Lucy
    11/21/09

    In reply to Senate Votes To Move Health Care Bill Forward
    Who abstained? I can't find the roll call online.
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    11/21/09

    @La Chica Lucy: Looks like it was George Voinovich of Ohio
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    11/21/09

    @Dodgergirl: Thank you!
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    11/21/09

    In reply to Senate Votes To Move Health Care Bill Forward
    All right - who's taking odds on a minority party filibuster attempt?
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    Image of MmSM MmSM
    11/21/09

    @Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Okay the only idea I have of a fillibuster is from Mr Smith goes to Washington.

    So what is it?
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    11/21/09

    @MmSM: If I hate your bill and I'm a senator, I say I have a question or a comment, and I get up and talk for 20 hours. I read random shit - Tale of Two Cities, the Bible, the periodic table of the elements. I talk about nothing. As long as I don't stop talking, as long as I'm upright behind that podium, there's no way to end my speech without 60 senators voting for cloture. Dig up the West Wing episode "The Stackhouse Filibuster" for a heartwarming object lesson. (It's actually seriously one of my favorite episodes, primarily due to the last ten or so minutes.)

    ETA: The point of the filibuster is to force the group/party in favor of the law to gather 60 votes (which is what's required for cloture) rather than 51 (which is what's required to actually pass the bill). You can't vote on the bill until debate on it is concluded, and concluding debate - cloture - requires 60 votes.
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    Edited by Penny_Esq at 11/21/09 10:37 PM Penny_Esq was starred Penny_Esq was unstarred
    Image of MmSM MmSM
    11/21/09

    @Penny_Esq: And no one can say STFU. Isn't there a law agains this?

    #tips
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    11/21/09

    In reply to Senate Votes To Move Health Care Bill Forward
    Thank G-d.
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    11/21/09

    In reply to Senate Votes To Move Health Care Bill Forward
    You fuckers behaved like a majority should behave. I'm not going to clap for you or give you a gold star. Go back to work.
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    11/21/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: WORD.
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    11/21/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: Tell it. About fuckin time!
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    11/21/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: Heh. You better work.
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    Image of Triana Orpheus Triana Orpheus
    11/21/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: Hell yes! Do the fucking job you were elected to do.
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    11/21/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: This needs to be in an all caps headline somewhere. Fucking yes!
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    11/21/09

    @Lysergic Asset: I wish the NY Times could use the F word. 'Cause I bet they would!

    #tips
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    11/21/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: Again, fantastically outspoken. From your keyboard to the Dems' hearts and minds, hopefully.

    #tips
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    11/21/09

    In reply to Senate Votes To Move Health Care Bill Forward
    As they damn well should have. Thank goodness.
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    11/21/09

    In reply to Senator Landrieu She'll Vote To Push Health Care Bill Forward
    YAY 60!
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    Image of Dodgergirl Dodgergirl
    11/21/09

    In reply to Senator Landrieu She'll Vote To Push Health Care Bill Forward
    The fact that a Democrat voting to allow a Democratic-backed health care bill to be debated is news is so fucking depressing. This calls for more coffee.
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    11/21/09

    @Dodgergirl: Agreed. Though it is Landrieu-- Louisiana.

    I really don't like this woman, but if she'll vote yes on health care...I guess she deserves a nod of appreciation.
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    Image of msmoneypenny msmoneypenny
    11/21/09

    @Dodgergirl: More coffee + tequila + dark chocolate + light whipped cream.

    At least Sen Landrieu is throwing us this bone. Her constituents are fairly conservative. Glad she won't be holding it up in committee.

    The Blue Dogs could have held up the bill in committee in the House and not even let it come up for a vote on the floor. In a way, they helped get it done, but I'd have preferred them to vote in favor of the bill.
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    11/21/09

    @msmoneypenny: I get so angry whenever I hear about Blue Dogs. Newsflash, Blue Dogs-- if your party is just a recapitulation of the Boll Weevils, a party that came together so Democrats could still be huge racists, then you are DOING IT WRONG.

    I would a hundred times rather vote for a socially liberal but fiscally conservative "Republican" before I voted for a socially conservative but fiscally liberal "Democrat." Economics we can debate-- civil rights, we can't.
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    11/21/09

    @mordicai: Ugh, blue dogs are horrible. One of my representatives is a blue dog, but if we didn't have him we'd have an even more socially conservative republican. It's really frustrating and it's one of the reasons I can't see myself living where I grew up.
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    11/21/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: Yes. Landrieu is about as conservative a democrat as one can find. And she totally screwed Louisiana countless times over. Grrr.
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    11/21/09

    @fluxus flucker: And yet the voters forget. It runs in her family.
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    Image of TheTruffle TheTruffle
    11/21/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: I'm confused. Are Louisianans really dead set against health care reform? Or is Landrieu in the pocket of the insurance industry.
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    11/21/09

    @TheTruffle: Most of Louisiana is very conservative. And Landrieu? She's just plain corrupt. So both, is the answer, I guess.
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    11/08/09

    In reply to House Passes Health Care Reform Bill
    does anyone know if this bill includes the opt-out option? #healthcarereform
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    Image of PrincessOfPower PrincessOfPower
    11/08/09

    In reply to House Passes Health Care Reform Bill
    unfortunately the only reason this passed is because of severe restrictions on abortion coverage. [www.nytimes.com] #healthcarereform
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/08/09

    In reply to House Passes Health Care Reform Bill
    call your rep automagically for free [tools.advomatic.com] #healthcarereform
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    Image of PaintedTrollop PaintedTrollop
    11/08/09

    In reply to House Passes Health Care Reform Bill
    Sorry people. This is watered down crap, windfall profits for insurance companies, and women being sold down the river by the Democratic Party. #healthcarereform
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    11/08/09

    @PaintedTrollop: Yeah, I agree, and I am a loyal Democrat. I'm deeply disappointed.

    The idea was to create a government-run system that would give everyone access to doctors and hospitals. It wasn't to make a law that people who can't afford to buy health insurance must buy health insurance.

    That's like solving the homeless problem by forcing every homeless person to buy a home.

    Fail. #healthcarereform
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    11/08/09

    @ihateyourescalade: That's a great analogy - it really sums it up. I hope you won't object to me appropriating it from time to time. #healthcarereform
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    11/08/09

    @PaintedTrollop: By all means, appropriate when necessary.
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    11/08/09

    In reply to House Passes Health Care Reform Bill
    OK you guys, we are totally close. Now the senate fight begins. I'm not trying to spam here, but if you want to donate to the cause for people knocking on doors and working phone banks to get healthcare passed you can go here.

    You can seriously give as little as $5. That's less than a burrito.

    [donate.barackobama.com]
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    Cafezinha promoted this comment Edited by madelyn at 11/08/09 7:45 AM madelyn was starred madelyn was unstarred
    Image of Vulcan Has No Moon Vulcan Has No Moon
    11/08/09

    @madelyn: Why would we donate to Barack Obama? We should be donating to Planned Parenthood instead....and writing our Representatives in Congress why they and their party aren't going to get a donation from us any time soon. #healthcarereform
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    Image of Dancingfrog Dancingfrog
    11/08/09

    In reply to House Passes Health Care Reform Bill
    America has finally almost kind of caught up to 1930's Canada and UK. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's just the hard truth. And there are countries that have had versions of partial and even full universal care for longer than that.

    I mean, I realize that this is a much harder sell in the USA due to a much larger populations than other countries that had UHC earlier. And I realize that in the USA the concept of "socialism" was perverted by political leaders into something bad, when in fact, democratic republics and democracies currently using some socialist programs are, well, doing quite nicely. No Big Brothers. No Animal Farms. NoWin-win for all!

    This is a great step in American history. Yes, everyone has had to compromise, but every country had a rough road to full UHC coverage. I think Pres. Obama has done the best he could with the opposition he is facing in this situation. It's too bad that so many Democrats, even, are unable to look at the cold, hard facts of UHC and realize how it provides timely, high quality care for all, no matter if they are CEO's or purposely jobless drifters. But it's an amazing first step, and that really can't be denied. And it is just a first step, but eventually, more great steps will come and fill in the program, or at least is what will happen if history repeats itself once again.
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